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Nocturnal

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Oct 25, 2017
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First you said that Activision was quiet because the game is having bad legs, I told you that was wrong and in fact Activision commented the game was doing very good and they were happy, and then you doubled down because you really *want* to push your made up narrative.


Meanwhile, all your analysis is ignoring that in the month the PC version launched, there is almost no PC sales being tracked by this thread.

And the definitive proof of bad sales, there will be sales in Black Friday. I guess every AAA game bombs every year then. smh.

I said it's a big drop and its no wonder Activision isn't talking about the game any longer. Them commenting about it a month ago as they are releasing the PC version doesn't nullify my comment.

I didn't comment on PC sales because we are in an NPD thread and BattleNet sales aren't tracked. I'm simply commenting on Destiny 2 being more front-loaded than the debut.

Destiny is the best selling game in 2017, it's not a bomb by any means but it's second month is underwhelming compared to it's predecessor. All I said is that if numbers are bad we will see good deals for Destiny 2 on Black Friday.

You are bringing up bombas and seem to have a prosecution complex about a game, which by all accounts has generated a massive amount of revenue. The question around Destiny 2 has always been whether long term it will be more successful than the debut not the immediate revenue it generates from it's launch. Activision and Bungie have a 10 year plan so they need to keep the playerbase growing and a lot will depend on the reception of future content.
 

Ludens

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Oct 29, 2017
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Sweden
You mean in places where the install base discrepancy is huge?

I'm willing to bet that in most regions where the install bases are fairly close-ish, Forza would be selling more or better relatively.
You mean like UK? GTS first week was 80-90k, forza first week was 30k.

I think GT is not as pupolar in US as in the rest of the world.
 

Jeffrey Guang

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Nov 4, 2017
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Taiwn
By... selling almost the same in 2 days as the other game over a month?

I'm not sure about your logic here, to be honest.

There are other circumstantial evidence to support these two games bombed, though. Today is the first day of Xbox digital store Black Friday Sale. And Wolf 2 and Evil within 2 are all priced at 30 dollars. That's a huge price drop compared with Shadow of War, which has zero discount.
 

Memento

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Oct 26, 2017
8,129
By... selling almost the same in 2 days as the other game over a month?

I'm not sure about your logic here, to be honest.

Most games wouldnt need more than 1 day to sell more than the sequel of The Evil Within. I would have thought Wolfeinstein 2 (a well reviewed FPS game with a great marketing campaign) would be one of those games too. Seems like it is not, which is really worrying.

Prepare yourself for the microtransaction based Wolfenstein 3. If there is one...
 

Hindle

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Oct 29, 2017
1,449
Ideally next year is when MS introduce a new Forza spin off. Horizon 4 should be 2019 and Motorsport 8 in 2020. One of these being a launch title for the next gen.
 

gdt

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Oct 26, 2017
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Those seem like really really bad numbers for both Evil Within 2 and Wolf 2. Look like 2 dead franchises to me :(. That hurts
 

Superman2x7

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Nov 4, 2017
1,692
Wow Forza 7 charted, that's so awesome, especially over Gran Turismo. I'm actually having a good time with Forza after it's initial bland start.
 

casiopao

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Oct 28, 2017
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Grand Turismo is soo dead. And Switch is killing it right now.

Only Fire Emblem seems to underperform. I would hate to see the legs possibilities there.
 

Ludens

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Oct 29, 2017
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GTSports sold ~80k in UK first week and Forza 7 sold ~30k. PS4 and One are relatively close in UK.

Yeah, i think GT never had strong ground in US to begin with. In EU thats a different story. But we cant deny that GTS has lost alot of ground to other racers. Either Kaz gets the boot or Sony gives him a bigger dev team to work with.
 

Paronth

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Oct 25, 2017
268
Great for the Switch. Strange that PS4 is still on top of the year, I though they were close, maybe the leaked numbers were not real? Or I'm misremembering them.

No it must be good, there was a gap of ~160k in September.

Jan 2017
PS4: 210,665
XB1: 157,545
Feb
PS4: 398,407
XB1: 215,418
Mar:
NSW: 910,545
PS4: 396,726
XB1: 243,514
Apr
NSW: 280,897
PS4: 206,297
XB1: 109,950
May:
PS4: 187,182
NSW: 165,038
XB1: 109,130
June:
PS4: 381,196
NSW: 215,582
XB1: 153,389
July
NSW: ~222k
PS4: ~217k
XB1: ~120k
Aug:
NSW: ~215k
PS4: ~190k
XB1: ~116k
Sept:
NSW: ~320k
PS4: ~300k
XB1: ~180k

Jan-Sept
PS4: 2,487,473
NSW: 2,329,062
XB1: 1,404,946
 

Loveless

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Oct 27, 2017
1,001
Forza Horizon 3 exceeded expectations IIRC.
Yeah but that doesn't mean it sold a lot. I mean, I'm sure publishers know that racing games don't sell in the US by now so they probably don't have high expectations.
And it #9 when it came out
and it also dropped out of October month too.

If a publisher budgets accordingly, you can see success with a racing game in the US. I dont think MS ever go overboard with any of thier budgets for Forza.
You can literally say that about any game.
 

ILikeFeet

DF Deet Master
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Oct 25, 2017
61,987
Mario Kart 8 doing well is nice and all, but I still want a new kart racer

Nintendo Kart please?
 

Fdkn

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Oct 25, 2017
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I said it's a big drop and its no wonder Activision isn't talking about the game any longer. Them commenting about it a month ago as they are releasing the PC version doesn't nullify my comment.

I didn't comment on PC sales because we are in an NPD thread and BattleNet sales aren't tracked. I'm simply commenting on Destiny 2 being more front-loaded than the debut.

Destiny is the best selling game in 2017, it's not a bomb by any means but it's second month is underwhelming compared to it's predecessor. All I said is that if numbers are bad we will see good deals for Destiny 2 on Black Friday.

You are bringing up bombas and seem to have a prosecution complex about a game, which by all accounts has generated a massive amount of revenue. The question around Destiny 2 has always been whether long term it will be more successful than the debut not the immediate revenue it generates from it's launch. Activision and Bungie have a 10 year plan so they need to keep the playerbase growing and a lot will depend on the reception of future content.

They are not commenting now because they already did when the sales happened. it's November 16th, we get the data now but they already talked about it when it was relevant... for them. The point is that because Battle.net sales are not tracked, you don't know how big the drop is in the first place.

Stating the obvious about legs and new content being important has nothing to do with your initial wrong statement about Activision being quiet that caused me to reply your post.
 

Y2Kev

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Oct 25, 2017
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What's the SKU count on the 37% increase though?

edit: and is mario kart 8 included?
 

Loveless

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Oct 27, 2017
1,001
There's a line specifically about racing games in the OP. Goodness.
And what exactly does that have to do with what I said? Racing games are selling nowhere near to what they use to during the PS2/early PS3 era.
And of course it's going to "double in sales", Sony didn't release a racing game last year. Goodness.
 

Superman2x7

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Nov 4, 2017
1,692
Ubisoft already came out and said Assassins is doing well and is onpace to outsell Syndicate which is a plus. Glad it charted so high. Hopefully Wolfenstein isnt too far down on that list, it's sad both that and Evil Within haven't lit the charts on fire.
 

JJConrad

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Nov 3, 2017
671
Middle Earth: Shadow of War was October's best-selling game overall, while also taking the top spot on both the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 platforms. Sales grew over 20 percent when compared to the launch month of the previous release in the franchise, Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor, which debuted in September 2014.
I suppose being #1 comes with some bragging rights, but these result will likely be a fairly big drop from Shadow of Mordor. The previous game had only 1 week worth of sales counted (not 3 weeks), digital sales weren't included, and it had the PS360 versions coming in Nov. to pad sales.
 

rzmunch

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
1,800
Argentina
No it must be good, there was a gap of ~160k in September.

Jan 2017
PS4: 210,665
XB1: 157,545
Feb
PS4: 398,407
XB1: 215,418
Mar:
NSW: 910,545
PS4: 396,726
XB1: 243,514
Apr
NSW: 280,897
PS4: 206,297
XB1: 109,950
May:
PS4: 187,182
NSW: 165,038
XB1: 109,130
June:
PS4: 381,196
NSW: 215,582
XB1: 153,389
July
NSW: ~222k
PS4: ~217k
XB1: ~120k
Aug:
NSW: ~215k
PS4: ~190k
XB1: ~116k
Sept:
NSW: ~320k
PS4: ~300k
XB1: ~180k

Jan-Sept
PS4: 2,487,473
NSW: 2,329,062
XB1: 1,404,946
Ohh it was a larger difference than I though. Switch stock shortage didnt really help in June. Thanks for the numbers!
 

Imad issa

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Nov 8, 2017
558
Let me get this straight, you're saying the holiday had NO effect and pretending you're the rational one? Ok.

When something sales out in 24 hours at launch, it's not really because of the holidays. ps4 had way more hype for it then switch, and switch managed almost a million in it's first month, and it was sold out. Is it really that hard to believe ps4 could have did a million in 24 hours in march, especially since it already had 1 million preorders 4 months before launch. we'll agree to disagree then.
 
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Lelouch0612

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Oct 25, 2017
21,200
MatPiscatella now that the month of October has seen a normalized demand without supply issues are you sticking to your forecast of 5M Switch sold in 2017 ? Or at least is it making you more/less confident about your forecast ?
 

Deleted member 2426

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Oct 25, 2017
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It feels like being anti Trump has become comercial poison in the US.

I am still picking up Wolfstein once it releases on Switch though.
 

Turtleboats

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Nov 13, 2017
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FE Warriors charting is awesome, I wonder how much it sold. Whats more impressive is that it came out on the 20th, so it probably sold a ton.

Shadow of War being number 1 infuriates me.
Same. Personally for me, I wanted to like it, and it is a good game. The only problem? I played this same exact game years ago with SoM - which made me bored with it in the end.

Not what I was looking for, the fortress stuff was super shallow and left much to be desired.
 

Loveless

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Oct 27, 2017
1,001
Does anyone have the Gran Turismo numbers for the previous games? I mean if I remember somewhat, the difference between the latest titles and the PS2 era ones are pretty staggering.
 
Oct 27, 2017
9,792
Peru
Okay, I feel like I missed a lot. I already know that SMO was a huge seller but is a shame that it isn't at the top spot this month

Same for Fire Emblem Warriors, was expecting more from it.

Good for Switch though, hope the momentum keeps going.
 

Prine

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Oct 25, 2017
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You realize that, for all intents and purposes, Galaxy was a lot more similar gameplay-wise to 3D World than it is to Odyssey? Galaxy is extremely linear and not sandbox-y at all. It's basically get to the goal/objective. Also "3DS style" is such a weird way to describe what is literally a direct translation of the 2D Mario formula straight into 3D.
Disagree, i think Galaxy has greater freedom in movement. About the later point, sure thats fine, i was apathetic towards it though, it didn't resonate with me (and by sales, others too) like Odyssey, i hope they never go back and continue in the same vein as Mario 64, Sunshine, Odyssey.
 

Deleted member 1476

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Does anyone have the Gran Turismo numbers for the previous games? I mean if I remember somewhat, the difference between the latest titles and the PS2 era ones are pretty staggering.

Freefalling since GT5.

It doesn't help they keep doing idiotic decisions (GT6 for the PS3 after the PS4 launch, now GTS)
 

Soony Xbone Uhh

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Oct 27, 2017
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Are they? I thought the gap was still fairly sizeable in the UK. Like 2:1 still.
No.
Combined installbase of Ps4 and Xbox One is 7.5 million as of July 2017 in the UK.

2:1 would be 5 million Ps4 and only 2.5 million Xbox One.
My estimate is 1.35:1 for the UK.

The US ratio is roughly 1.15:1


Does anyone have the Gran Turismo numbers for the previous games? I mean if I remember somewhat, the difference between the latest titles and the PS2 era ones are pretty staggering.
http://www.polyphony.co.jp/products/
 

guek

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Oct 25, 2017
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When something sales out in 24 hours at launch, it's not really because of the holidays. ps4 had way more hype for it then switch, and switch managed almost a million in it's first month, and it was sold out. Is it really that hard to believe ps4 could have did a million in 24 hours in march, especially since it already had 1 million preorders way before launch. we'll agree to disagree then.
Alright let me break it down for you

Comparing sales numbers as a measure of demand for two products that both sold out is pointless. At most, you can say the floor for PS4 demand was higher because they had the stock to allow for it to be higher.

Which brings me to the point that launching in the holiday mattered because Sony had the stock to capitalize on the shopping season. Companies want large amounts of stock during the holidays because they know they can move the product. Nintendo *only sold about a million in the first month because that's all the stock they had. They can't feasibly make Switches on demand, and they have to stockpile some of the product for the holiday season. You can only sell the product you actually have.
 

Cantaim

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Oct 25, 2017
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The Stussining
Yes, I agree Battlefront's monetization is bad.

This is why I also raised issue with putting microtransaction orcs in Shadow of War historically since it seemed like a blockade (not fun for customers) instead of a bonus (fun for customers).
This if developers and publishers can better understand this the anger towards micro transaction would lessen heavily in the long term. Will keep a close eye on EA going forward to see how the battlefront 2 controversy effects future EA products.
 
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