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Rikster

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All this time I thought Mario Kart Double Dash was good, recently played with friends, yeah game isn't so good after all. Mario Kart 8 on the other hand... amazing
 

Sledge

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Oct 28, 2017
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3D Mario series is more consistently great than Mario Kart. 3D Mario titles have been consistently great with some good titles thrown in.

MK is consistently good with a few great titles as others have said.

Also MK Wii was a mediocre entry at best.
 

DustyVonErich

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Oct 31, 2017
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MK64 is still my favorite one.

And Battle mode was fun af, especially when drinking with friends.

I'd say Soulsborne and Metal Gear Solid games are consistently good to great as well.

FF was in that category once, but the series dipped in quality after XII to me.

God of War games are up there as well. Even the psp titles are great.
 

callamp

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Oct 27, 2017
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The series is consistently good but I'm not sure it's ever been particularly great. Even within the racing genre, a series such as Forza Horizon is every bit as consistent, while peaking much higher.
 

Rapscallion

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Oct 25, 2017
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The only Mario Kart I didn't care for was the Wii title. Something about it just didn't click with me. I think 8 might be the best in the franchise, with Double Dash being the most unique.

Would consider (mainline) Zelda the most consistent franchise out there though.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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That's a hot take if i ever see one


But you know what, pure facts. Now that i think about it doesn't matter the number or spin off you always enjoy playing them
 
Nov 13, 2017
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Series that are more consistently great than Mario Kart:
- Soulsborne
- Bayonetta
- Smash Bros

Bayonetta has 2 games (and the first one is pretty bad imo).

Soulsborne, apart from the first half of Dark Souls 1, didn't do anything for me.

Smash I can agree with for sure. Got better with each entry. Smash 4 is the pinnacle of fighting games.

3D Mario is up there as well - Super Mario Odyssey/3D World/Galaxy 1+2 are all stellar titles. Sunshine/64/3D Land are pretty good too.
 

RM8

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Oct 28, 2017
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It's true and it's part of why it's such a huge seller. What's a bad Mario Kart game? 64 or Wii, maybe, and those are still not downright bad games. And it's just remarkable how even Super Mario Kart is still very fun and playable despite being a 2D racing game on SNES.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Mario Kart is mostly a good answer. At the very least it's consistently good, and it's definitely more highs than lows.

I'd throw my money behind Shinobi as a good example, but it's admittedly dragged down by 2 or 3 titles that aren't really up to par with the rest of the series.

IMO Super Circuit just didn't control super well

The GBA one controls the worst out of all the games for me. It's clearly a step below every other entry in the series.

While I generally agree Super Circuit has some odd controls even compared to the original, I'd recommend playing with Peach or Toad to have some semblance of normalcy and decent control. I think another weird aspect of Super Circuit that the original trumps it in was deciding to make item boxes "3D" objects compared to ground textures, making it really easy to misjudge their position in space relative to the already wonky controls and how every little steering adjustment rotated the course ever so slightly.

(For the life of me I could never get the hang of heavies in that damn game.)
 

Yoshi

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Oct 27, 2017
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Both, 2D Mario and 3D Mario only have excellent games, whereas Mario Kart games go as far low as "good" (Mario Kart Wii).
 

Rand a. Thor

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Oct 31, 2017
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Eh. DS is still the peak, no matter how much better the actual racing has gotten. Single Player content is too slim a picking, and Mission Mode being omitted in the Number Generation was pretty stupid.
 

FreddeGredde

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Oct 27, 2017
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The only Mario Kart I've really really liked was Mario Kart DS.

I never liked how SMK felt, we always preferred Diddy Kong Racing over MK64, Double Dash only had 16 levels and a battle mode that made us never come back to it.

Mario Kart Wii Was tons of fun online with friends though, so I'll put that on second place. MK7 just didn't do anything fresh, and the same for MK8 despite is huge amount of polish. I mean it's a good game, but I just didn't feel like playing it much.

So I disagree in other words. I'd vote for mainline Super Mario.
 

Noppie

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Oct 27, 2017
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All this time I thought Mario Kart Double Dash was good, recently played with friends, yeah game isn't so good after all. Mario Kart 8 on the other hand... amazing
This is a sentiment I have with more GameCube-games. Played them to death when I was younger, but going back.... some don't hold up lol.

Mario Kart is definitely consistently good, also so easy to just drop and come back later and pick it up again, boot it up at gatherings and parties and what not.
 

Jonneh

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Oct 24, 2017
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Super Circuit takes the worst part of Mario Kart 64, its steering, and uses it in some of the worst courses designed for a Mario Kart game.
 

Crayon

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Oct 26, 2017
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The way mk64 it held in such high regard when it's contemporaries included wipeout trilogy and sega rally and waverace and Colin McRae and the like...

Mk64 is the altered beast of racing games.
 

Charamiwa

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Oct 25, 2017
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Everytime I come to one of these thread I have to read how MK8D is boring and every other Kart racer in existence is better. To me that's insane. Maybe it's because we take that game for granted since it's been here for so long, but I never get tired of it. So many stages, so many characters, the visuals are top notch, the music is incredible, the tracks are varied as hell. And now with 200cc, double items, purple dash, it's been taken to the next level. The changes in gameplay added to Deluxe are small but make the game so much better and fun.

It's accessible, but technical as hell if you play it on 200cc (braking during drifts really opens up the game). To me it's simply the best Kart racer ever.
 

ShadowFox08

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Nov 25, 2017
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Eh... Mario Kart 64 was soundly outclassed by it's rivals at the time. Diddy Kong Racing and Crash Team Racing still hold up amazingly well. Mario Kart 64... doesn't.

I personally aren't too hot on Super Circuit either.

And Mario Kart 8 is really boring on anything below 200cc. Plus the coin item is still really bad. I load up Sonic Racing Transformed every time before Mario Kart 8.
I do like Diddy Kong racing a lot more than mk64. But DKR had the best single and co op player experience, while mk64 had the better couch multi experience.

Anyway mk8 series is decent at least. If you don't have people to play with, it will get boring fast. Mk8;deluxe could have been better if we had more unlocks(characters) and if the karts and parts were more balanced. Literally half of the karts/bikes we're uselessm the speed focused ones got hit with too many penalties.
 

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Everytime I come to one of these thread I have to read how MK8D is boring and every other Kart racer in existence is better. To me that's insane. Maybe it's because we take that game for granted since it's been here for so long, but I never get tired of it. So many stages, so many characters, the visuals are top notch, the music is incredible, the tracks are varied as hell. And now with 200cc, double items, purple dash, it's been taken to the next level. The changes in gameplay added to Deluxe are small but make the game so much better and fun.

It's accessible, but technical as hell if you play it on 200cc (braking during drifts really opens up the game). To me it's simply the best Kart racer ever.
For some reason, I don't think I ever played 200cc... Going to have to dig out the Wii U at some point and check that out (no switch yet).
 

xyla

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Oct 27, 2017
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This only works if you are not that into Battle Mode. In that case, the series has only two good games.

After SNES and N64, the mode was consistently butchered to the point where it brought the whole game down. Even in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Not including a Stock Mode is like releasing a new Smash Bros and suddenly only making 5 Min. endless lives matches possible. Sucks all the tension out of the mode. It's an easy option too - I don't necessarily need it for online play and it's not a must for me to turn into a bob omb after losing all my balloons.
 

iswasdoes

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I kind of agree, but it's not such an achievement when it iterates on the same formula each time. By this logic EAs sports games deserve the same acclaim
 

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The Yakuza series is for me absolutely the most consistent game series going. Basically I consider them all to be fucking brilliant except Dead Souls and even then I still really like Dead Souls. Amazing series, adore it.
 

unicornKnight

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They have been always good and they got even better, I got 64, DD (though I sold it), DS (my most played), Wii, 8 and 8D. Playing locally MK DS was the most fun I ever had playing a video game with other people. Those matches were tense!!
 

Pariah

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It's up there. Certainly a strong combination of good core mechanics and consistency. As a franchise there have been highs and lows, but the concept remained strong and fun.

I was replaying Deluxe this weekend and it surprised me how entertaining feels. One of those rare experiences I could stay away from for months, then one day return to and enjoy like the first time.
 

Gelf

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Oct 27, 2017
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Wasn't each Virtua Fighter considered a technical/gameplay marvel at the time of release

EDIT: I also doubt that MK was the best racing game each year it came out. F-Zero GX and Outrun 2 were released the same year as Double Dash, for example
Virtua Fighter is a good shout, it only really falters in some ports (VF1 Saturn which is fixed by VF Remix and VF2 MD which is a miracle port just to exist). Dammit I want 6 now.
 

Weltall Zero

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Oct 26, 2017
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the general consensus with dark souls ii is that it's bad. it's underwhelming at best and a game that divisive can't really be considered great.

So exactly like Mario Kart 64? I pretty much hate Dark Souls 2 and I'd sooner play it than MK64.

... if a series has more great games, then it is more consistent.

You fail statistics forever.

Almost never bad. I consider New Super Mario Bros 2 a blemish on that record.

For me NSMB1 is the blemish and NSMB2 is great *shrug*
 

rochellepaws

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Oct 25, 2017
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The series is consistent since it takes such few risks with each entry. Similar to mainline Pokemon games, it's difficult to ever fail with a series when the initial formula is so outstanding and you're only willing to take small steps with each iteration on that.
The OP is correct but I don't think that sort of conservative design should be applauded. On the other hand you could consider that in 20 years the series has barely improved or moved forward at all.
 

MaitreWakou

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May 15, 2018
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Yo this thread is wild lmao.
"MK64 was never good" "MKDD is terrible" "Bayonetta 1 is bad" "no one has fond memories playing CTR and DKR multiplayer" "MK64 runs like garbage plays like garbage and looks like garbage", damn people really do fuckin hate video games here it's crazy.
 

Windrunner

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think it's inconsistent as hell because I like battle mode a lot more than I do GP and MK8D and SMK have the only battle modes worth playing.
 

Prine

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Disagree. GTA not only beats it, it achieves Masterpiece status with almost every release since GTA3.
 

Windu

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Super Mario, Zelda, Half Life are a few series off the top of my head that have had excellent games all around.

Also I didn't realize Super Circuit was disliked. That was the GBA one right? I thought that was excellent. Had like every Mario Kart track on it.
 

MondoMega

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Everybody here is sleeping on Kirby. The main-series games are easy but fun platforming romps with a lot of charm; and even the spin-off titles are very enjoyable (Dream Course and Air Ride standing out the most to me). There are no "bad" Kirby games.
 

Sylmaron

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Oct 28, 2017
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As a multiplayer experience absolutely but I hate the rubberbanding in single player mode. They never fixed that.

Diddy Kong Racing and CTR were better in my view.
 

Treasure Silvergun

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Nah. I was never too hot on Super Circuit and 7. And going back to 7 after 8 was so rough.


People say this. But literally no one has fond memories of playing dkr or ctr in multiplayer mode.
What is this?

In high school me and my friends wouldn't miss a chance to play 4-players CTR. The GP mode was years ahead of MK64. The only good thing about MK64 was the arena MP. Everything about actually racing in that game was painfully boring. Even worse if you happened to have a PAL N64. CTR was the shit back then.
 

mindsale

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Oct 29, 2017
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MarioKart Wii - 82
MarioKart 64 - 83
MarioKart 7 - 85

I can stop there as far as review aggregates go.

A franchise like GTA or Zelda soundly trumps those low-end scores (mainline entries only).