Decision has been made. Plus, why would anyone care to defend him? Let it go and move on. Don't say provocative shit if you're not prepared to face repercussions.
That was a Marvel Studios internal struggle though and Disney also felt it was in the studio's best interest to have Feige report directly to them instead of through Perlmutter. This would be Feige strongarming Disney themselves and that would end very badly for him.He already did it years ago when he wanted Pearlmutter gone from Marvel Studios.
What a bad precedent being promoted. If someone from the opposing ideology finds old crap on you it's inapplicable. BS
Seriously left folks have been so embarrassing in this. It's old and he apologized then which apparently no one was aware of because of reaction to when these tweets were made public again. Thing is it happened, he may have felt genuinely remorseful but words have consequences in present or future. Now that EVERYONE knows, his redemption begins
And if I lose I will never enter a MCU thread until Ant-Man 3.We live in a social media world. Everything "matters", and I think those that don't believe that Gunn might be re-hired are underplaying the power of the fact that most people actually stood by Gunn for noticing that Disney was played by an alt-right troll.
I believe that once the merger voting goes through, Disney higher ups will perceive the mistake they've made and reinstate him. There's a precedent to this, see Sam Seder's case and how the same alt-right asshole got him fired for similar false claims.
We live in a social media world. Everything "matters", and I think those that don't believe that Gunn might be re-hired are underplaying the power of the fact that most people actually stood by Gunn for noticing that Disney was played by an alt-right troll.
I believe that once the merger voting goes through, Disney higher ups will perceive the mistake they've made and reinstate him. There's a precedent to this, see Sam Seder's case and how the same alt-right asshole got him fired for similar false claims.
Eh that was different. Perlmutter was holding the whole brand back and Iger knew it. This is one movie.He already did it years ago when he wanted Pearlmutter gone from Marvel Studios.
We live in a social media world. Everything "matters", and I think those that don't believe that Gunn might be re-hired are underplaying the power of the fact that most people actually stood by Gunn for noticing that Disney was played by an alt-right troll.
I believe that once the merger voting goes through, Disney higher ups will perceive the mistake they've made and reinstate him. There's a precedent to this, see Sam Seder's case and how the same alt-right asshole got him fired for similar false claims.
My concern also. A lot of the tweets on this are going to be used against those posters the next time someone's history is dug up on someone they don't like. For instance, point 2 in this tweet:What a bad precedent being promoted. If someone from the opposing ideology finds old crap on you it's inapplicable. BS
I keep seeing the narrative that everyone (especially Disney) knew about these tweets and he already apologized for them, but every article I have seen linked as evidence of this is referring to a completely different set of offensive posts, mostly from 2011. As you point out, the severe reaction to these tweets now indicates that they were not widely known previously.
I love Guardians of the galaxy, but the dpuble standard here just because people like his movies is sad/hilarious.
Compare this to any other celebrity with bad tweets/actions in the past.
Why would they think they can take down anyone as a result of this. And even if they thought that I don't see any basis for that in truth.
Gunn got fired for tweets hitting the mainstream that would have gotten him fired from the vast majority of jobs. This situation isn't applicable to anyone the far-right would want to target.
He talked about his general attitude and specifically his Twitter Posts many times. This is a Buzzfeed article from 2017:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/...f-the-galaxy?utm_term=.swAkQP2e0g#.vv4PRV64kX
Here's what I said about this in the other thread which I figured is worth reiterating since you guys seem to make the same points again in this thread:
You know, I'm pretty much always one of the guys calling shit out, someone who has no patience for this kind of stuff. But realising in this thread that for some of you all this never really was about accountability or making people realise their mistakes or acknowledging their change and their apologies...but that it's instead just about coming down with the hammer and calling people out, no matter the context is kind of an eye-opener. The dude was his own biggest critic. He NEVER hid these tweets, these jokes, he never ran away from what he said. He often talked about it unprovoked and how uncomfortable he is with how he was back then, how much better he feels these days. His words and deeds have proven him to be an ally who fights for the rights of others, even when confronted by immense hate.
To see that none of this matter to some, very simply because the dude made offensive jokes almost a decade ago is...I honestly don't know what it is. It makes me question a few things because it makes me realize that you and I do not at all want the same thing when we normally call this behaviour out. For me, it's about weeding out the racists, the sexists, the people intending to harm others and change society in ways that will benefit them and hurt or repress others. It's about showing that even offensive jokes can have meaning and hurt people. If that person realises that and honestly apologizes for it, making it clear for years and years that he came around and is staunchly on the right side of history...what benefit, exactly, do you get by going "Nah, still, fuck you"? Because to me it very simply feels like a self-righteous, nonsensical version of mob justice that doesn't indent to actually make anything better, but simply to hurt and shun. And I am 100% sure that I would find some kind of offensive, bad taste joke or statement or angry posts in your history of forum posts and personal anecdotes. Same with me. I definitely made jokes just as bad as this at some points of my life. Do I deserve to lose my livelyhood because of that? No matter if that at all represents me and what I do and who I am now? Do you deserve that?
I would sign it if online petitions ever actually did anything.
Probably not, my nickname on another forum was a color, I just added another color because it was used and to to be recognized.Came to post something similar.
BTW - does your username mean what I think it means?
Was this guy not fired because of his old tweets about rape and pedophilia? What's with the 180?
Why would they think they can take down just anyone as a result of this? And even if they thought that I don't see any basis for that in truth.
Gunn got fired for tweets hitting the mainstream that would have gotten him fired from the vast majority of jobs. This situation isn't applicable to just anyone the far-right would want to target.
Maybe start the hand wringing when someone actually does get taken down for criticizing Trump? That is not what happened here.
It's insane how you're twisting this into effectively having your cake and eating it too.I'm quite confident that this situation will be sorted out in less than two weeks. I disagree with your assessment because the way I see it, the alt-right targets Disney because they know they have progressive stories and artists involved. Doing that is actually what the alt-right wants. I'm confident that the public opinion is very much on Gunn's favor and things will be sorted out soon.
This disingenuous image is never going to die.
A boycott for boycott's sake is meaningless. So, what, you boycott Ant-Man and the Wasp now? They only lesson they'll learn is people don't want to see Ant-Man and the Wasp. You boycott Black Panther 2 and their only takeaway will be that nobody wants a Black Panther sequel.If you guy's are truly angered by this, hit Disney where it hurts.
Skip the Marvel movies, star wars movies etc.
This petition will do nothing.
But you'll sleep easier at night knowing you haven't given money to the corporation who bent to the will of the alt-right.
who am I kidding. You'll all be there for the next guardians movie after the first trailer drops.
Sam Seder's case was different though. He made a post that was clearly mocking Roman Polanski apologists that got falsely reported on by Cernovich as being in favor of Polanski. In Gunn's case though, he really did make those tweets and the content was exactly what it said on the tin. Do I agree with his firing? Hell no, I fully believe Gunn has grown past it and as far as we know it were just some stupid jokes and he hasn't actually done anything, but this is still very different than the Seder case.We live in a social media world. Everything "matters", and I think those that don't believe that Gunn might be re-hired are underplaying the power of the fact that most people actually stood by Gunn for noticing that Disney was played by an alt-right troll.
I believe that once the merger voting goes through, Disney higher ups will perceive the mistake they've made and reinstate him. There's a precedent to this, see Sam Seder's case and how the same alt-right asshole got him fired for similar false claims.
I have some bad news for you guys. Theracist, rape-apologist, Pizzagate instigators of the campaign to get Gunn fired, Mike Cernovich and his Alt-Right followers are already very busy on Twitter, right now, to apply EXACTLY this tactic to Patton Oswalt, Sarah Silverman and others. This is their schtick. And you are falling for it.
Fan petitions rarely work, but I hope this does.
I think the only way Gunn is rehired if the cast pushes for it, Dave Bautista sounds like he wants Gunn back. But really this effort would need the likes of Chris Pratt to really push this through.
Was this guy not fired because of his old tweets about rape and pedophilia? What's with the 180?
Disney and Marvel were asked to comment about the blog back then, but never put out statements as far as I can see. Unless internal corporate documents are released, you're never going to get any "definitive proof" they knew. (and as a side note, the blog that caused the initial uproar had similar offensive material as the tweets, so while the tweets themselves were never mentioned, the content was similar at the time).Just for the record, I think he totally has reformed and it sucks that he got fired for this, although it's not terribly surprising. I'm just trying to get the facts straight. People are claiming that Disney and everyone else absolutely knew about these very tweets, but I'm not seeing any evidence of that being presented. If people can prove that Disney knew about these exact tweets and blog posts and yet still hired him and were cool with it up until now, then that is a pretty strong thing to rally around, but right now it just looks like a bunch of "it must be so" to me.
So content doesn't matter it's who finds it matters if outrage is needed. Got it
Everyone and the studio knows about Kimmel though, he grew up on Camera
Honestly they should just replace him with a woman or person of color just to complete this alt-right monkey paw wish.