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Nier: Automata Mafia - To serve mankind... up on a platter via vote.
- Thread starter lokiduck
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The whole post just feels like town, but that Sparks vote is bold to a degree that I don't see scum doing that and I kind of respect it
Big fan of my meta having evolved to the point where i show up late, semi delierious, insult everyone as creatively as i can and am lauded for it.
hey look at it this way, if he really is the doctor then we have the consolation prize of spark role claiming correctly for thr first time ever.
I think in general that post was convincing play by discovery
Lot of depth but all spontaneous, capable of switching modes beween intricate and shallow thoughts with ease, great flow, get the sense that he was really just taking in what he saw and slapping down thoughts as they came, also just... pretty good takes?
Lot of depth but all spontaneous, capable of switching modes beween intricate and shallow thoughts with ease, great flow, get the sense that he was really just taking in what he saw and slapping down thoughts as they came, also just... pretty good takes?
Given I wasn't in the game where Fate was neutral or mafia, I've personally only seen his town games. The game where he was mafia he was much more subdued and calculated but his neutral and town play seemed pretty similar when I was reading them which was a rapid-fire post count and aggressiveness of prodding and questing. His play this game is leaning more towards his mafia game than his town game given he is much more subdued and less spew-heavy than I'm used to seeing. While he did note that he wanted to go for a playstyle change, it still comes off worrisome to me.
Yeah, Stan is really good at making those obvious townie posts which is nice. There's this mix of new ideas and ones that seem decently popular where it just doesn't feel calculated.
Is there a quicker way to check what games players have participated in and what alignment they've rolled? I've been using:
docs.google.com
to look at games I've looked at before but it'd much easier for me to search by player than by game given I haven't played with enough people in here.
Mafia Game Data
Main sheet Player 1,Player 2,Player 3,Player 4,Player 5,Player 6,Player 7,Player 8,Player 9,Player 10,Player 11,Player 12,Player 13,Player 14,Player 15,Player 16,Player 17 Role name,Shadowlord,Grimoire Noir,Hansel,Gretel,Nier,Kaine,Emil,Grimoire Weiss,Yonah,King of Facade,Fyra,Neun,The Fisherma...
to look at games I've looked at before but it'd much easier for me to search by player than by game given I haven't played with enough people in here.
[He/Him] Funky Dude Sparks - UTC-5
[He/Him] Randomless|Ran - UTC-5
[She/Her] Sawneeks|Sneeks - UTC-7
[He/Him] Stantastic|Stan - UTC+12
[He/Him] HPSauce|HP - UTC+1
[He/Him] Maolfunction|Maol - UTC-7
[He/Him] TheChuggernaut|Chugg - UTC-6
[He/Him] Anexanhume|Anex - UTC-4
[She/Her] Ephidel|Ephi - UTC+1
[He/Him] EzekelRAGE - UTC-6
[He/Him] FateShirou|Fate - UTC-9
[She/Her] CheshireCat - UTC-4
[He/Him] Neki - UTC-7
[He/Him] EvilChameleon|EC - UTC-4
[She/Her] Hawthorn - UTC-4
[He/Him] NeonBorealis|Neon - UTC-6
[He/Him] jman1954goat|Jman - UTC-7
[He/Him] Lone_Prodigy|LP - UTC-4
Tiers alphabetical
HP's honorary top tier but can never be too careful with sponged reads
Bottom tier is pure lazy "I don't have any reason to townread these people
[He/Him] Randomless|Ran - UTC-5
[She/Her] Sawneeks|Sneeks - UTC-7
[He/Him] Stantastic|Stan - UTC+12
[He/Him] HPSauce|HP - UTC+1
[He/Him] Maolfunction|Maol - UTC-7
[He/Him] TheChuggernaut|Chugg - UTC-6
[He/Him] Anexanhume|Anex - UTC-4
[She/Her] Ephidel|Ephi - UTC+1
[He/Him] EzekelRAGE - UTC-6
[He/Him] FateShirou|Fate - UTC-9
[She/Her] CheshireCat - UTC-4
[He/Him] Neki - UTC-7
[He/Him] EvilChameleon|EC - UTC-4
[She/Her] Hawthorn - UTC-4
[He/Him] NeonBorealis|Neon - UTC-6
[He/Him] jman1954goat|Jman - UTC-7
[He/Him] Lone_Prodigy|LP - UTC-4
Tiers alphabetical
HP's honorary top tier but can never be too careful with sponged reads
Bottom tier is pure lazy "I don't have any reason to townread these people
I definitely softened the townread I had based on those reasons, definitely don't hold up incredibly well
But like... the claim?
If I was the doctor I wouldn't even try counter claiming someone like Sparks or Blarg given that it'd probably make the town situation worse. So if you want to take his word at face value, sure he could be the doctor but the real doctor would never want to claim against them, nor should they want to.
Neeks or Random I could see being deep wolves, but it would have to be a very good case on them to get me to vote there.
To give proper context rather than just being a spitefull dickhead, Sparks has a long history of misreading his role PM if reading it at all, many a game has been derailed by a spark roleclaim that was either flat out erroneous, repeatedly contradicted itself and did everything it possibly could to render itself as suspect as possible, or apparently entirely made up upon him never having read the role Pm in the first place.
Once I see more of the setup I'll consider this, but unless we get a doctor flip (Or a counterclaim, but please don't do this) I doubt I'm voting here. Seriously, we need to stop trying to murder our doctors
Oh
Okay but the question isn't really "Is he doc" it's "Is he town"
Do you think he claims doc as wolf here?
That being said, yeah I have some doubts about Sparks submitting any commands if he is actually the doctor
i can easily see a scum sparks panicking at the slightest resistance and thinking that fake claiming doctor is a good idea to fix it, esp given how much town voting out the doctor on D1 is a bigly meme here.
Im not asking you to think the same here, your scepticism is more than fair, just saying that iv lived through this too many times lol.
like, the idea that sparks read that hes the doctor, properly internalised that information, and attached enough importance to that function that he felt the need to bring it up even before it was under threat rather than much, much, later is all already the opposite to what id expect from him.
yeah and iv asked him to stop @ing me for no reason more than once but that sure hasnt worked.
Scum Sparks claimed doctor day 1 in my first game here, so I don't think it's completely impossible, but again, just not something I'm planning on going after unless I have a better reason to.
Context was a lot different. In that game it was near EoD and he had way more pressure on him.
You walk back Anex but I'm curious about your thoughts on the former now.
It's an opinion that goes against the grain so far, even if you're expecting someone else to do the legwork for it. Why him specifically?
I'm not voting for you because I'm not voting for anyone yet.
And there is no "still"
I understood why other people were, and it was a decent case made, but Neon's post gave me an accidental kick in the rear because what he was criticising was just, well, you.
I spent a bunch of last game deciding nothing you did looked particularly towny and ultimately town reading you in spite of it, so the actions dissected weren't alignment indicative imo.
But don't have a town read on you yet either, you're quieter than last game and less pushy so you're lacking some drive and oompf. I know you said you were going to play differently, but different play begets different impressions, obviously.
I also think one of your comments towards hp was excessively rude, frankly.
I wouldn't feel particularly bad if you were an end of day train nor particularly opposed to finding myself on it, but I'm not interested in boarding it just yet. I'm still looking around.
I don't actually recall him being neutral 🤔
But he has been hostile and unrepentant about it before, yes.
Because you like us really <3
Well some of us. Probably.
In random other comments I'm having a laugh at Anex's reading test after I pulled one on him before. And
I'm not quite sure how I feel about LP following up his intentional scum roleplay that worked too well by seemingly doing much the same again yet. I don't feel great there, but I'm not sure how much of that is me following versus me thinking.
C4, now you finished your Fate iso I'm curious if you've reconsidered that 'attention to detail' line.
I see a few people besides me were also suspicious of LP, so I'm going to switch my vote there and see if we can't get a train. I do think he's good when town in later days, but he's come off as suspicious right now enough that I'm ready to kill him.
vote: LP/highlight]
interesting discussion, btw, on our community norm of basing votes on more than pure suspicion. I like that we do it this way. I think that unless you make allowances for players individual natures, RL business, etc, mafia can easily turn into an assumption that there's a "right" way to play, to play that way is to be town, and to play less than optimally is to be mafia, when of course what you roll often has nothing to do with how well you present yourself as town.
my own "would vote" list is not a scum list— I don't have many good scum reads so far, I guess LP is one but it's still so light and based on so few posts that I'm second guessing it even as I vote for him. Rather it was a list of people I don't town read and don't have a reason to want to avoid eliminating on D1.
I liked Stan's post, but don't like how quickly people have given him a firm town read based on so little (c4, Chuggs, & sneaks). Yes I do think scum Stan would be so bold with that sparks vote, given that he had a good argument ready for it.
about sparks himself, I was mainly thinking that it wouldn't occur to him to claim doctor if it wasn't something he thought he saw in his role pm. I'd like him to be able to at least submit some heals if he is doc, maybe hoping too much. But hearing that he fake claimed doc d1 in a different game gives me pause. What game? Still wouldn't vote today though.
chuggs is in a tunnel on me, nothing I can say that won't be further proof of guilt in his eyes.
mentioned above, it's not really a scum list. It's who remains after I took off the people I town read or wouldn't want to vote today. I did explain why, I know you don't find it convincing, but at this state it's not about being persuasive it's about getting my thoughts out in the open.
you have a good point about LP tbh. Should have been on my list by then. I was tired & still in the mindset of wanting to keep LP around as a good player, which in retrospect does not make sense given my read.
not following about anex however.
exactly why I would not put you both on my "would vote" list (not a scum list) if I was mafia, bc I would know I would get this response "oh no, you did something that hits my checklist mafia behavior" I know to avoid that checklist as mafia. As town I like to be honest because I care more about catching mafia & making the right moves to get town to a win than I do about performing town play.
vote: LP/highlight]
interesting discussion, btw, on our community norm of basing votes on more than pure suspicion. I like that we do it this way. I think that unless you make allowances for players individual natures, RL business, etc, mafia can easily turn into an assumption that there's a "right" way to play, to play that way is to be town, and to play less than optimally is to be mafia, when of course what you roll often has nothing to do with how well you present yourself as town.
my own "would vote" list is not a scum list— I don't have many good scum reads so far, I guess LP is one but it's still so light and based on so few posts that I'm second guessing it even as I vote for him. Rather it was a list of people I don't town read and don't have a reason to want to avoid eliminating on D1.
I liked Stan's post, but don't like how quickly people have given him a firm town read based on so little (c4, Chuggs, & sneaks). Yes I do think scum Stan would be so bold with that sparks vote, given that he had a good argument ready for it.
about sparks himself, I was mainly thinking that it wouldn't occur to him to claim doctor if it wasn't something he thought he saw in his role pm. I'd like him to be able to at least submit some heals if he is doc, maybe hoping too much. But hearing that he fake claimed doc d1 in a different game gives me pause. What game? Still wouldn't vote today though.
chuggs is in a tunnel on me, nothing I can say that won't be further proof of guilt in his eyes.
mentioned above, it's not really a scum list. It's who remains after I took off the people I town read or wouldn't want to vote today. I did explain why, I know you don't find it convincing, but at this state it's not about being persuasive it's about getting my thoughts out in the open.
you have a good point about LP tbh. Should have been on my list by then. I was tired & still in the mindset of wanting to keep LP around as a good player, which in retrospect does not make sense given my read.
not following about anex however.
exactly why I would not put you both on my "would vote" list (not a scum list) if I was mafia, bc I would know I would get this response "oh no, you did something that hits my checklist mafia behavior" I know to avoid that checklist as mafia. As town I like to be honest because I care more about catching mafia & making the right moves to get town to a win than I do about performing town play.
Here it is in readable format:
I see a few people besides me were also suspicious of LP, so I'm going to switch my vote there and see if we can't get a train. I do think he's good when town in later days, but he's come off as suspicious right now enough that I'm ready to kill him.
vote: LP
interesting discussion, btw, on our community norm of basing votes on more than pure suspicion. I like that we do it this way. I think that unless you make allowances for players individual natures, RL business, etc, mafia can easily turn into an assumption that there's a "right" way to play, to play that way is to be town, and to play less than optimally is to be mafia, when of course what you roll often has nothing to do with how well you present yourself as town.
my own "would vote" list is not a scum list— I don't have many good scum reads so far, I guess LP is one but it's still so light and based on so few posts that I'm second guessing it even as I vote for him. Rather it was a list of people I don't town read and don't have a reason to want to avoid eliminating on D1.
I liked Stan's post, but don't like how quickly people have given him a firm town read based on so little (c4, Chuggs, & sneaks). Yes I do think scum Stan would be so bold with that sparks vote, given that he had a good argument ready for it.
about sparks himself, I was mainly thinking that it wouldn't occur to him to claim doctor if it wasn't something he thought he saw in his role pm. I'd like him to be able to at least submit some heals if he is doc, maybe hoping too much. But hearing that he fake claimed doc d1 in a different game gives me pause. What game? Still wouldn't vote today though.
chuggs is in a tunnel on me, nothing I can say that won't be further proof of guilt in his eyes.
mentioned above, it's not really a scum list. It's who remains after I took off the people I town read or wouldn't want to vote today. I did explain why, I know you don't find it convincing, but at this state it's not about being persuasive it's about getting my thoughts out in the open.
you have a good point about LP tbh. Should have been on my list by then. I was tired & still in the mindset of wanting to keep LP around as a good player, which in retrospect does not make sense given my read.
not following about anex however.
exactly why I would not put you both on my "would vote" list (not a scum list) if I was mafia, bc I would know I would get this response "oh no, you did something that hits my checklist mafia behavior" I know to avoid that checklist as mafia. As town I like to be honest because I care more about catching mafia & making the right moves to get town to a win than I do about performing town play.
I see a few people besides me were also suspicious of LP, so I'm going to switch my vote there and see if we can't get a train. I do think he's good when town in later days, but he's come off as suspicious right now enough that I'm ready to kill him.
vote: LP
interesting discussion, btw, on our community norm of basing votes on more than pure suspicion. I like that we do it this way. I think that unless you make allowances for players individual natures, RL business, etc, mafia can easily turn into an assumption that there's a "right" way to play, to play that way is to be town, and to play less than optimally is to be mafia, when of course what you roll often has nothing to do with how well you present yourself as town.
my own "would vote" list is not a scum list— I don't have many good scum reads so far, I guess LP is one but it's still so light and based on so few posts that I'm second guessing it even as I vote for him. Rather it was a list of people I don't town read and don't have a reason to want to avoid eliminating on D1.
I liked Stan's post, but don't like how quickly people have given him a firm town read based on so little (c4, Chuggs, & sneaks). Yes I do think scum Stan would be so bold with that sparks vote, given that he had a good argument ready for it.
about sparks himself, I was mainly thinking that it wouldn't occur to him to claim doctor if it wasn't something he thought he saw in his role pm. I'd like him to be able to at least submit some heals if he is doc, maybe hoping too much. But hearing that he fake claimed doc d1 in a different game gives me pause. What game? Still wouldn't vote today though.
chuggs is in a tunnel on me, nothing I can say that won't be further proof of guilt in his eyes.
mentioned above, it's not really a scum list. It's who remains after I took off the people I town read or wouldn't want to vote today. I did explain why, I know you don't find it convincing, but at this state it's not about being persuasive it's about getting my thoughts out in the open.
you have a good point about LP tbh. Should have been on my list by then. I was tired & still in the mindset of wanting to keep LP around as a good player, which in retrospect does not make sense given my read.
not following about anex however.
exactly why I would not put you both on my "would vote" list (not a scum list) if I was mafia, bc I would know I would get this response "oh no, you did something that hits my checklist mafia behavior" I know to avoid that checklist as mafia. As town I like to be honest because I care more about catching mafia & making the right moves to get town to a win than I do about performing town play.
Stan.
I don't see the inherent towniness in his posts today that you and chuggs seem to see.
I don't think Sneeks has actually posted since Stan has to be grouped in with them like that.
So you think in this game so far he's tending towards snarky instead of reasonable?
I've been feeling pretty good about him because he's actually been doing visible things, though there are less truffleshuffles than I'd have expected, but I'd have said he leaned towards the latter so far if anything.
Randomless you looked at him tartlet, where do you lean there now?
Feel better about Stan after that opening salvo.
Would definitely vote LP after that milquetoast start.
However, I'm going to start Vote: CheshireCat to start. Of the people who have the highest posts without a vote, she's near the top. Giving a temporary pass to HP for now because I'm interested to see where his farmers' almanacs go.
Would definitely vote LP after that milquetoast start.
However, I'm going to start Vote: CheshireCat to start. Of the people who have the highest posts without a vote, she's near the top. Giving a temporary pass to HP for now because I'm interested to see where his farmers' almanacs go.
yeah this is pretty much it.
Damn you wonderful people.
oh that must be so daunting
Considering it took me an hour to write up on 2 pages of stuff last night yeah it kinda fuckin is.
Yes, allowing you to continue to expend a considerable amount of personal effort with no guarantee on return is quite benevolent, isn't it?
I think if you want to OMGUS vote on me you should just do it lol
I actually do want to see you stick around, all kidding aside. Summaries can be immensely helpful. ISOs are time-consuming and prone to losing context.
Yeah I ain't interested in ISOs. I don't personally get any benefit out of them.
Idk if im tunnelling on you but im p sure scum!haw voted for EC
I could see it now, hawhaw talkign in scum chat on whos the eaiest to misylynch and the names of me, neki, chuggs coming up
I dont really like this turn around by neon
going to note it down, but this seems really fishy to me
then go for it, plenty of people have voiced their desire to vote for me for one reason or another
the less posting, the less aggressive play, etc
contuine window shopping for a potential vote then
morning kiddos-
I am typing this while in a huge conference meeting so apologies if it doesn't make complete sense-
I've been trying to catch up since i went to bed. I'll do a deeper dive at noon when Im at lunch. but first thoughts are: what is FDS doing? I don't get why he role claimed in Post #665 and then no one asked him why he role claimed? He got no push back on that? If he is a doctor and town why wouldn't he protect that info? He just made himself a target, no? Why give out that info on D1, when there are really no hard takes yet. He just threw that out there and then it was kinda ignored at the time because he was being annoying. My first game ppl made a huge deal about role reveals, it was really only done to stop you getting axed. FDS had been saying all the time D1 is nonsense, so why is he acting in a way that might come off as risky?
I also don't get bringing up sorian in Post #678 "There are so many other people to investigate! LITERALLY LOOK AT THAT LIST! HOT CLUSTERFUCK TUNNEL OF NONSENSE with sorian alone"
wat? what list are you referencing? - there isn't a list on that page...i will look for it later
Anex voting for me obviously makes me sus of them. They have been having a hard time this (morning? last night?) and I would want to deflect to! But I can't see any version of game play where I am a valid choice for being voted out day 1. But I'm a safe choice to just park a vote because I'm a loner in this game so far. Maybe you thought I wouldn't hit back? Or that you could start a tunnel on me? You said " I'm going to start Vote: CheshireCat to start. Of the people who have the highest posts without a vote, she's near the top. Giving a temporary pass to HP for now because I'm interested to see where his farmers' almanacs go."
Pretttttty thin reasoning/ I'd rather not vote than just pick a random person an find a reason why i can vote for them
Half the votes of D1 have been payback for previous games, and some are probably from mafia. Either way, finding me sus b/c I haven't voted, seems stupid? it assumes voting is less sus than not voting , which i dont agree with. Different play styles maybe. But if we were ending the day right now, I'd vote you off the island.
I am typing this while in a huge conference meeting so apologies if it doesn't make complete sense-
I've been trying to catch up since i went to bed. I'll do a deeper dive at noon when Im at lunch. but first thoughts are: what is FDS doing? I don't get why he role claimed in Post #665 and then no one asked him why he role claimed? He got no push back on that? If he is a doctor and town why wouldn't he protect that info? He just made himself a target, no? Why give out that info on D1, when there are really no hard takes yet. He just threw that out there and then it was kinda ignored at the time because he was being annoying. My first game ppl made a huge deal about role reveals, it was really only done to stop you getting axed. FDS had been saying all the time D1 is nonsense, so why is he acting in a way that might come off as risky?
I also don't get bringing up sorian in Post #678 "There are so many other people to investigate! LITERALLY LOOK AT THAT LIST! HOT CLUSTERFUCK TUNNEL OF NONSENSE with sorian alone"
wat? what list are you referencing? - there isn't a list on that page...i will look for it later
Anex voting for me obviously makes me sus of them. They have been having a hard time this (morning? last night?) and I would want to deflect to! But I can't see any version of game play where I am a valid choice for being voted out day 1. But I'm a safe choice to just park a vote because I'm a loner in this game so far. Maybe you thought I wouldn't hit back? Or that you could start a tunnel on me? You said " I'm going to start Vote: CheshireCat to start. Of the people who have the highest posts without a vote, she's near the top. Giving a temporary pass to HP for now because I'm interested to see where his farmers' almanacs go."
Pretttttty thin reasoning/ I'd rather not vote than just pick a random person an find a reason why i can vote for them
Half the votes of D1 have been payback for previous games, and some are probably from mafia. Either way, finding me sus b/c I haven't voted, seems stupid? it assumes voting is less sus than not voting , which i dont agree with. Different play styles maybe. But if we were ending the day right now, I'd vote you off the island.
With Stan - I don't remember a post where he said he was busy IRL, and the posts he's made so far haven't been enough for me to make a town read on him. I don't get how everyone else is, but I am meta-less in Seattle over here. I like his reads though. I am learning meta reading his posts so that is nice.
I did agree with him that FDS was being super sketchy though.
I did agree with him that FDS was being super sketchy though.