I think AMD will readily admit this is a source of a lot of the IPC gains. It's in the realm of why not territory when you can have this much cache, 8 cores, and still only be 70mm^2. It's a different equation for consoles, particularly when a 5-10% hit isn't that big compared to the huge uplift compared to Jaguar.
No. Pretty much nothing can replace/mitigate a cache miss that isn't on-die.
Unrelated. Cache is about having a small amount of instructions and data close to the CPU so it can grab it repeatedly and quickly as opposed to the CPU having to reach out to the relatively slow RAM. The SSD will help move large amounts of data into the relatively slow RAM that the cache helps the CPU avoid.
Some mentioned that Flute was updated with 32mb, that's why I was confused
Ryzen 3000 laptops are based on Zen+. Mobile Zen 2 hasn't released yet, but they'll be using the same chiplet. It's reasonable to expect most SKUs will have full cache.
I think at this point we'll have to wait to know for sure.
Well, I am confused as well. And I don't see how you could restrict CPU L3 cache in a standard online test. I think the 32MB L3 info could be an honest mistake of the German site when he made his table.
I think there may actually be a benchmark for 32mb, but that is odd.
Part of that "CGI look" can be actually achieved by using RT. Not full RT effects, but by using RT in order to fix artifacts in effects like depth of field in order to get a "CGI look".
Zen 2 laptop CPUs don't exist yet, but the desktop parts have 32MB in the 6 and 8 core CPUs and 64MB for the 12 and 16 core CPUs.
Agree, try to play modern game with something like jaguar 1.6ghz ;d
GDDR6 will help a bit, Ryzen scales very well with faster RAM, if they reduce the cache, this will bridge the gap.
Not exactly, Tablet CPU was more of a meme that PC gamers said about Consoles that is generally accepted as fact now, Jaguar was used in Desktop's too with APU's, it just wasn't very popular, the problem is the architecture itself is just mediocre, not that it's somewhat a Tablet/Notebook focused design.
The best comparison game would be something like Shadow of the Tomb Raider, it has a good DX12 backend that would get closer to Consoles lower level access.
I probably should have said "might" but i feel like 8GB isn't enough.
reminder:
We will probably see motion matching in horizon 2.
Except that we have had official info from MS and Sony already..?
found it - it runs even at 900p and a low/ med/ high mix like Ass .
No, it wasn't lowered. The CPUs inside PS4 (and XB1) are basically two AMD Athlon 5150 low-power desktop CPUs in a single die. You can look up the specs if you want. 5150 is actually a 4-core, 1.6 GHz CPU with 2MB L2 cache, no L3.
It was designed to go inside notebooks or very low-power SFF desktops to handle basic office tasks involving Word, Excel. It competed with Intel's Atom lineup which were also ultra-low-voltage processors for netbooks, etc. In comparison Intel's Pentiums of that era were miles ahead of Atom and AMD's Jaguar.
