The reference card has a Vapor Chamber and it performs worse than the Asus Strix. In clock, in noise and in temps!
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With the way things are looking, if Matt doesn't get here soon to "set things right" like the last time, some folks are gonna be jumping through enough hoops to make a circus jealous.
my entire point is that a 380mm2 Scarlet is going to be MORE powerful than a 9.2 tflops. im not sure how you missed that.
Well see.
Doubt it.
Scarlett being 8TF box not gonna happen.
Some users calculated the size based on GDDR6 Memory size from the Scarlett Reveal.
The 12 GB usable.... I am unsure how to feel about that portion of the rumour. Hopefully, Sony can pull off another PS4 moment and stick another 4GB of usable RAM in there.
So we're getting a ~14TF GCN machine? I'm here for it.
Team $399 vs Team $499 spicing up, I see.
Team $399 vs Team $499 spicing up, I see.
less than 4x the PS3's GPU clock (550Mhz) is not too much guys!
what did he say?
I want to add something more to my Debby Downer Persona:
I think 5700 chips are down binned chips that would be not capable to reach clock speeds of a 5700XT. For me that is the reason you see lower clocks on 5700 in general (reference design & AIB designs).
To put this into a console perspective: This would mean a lot of binning for consoles. The more binning the more cost and the less yield. IMO not a good idea for a console.
My Nostradamus Persona tells me that the #2000MhzBelieversClub is out for a disappointment ...
I think 5700 chips are down binned chips that would be not capable to reach clock speeds of a 5700XT. For me that is the reason you see lower clocks on 5700 in general (reference design & AIB designs).
To put this into a console perspective: This would mean a lot of binning for consoles. The more binning the more cost and the less yield. IMO not a good idea for a console.
My Nostradamus Persona tells me that the #2000MhzBelieversClub is out for a disappointment ...
I am using 1755Mhz cause that is AMDs advertised "game clock" for their 5700XT GPU. Which is said to be the clock people should be expecting most times with that card.
Well, if Scar has 44CU usable @1755Mhz that would make it sit at 9.8TF to the PS5s 9.2TF. I can even at that point see MS pushing for ~1800Mhz to hit 10TF. Or its 40CU @ 175Mhz which yields 8.9TF in which case I can also see MS pushing for 1800Mhz to land at 9.2TF too.
Either way whatever the case there isn't going to be a lot between the two.
I mean, they could both end up really close with PS5 having a slight edge. PS5 ending up stronger (or vice versa) doesn't have to mean the other will be that much weaker.
I presume the binning improves as the manufacturing process matures? Or no?
If Ariel is indeed 2GHZ, that bodes well for next year's desktop Navi.
That means we'll have 64CU desktop parts with 2.2ghz base, and 2.4ghz boost next year. ~19TF.
Desktop parts are always clocked at least 10% faster than the console ones.
AMD is back?
That means we'll have 64CU desktop parts with 2.2ghz base, and 2.4ghz boost next year. ~19TF.
Desktop parts are always clocked at least 10% faster than the console ones.
AMD is back?
The arguments based on the die size of a flimsy cg mock up seem flimsy at best...Can't believer you are putting so much emphasis on that. That is literally grasping at straws.
Don't ask me, but yields should improve. If quality of the chips improve too I do not know.
Can't be. 9TF GCN is crushed by the GTX 1080. Even 12TF Vega 64 loses to the GTX 1080 at times.
Let's put this one to rest. In a tweet, Reiner clarified that what he is hearing is that ps5 was stronger not based on devkits but the TARGETS each one set. So apparently the target for Sony was higher than ms
GTX 1080 level of performance in late 2020 is disappointing asf!
Oh?
You said Sony can also change clocks? Implying that the ps5 could grow in power just as much as scarlett could.
How can you doubt when people have already even settled the price 😂
It's going to be interesting seeing the different approaches, but after reading Colbert's posts that you need an iceberg and a tornado to cool Navi at high temps is starting to make me think 2000mhz is bullshit.
Yes.
That's not the problem.
The problem is... Why @60mm2+ bigger than PS5?
No L3 Cache is this size.
More Raytracing?
More CPU Cores?
More GPU Cores?
SRAM 2.0?
Can PS5 achieve 2.0GHz with more than 36CU?
All the info's we have don't match.
Or Reiner rumour is totally wrong, or the Komachi info's are totally wrong, or the Scarlett video is totally wrong.
The Scorpio CG was 100% right.
Yes, we know that.
Target and final specs are different things.
We need to know if Microsoft is going with a better Lockhart or Anaconda.
It will be interesting to see how the fuck Sony will cool this thing. I mean, it's not impossible, there are gaming laptops dissipating more than the 220W tops this thing will be putting out, and they do so in cases that are relatively more cramped than your average console.
It's almost like vapor chambers aren't this magical cooling thing.
It's almost like vapor chambers aren't this magical cooling thing.
whats wrong with what i said and what does that have to do with you assuming that i said scarlett < 9.2 tflops.
we have literally seen the ps5 clocks jump from 1 to 1.8 to 2.0 ghz in a matter of six months. i am pretty sure Phil didnt reveal the tflops count because he is looking to do the same. but that doesnt mean cerny has been sitting on his ass this entire time. Reiner said devs told him PS5 is more powerful based on what they know. if you guys are holding out hope that MS will increase the clocks to beat the PS5, great by all means but look at the recent developments and know that Sony could do the same.
Interesting. I do recall the response being from before Navi was officially unveiled. If Oberon turns out to be comparable to GTX 2070 (which is comparable to GTX 1080) then perhaps he is prophetic.
Shame, I can't really stand the guy.
If Scarlet is weaker, there will be meltdowns. The power narrative is something Microsoft is actively courting.
I think Scarlet will be more powerful but this PS5 sounds delicious.
I would say the video that was made to create hype is the odd man out
And 9.2tf with 36CUs should be slighlty better (in most games) than 9.2tf with 40CUs. We need benchs of 5700 OC near 2ghz
It is for sure not the solution to everything when it comes to cooling.
If i remember right sony had a patent on cooling but i can't remember what it was for .
So, Reiner, who talked with devs at E3, is wrong.
Scarlet's SOC is bigger than PS5's SOC? You saw somewhere PS5s SOC size? Like you said: Scarlett WILL BE more powerful for sure".
So, you're right, Reiner is wrong?
You need some really RELIABLE source to kill Reiner's tweet in any way since you directly mentioned him. So, any source on that or proof?
Oh, this is the source :
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Some methods to dissipate heat through a package and a PCB - that is, cooling a chip from both sides. It's pretty crazy shit and the kind of wacky stuff I totally can see Sony pulling.
Team 12.9 tflops (which means mostly me and Xeontech),
It's with great sorrow and regret I am announcing my departure from Team 12.9 tflops. In light of recent events, our crazy 12.9 tflops prediction must be reevaulated and reassessed. 12.9 Tflops at 2.0 Ghz is simply impossible. I can no longer sanction this buffonnery.
Which is why I am now reviving Team 14.2 tflops. 56 CUs at 2.0 Ghz = 14.2 tflops. Recruitement is underway. We are currently accepting all applications regardless of race, gender or platform affiliation*.
All Avatar bets will be honored retroactively.
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It's with great sorrow and regret I am announcing my departure from Team 12.9 tflops. In light of recent events, our crazy 12.9 tflops prediction must be reevaulated and reassessed. 12.9 Tflops at 2.0 Ghz is simply impossible. I can no longer sanction this buffonnery.
Which is why I am now reviving Team 14.2 tflops. 56 CUs at 2.0 Ghz = 14.2 tflops. Recruitement is underway. We are currently accepting all applications regardless of race, gender or platform affiliation*.
All Avatar bets will be honored retroactively.
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Nintendo fans need not apply
This one?
"2019-08-12 Application status is Active"
I don't get what you're saying. If one is targeting higher than the other....it stands to reason that the one with higher target is going to be looking at better tech
Nothing is wrong with what you said, I don't understand how it means you think scarlett is more powerful.
After the reiner news I thought PS5 would be more powerful.
Frankly I don't care which one is more powerful, I will get both eventually, both platforms have game devs that are to good to miss.
I'm getting both PS5 and Scarlett. I don't care which ends up being more powerful, I just want the average baseline of both to be as powerful as possible because that lifts all boats, including PC games. developers can be more ambitious with their visions of gaming.
No.
That't the point.
If the Komachi thing is right, PS5 is 36CU 100%. The only way you can achieve 2.0GHz. Even so, some users don't believe it, like Colbert
They can't clock a console SOC GPU @ 2.0GHz with 44, 48, 52CU, with 36CU the Die size can't be bigger or the same size as @380mm2. So the Scarlett video still valid.
If Reiner is right and Komachi is right, we need to explain why the Scarlett SOC from the video is so big and less powerfull. So the video is fake/wrong?
RX 5700 XT Die Size (40CU): 251mm2
PS5 with 40CU / 4 Disable / 36CU + Zen 2 ( @70mm2 ): @321mm2?
Scarlett SOC from the video: @380mm2?
60mm2 for what? 320-Bit Bus? More CUs? More L3 Cache? More Raytracing?
Same tech, same arch.
One can Target 14TF on paper, the other can Target 12TF on paper.
Will both deliver?
Again, Target and Final Specs are two different things.
Oh for sure, no console will be "weak".
Too many similarities in tech for one console to truly be stronger unless one is priced higher.
CPU should be comparable, still think RAM will be comparable, and the SSD is the only iffy part on how much either company can push out of it.
Also just in general, we have no reason to believe as far as I am aware, that PS5 will have a much smaller SOC than Scarlett. They could be comparable.
Deep breath.
It's a long road ahead to the first DF comparison article.
Same crap how fat X1 has bigger SOC and it's less powerful than PS4. So, surely then 6 years ago images were wrong or fake because bigger SOC means it "must" be more powerful. Same tech, same arc.
I thought so.
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