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Spaghetti

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Dec 2, 2017
2,740
Does Shenmue 3 have a legit release date?
No. 2019 but nothing elaborated beyond that. Japanese VA sessions have been ongoing since April though, plus the rewards fulfilment surveys recently opened with a Sept 30th end date. Might see a release date by the end of 2018.

Silent Hill 2, brother. ;)
At least we can agree the best story of 2001 starts with S and ends with 2.

As expected a shitty port rushed out by SEGA to steal some of Shenmue 3's thunder.
It's ported from source code (not emulated in a wrapper like other Dreamcast re-releases), includes features highly requested by fans like a modern control option and dual VO, has totally new/redone post-processing effects for both games, and save anywhere implemented into the original Shenmue.

Remember the days when fans were begging even for a digital release of a bare-bones emulated version of these games on Xbox Live?

Y'know, for context.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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It's ported from source code (not emulated in a wrapper like other Dreamcast re-releases), includes features highly requested by fans like a modern control option and dual VO, has totally new/redone post-processing effects for both games, and save anywhere implemented into the original Shenmue.

Remember the days when fans were begging even for a digital release of a bare-bones emulated version of these games on Xbox Live?

Y'know, for context.

Modern control option - wait and see, probably just basic D-pad translation.

Dual VO - Cool

Postprocessing effects - So does this explain missing shadows? Hurray?

A few updated texures.

Vs:

Seemingly no upgrades in any other area.

No 60 FPS, 4:3 cutscenes. Yes, both have issues and aren't a simple fix, but we've seen both be possible in limited secutions just through modifying memory addresses.

QOL improvements like skip time in S1.

Some fans have higher expectations for a great series that want it to be shown the respect it deserves. Others just seem to want to take whatever SEGA gives them.
 

krg

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Oct 27, 2017
1,901
Day one physical for sure. Might get it on PC also later down the line if mods start being a thing.
 

Delta_Reg

Member
Nov 13, 2017
106
Modern control option - wait and see, probably just basic D-pad translation.

Dual VO - Cool

Postprocessing effects - So does this explain missing shadows? Hurray?

A few updated texures.

Vs:

Seemingly no upgrades in any other area.

No 60 FPS, 4:3 cutscenes. Yes, both have issues and aren't a simple fix, but we've seen both be possible in limited secutions just through modifying memory addresses.

QOL improvements like skip time in S1.

Some fans have higher expectations for a great series that want it to be shown the respect it deserves. Others just seem to want to take whatever SEGA gives them.
Gotta be honest but I feel like Sega dropped the ball on this one. Even though I'm upset at the lack of certain features I'm still excited to play these games again in HD and in Japanese, and as a Shenmue fan I have to take what Sega gives right now, or just like the last 15 years they won't give anything at all. It is what it is. Fortunately these games are amazing so I'm not gonna feel bad giving them my support, I'll enjoy it. Also at least the Shenmue 2 cutscenes should be in widescreen since they were letterboxed in the original release.
 
Oct 30, 2017
3,150
Modern control option - wait and see, probably just basic D-pad translation.

Dual VO - Cool

Postprocessing effects - So does this explain missing shadows? Hurray?

A few updated texures.

Vs:

Seemingly no upgrades in any other area.

No 60 FPS, 4:3 cutscenes. Yes, both have issues and aren't a simple fix, but we've seen both be possible in limited secutions just through modifying memory addresses.

QOL improvements like skip time in S1.

Some fans have higher expectations for a great series that want it to be shown the respect it deserves. Others just seem to want to take whatever SEGA gives them.
i think it's more a matter of knowing Sega is unwilling to give us anything else. All I can say is buy the Hell out of this and show Sega that they can see the value in doing more for Shenmue.
 

More_Badass

Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,623
Modern control option - wait and see, probably just basic D-pad translation.

Dual VO - Cool

Postprocessing effects - So does this explain missing shadows? Hurray?

A few updated texures.

Vs:

Seemingly no upgrades in any other area.

No 60 FPS, 4:3 cutscenes. Yes, both have issues and aren't a simple fix, but we've seen both be possible in limited secutions just through modifying memory addresses.

QOL improvements like skip time in S1.

Some fans have higher expectations for a great series that want it to be shown the respect it deserves. Others just seem to want to take whatever SEGA gives them.
What kinds of upgrades were you expecting?

And why would being able to skip time be an improvement? That sounds like that would be a pretty big gameplay addition that could change how the game is played (ie why explore and do other stuff while waiting for time to pass when you could just skip the time) so it's very subjective that it would be a QOL thing in the first place or be something that would inherently improve the game

Imagine how differently a game like STALKER would play if you could skip time
 
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Oct 30, 2017
3,150
Compressed audio confirmed. Lots more info in this video. Basically, it's a miracle they got Shenmue to run at all and Sega thought they were taking a huge risk releasing these games again, so we are getting a pretty no frills package.
 

Kyle Cross

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Oct 25, 2017
8,445
Woof, the PC community is none too happy about this. 30fps, 4:3 cutscenes, and Denuvo has them raging.
 

Elfforkusu

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Oct 25, 2017
4,098
As expected a shitty port rushed out by SEGA to steal some of Shenmue 3's thunder.

Any news of the saves transferring over to Shenmue 3? If not, no reason for me to buy.
????

Sega re-releasing 1 and 2 doesn't hurt 3, it helps.

Woof, the PC community is none too happy about this. 30fps, 4:3 cutscenes, and Denuvo has them raging.
Denuvo suuuuuuucks, it's a damn shame they're putting that in here. (if true? This is the first I've seen about it)

The other choices are reasonable, IMO.
 

Rosebud

Two Pieces
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Apr 16, 2018
43,656
$29.99 is so cheap! Thank you Sega.

I will be traveling but will get it day 1 anyway
 
Nov 8, 2017
6,326
Stockholm, Sweden
So has there been any more news about a release date for shenmue 3, or is it still a nebulous "2019"?

Shenmue II has the best story of any game released in 2001, IMO.

Yes I know MGS2 came out in 2001 as well, but Shenmue II doesn't rely on post-modernist headfucks. It's a simple story, well told.

Silent Hill 2, brother. ;)

2001 is a hard year to make any definitive statement about best plot, it was a pretty amazing year with a ton of classics.

I love all three of those games dearly, but the real answer is baldur's gate 2 : throne of bhaal and it's not even close.
 

Delta_Reg

Member
Nov 13, 2017
106
Compressed audio confirmed. Lots more info in this video. Basically, it's a miracle they got Shenmue to run at all and Sega thought they were taking a huge risk releasing these games again, so we are getting a pretty no frills package.

Sega thinks everything is a huge risk, I swear. I guess the positive to that is we're getting these remasters at a good price, anyway.
 
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Schaft0620

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
838
Yakuza 6: CE unopened (waiting for YK2)
Fist Of The North Star (AUG pre-ordered)
Yakuza Kawami 2 (AUG pre-ordered)
Shenmue 2 (Aug pre-ordered)
Spider-Man (September 7th pre-ordered)

Fuck me Sega
 

Lindsay

Member
Nov 4, 2017
3,138
This is much sooner then I expected. With that in mind why couldn't they have gotten it out the door in July? Whatevs, I'm happy ta get to replay 'em!
 

ParsnipForest

Member
Oct 27, 2017
571
Australia
I'm sorry but not buying the game because you demand 60fps, in a game that was built 18 years ago in a 100% bespoke (and highly-complex) engine -- not used for any other game -- and designed from its core to operate at 30fps, is kinda insufferable. This isn't just taking a last-gen game and removing the frame cap, or even tweaking collision calculations to support 60fps. People seem to forget just how cutting-edge (for the time) and complex these games are.

If you're drawing the line at 60fps, you were most likely never going to buy it anyway. You just want an excuse to whinge.
 

ParsnipForest

Member
Oct 27, 2017
571
Australia
On the other hand, I can see how people could have hoped for a little more polish in some other categories. And that DRM is a bitch.

For me, who will be playing on console anyway, the price is definitely right, anyway. It's not that this remaster doesn't look like it could be better– of course it could!– but we're getting it much more quickly than I expected and for cheap. Those things balance out IMO.

Yeah, I could understand if they were asking for $50-60 but at $30 for 2 games, it's really hard to complain about them not rewriting the core of the games from scratch. It's a miracle this is happening in the first place and as a longtime fan, I choose to be thankful and support SEGA in their effort to bring these games back.
 

flipswitch

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,963
Buying physical on PS4 and digital for PC.

Wait, did someone say it is locked to 30fps or is it just a rumour?


I wonder what the post processing is?

Just PP AA?

Trophies/Achievements making it?
 

aspiring

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,545
Yeah, I could understand if they were asking for $50-60 but at $30 for 2 games, it's really hard to complain about them not rewriting the core of the games from scratch. It's a miracle this is happening in the first place and as a longtime fan, I choose to be thankful and support SEGA in their effort to bring these games back.

Yup. They could have been rebuilt from scratch 4K 60FPS HDR and the same people would complain they dont look like the originals. Its a Shenmue thread.

Like someone said if the fact that they are not 60fps makes ypu skip you probably were not going to buy anyway and are here to just complain.
 

thezboson

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,251
I remember reading about Shenmue in game magazines, it looked so amazing. I could never afford a Dreamcast though.
Now, this just looks dated and weird and I am not at all sure I will enjoy this, but I will certainly get the game day 1 anyway.
 

60fps

Banned
Dec 18, 2017
3,492
Ok since it is confirmed to run in 30fps this will be an easy pass for me. Outdated graphics, audio, probably controls and everything else, paired with 30fps?

Easy decision.

I can only see super-nostalgic people enjoying this.
 

Spaghetti

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Dec 2, 2017
2,740
I'm sorry but not buying the game because you demand 60fps, in a game that was built 18 years ago in a 100% bespoke (and highly-complex) engine -- not used for any other game -- and designed from its core to operate at 30fps, is kinda insufferable. This isn't just taking a last-gen game and removing the frame cap, or even tweaking collision calculations to support 60fps. People seem to forget just how cutting-edge (for the time) and complex these games are.

If you're drawing the line at 60fps, you were most likely never going to buy it anyway. You just want an excuse to whinge.
This guy gets it. People beating the "WAH IT'S EASY" drum are tech illiterates and conveniently ignoring there's been no real way to make it work even through hacking, let alone how many times we've been told by SEGA, D3T, and even anecdotally through Adam Koralik how big an effort it was to port from source in the first place.

It borders on entitlement, really.

Let's face it, you were never going to buy it anyway. Goodbye.
They were already on my ignore list, probably for shit posting in another Shenmue thread, so it's no big surprise people like them crawl out of the woodwork because they absolutely have to let us know they're so displeased they won't buy it, when they likely had zero aspiration to in the fucking first place.

Can you imagine what a mess this forum would be if every member had the pomposity to declare when they wouldn't buy a game? Fucking egotists.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Woof, the PC community is none too happy about this. 30fps, 4:3 cutscenes, and Denuvo has them raging.
First I'm hearing of Denuvo. Deal breaker if true (at least less compressed audio could possibly be modded in from the Xbox version for 2, Denuvo can only be circumvented-kind of -- and still get pirated). :(

Given their past few releases, am I right in thinking it's going to be in every SEGA PC release from now on?
 
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KiNolin

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Oct 28, 2017
1,296
This is why I don't begrudge Sega or any publisher for not focusing on PC releases. "Why are they not bringing the game to PC, they are so stupid"
*ports the game*
"oh my gawd, this can't even compare with a Rockstar port, lazy developers, gonna pirate, trolololol".
 

Spaghetti

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Dec 2, 2017
2,740
First I'm hearing of Denuvo. Deal breaker if true (at least less compressed audio could possibly be modded in from the DC versions, Denuvo can only be circumvented-kind of -- and still get pirated). :(

Given their past few releases, am I right in thinking it's going to be in every SEGA PC release from now on?
The audio in this collection is the same as the DC version, there's nothing to mod in.

Is Denuvo a reaaaaaally deal breaker, though?

So currently on the Steam forums for this game there is someone whining about SEGA treating paying customers like pirates by including Denuvo. Some brave soul decided to rake this user's posting history to find... admissions of pirating games. There's a lot of projection and propaganda when it comes to Denuvo.
 

GhostTrick

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Oct 25, 2017
11,329
The audio in this collection is the same as the DC version, there's nothing to mod in.

Is Denuvo a reaaaaaally deal breaker, though?

So currently on the Steam forums for this game there is someone whining about SEGA treating paying customers like pirates by including Denuvo. Some brave soul decided to rake this user's posting history to find... admissions of pirating games. There's a lot of projection and propaganda when it comes to Denuvo.



It's not a deal breaker but it's still shit for years to come and might become a hurdle.
 

Spaghetti

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Dec 2, 2017
2,740
It's not a deal breaker but it's still shit for years to come and might become a hurdle.
Might is the key word here. Denuvo is not going to shut up shop tomorrow, and publishers aren't going to leave money on the table abandoning games that have proven evergreen sales by not bothering to patch out DRM when it becomes somehow defunct.

Yes it's asking for some amount of faith in SEGA doing the right thing if Denuvo ever goes under or is abandoned, but these aren't the SecuROM days anymore.
 

ianpm31

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Oct 27, 2017
6,529
It's been 18 years of never giving up on Shenmue and every year asking Sega to throw the Shenmue fans a bone. I remember the days Sega would not even mention the word Shenmue. Now they finally give us something so we can show them that there is a base for this series (also for Shenmue 3) yet some posters are passing because of technical issues. Maybe they were never interested because if they only knew what it took to get here.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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The audio in this collection is the same as the DC version, there's nothing to mod in.

Is Denuvo a reaaaaaally deal breaker, though?

So currently on the Steam forums for this game there is someone whining about SEGA treating paying customers like pirates by including Denuvo. Some brave soul decided to rake this user's posting history to find... admissions of pirating games. There's a lot of projection and propaganda when it comes to Denuvo.
Edited, meant Xbox (heard the port of 2 on it had less compressed audio -- my mistake if that's not the case -- also misremembered that it's only for 2).

Yep. They've pulled a Ubisoft and re-released a game a stolen crack before. I really can't take a leap of faith to trust SEGA to patch out DRM.

It's at least more disappointment in them as a PC pub.

I'll probably end up getting this physical on another platform, so I guess I play myself in the end anyway. :(
 

Maxi

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Oct 25, 2017
283
So glad it's finally coming to PC and seeing a re release.

Shame it is missing remastered features such as mass texture rework, audio improvements, engine fixes and higher framerate. Hopefully it is something Sega might invest in for a year or two down the line if demand is shown.

I bet finding the source for the Dreamcast games and dealing with that bespoke engine is already a mammoth task!
 

Jazzem

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Feb 2, 2018
2,686
The denuvo is bizarre given how quickly it was cracked on Sonic Mania's release, from an outsider's perspective it doesn't seem worth the bad PR given its ineffectiveness
 
Oct 28, 2017
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The denuvo is bizarre given how quickly it was cracked on Sonic Mania's release, from an outsider's perspective it doesn't seem worth the bad PR given its ineffectiveness
I think that was after about week (though there was also a more limited circumvention for some who bought the game). So I guess that's considered a success for them? Though the game still using it is bs and I agree otherwise though.
 

AuthenticM

Son Altesse Sérénissime
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
30,140
they are letterboxing the cutscenes? Really? Why are there still people who think that losing visual information is somehow acceptable.
 

Bowl0l

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Oct 27, 2017
4,608
I'm going to order both Steam and PS4 copies.
Then I will spend my time creating thread in Steam to profess my love for Denuvo.
 

Huey

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Oct 27, 2017
13,229
What a weird thread. I suppose it was inevitable that some of that "Year of Dreams" positivity would become co-mingled with negativity closer to release, not unlike with TLG. But i'm pretty skeptical that those of you bowing out for no 60fps etc are the same crowd of us who bought a dreamcast for the first game, who were there at Christmas 1999 experiencing it, and who had to import the second game if you lived in NA (remember that game never got an NA DC release). I've literally been waiting 17 years for this series to get some recognition.

To me, supporting this work is about two things:
- Supporting a landmark series previously lost to time. All I've wanted all these years is a 1:1 conversion of the originals, so to be able to play these in widescreen with improved textures and Japanese audio is a dream come true. I literally can't understand what people are talking about when they say there are no improvements, especially at 29.99 USD
- Supporting Sega exploring their backlog. I really, really... really... want to make this financially successful for Sega. There is so much in Sega's staple that is so worthwhile exploring for releases like this - Panzer Dragoon, Skies of Arcadia, Virtua Fighter etc - and I'm really hoping this signals a shift in their recognition of that.

I realize this is and will always be a technically minded community, and it's not wrong to ask for improvements, but you also always have to consider the context you're asking in.

they are letterboxing the cutscenes? Really? Why are there still people who think that losing visual information is somehow acceptable.

Not sure if serious - the original game was 4:3, so that's why the cutscenes are as well, Sega has said (as has been noted in this thread) that they have no assets for widescreen cutscenes. It's the main game that's been converted to 16:9.