Decision has been made. Plus, why would anyone care to defend him? Let it go and move on. Don't say provocative shit if you're not prepared to face repercussions.
300K + sign petition for Disney to rehire James Gunn for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
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That was a Marvel Studios internal struggle though and Disney also felt it was in the studio's best interest to have Feige report directly to them instead of through Perlmutter. This would be Feige strongarming Disney themselves and that would end very badly for him.
I keep seeing the narrative that everyone (especially Disney) knew about these tweets and he already apologized for them, but every article I have seen linked as evidence of this is referring to a completely different set of offensive posts, mostly from 2011. As you point out, the severe reaction to these tweets now indicates that they were not widely known previously.
And if I lose I will never enter a MCU thread until Ant-Man 3.
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These aren't false claims. He made those post and they were disgusting.
Now look at my post up there. If you want to actually do something stop buying marvel's shit
As of right now, your avatar is a literal advertisement for one of marvel's toys and characters.
If you guy's are truly angered by this, hit Disney where it hurts.
Skip the Marvel movies, star wars movies etc.
This petition will do nothing.
But you'll sleep easier at night knowing you haven't given money to the corporation who bent to the will of the alt-right.
Skip the Marvel movies, star wars movies etc.
This petition will do nothing.
But you'll sleep easier at night knowing you haven't given money to the corporation who bent to the will of the alt-right.
who am I kidding. You'll all be there for the next guardians movie after the first trailer drops.
Signed. Don't like the Marvel movies but the guy deserves his job. Also, fuck Weird Mike and Jack 'Bumble' Probiscus.
There needs to be some fire behind the smoke for anything to happen. Come back with your slippery slope concern when that's not the case.
Eh that was different. Perlmutter was holding the whole brand back and Iger knew it. This is one movie.
Signed the petition.... I hope it works... usually after firings, big companies don't go back on it.
But Disney has ok'd unconventional decisions by Marvel.. like bringing back Ryan Reynolds for Deadpool after the Wolverine disaster... as well as bringing back Chris Evens and Michael B. Jordan for important Marvel roles.
But Disney has ok'd unconventional decisions by Marvel.. like bringing back Ryan Reynolds for Deadpool after the Wolverine disaster... as well as bringing back Chris Evens and Michael B. Jordan for important Marvel roles.
My concern also. A lot of the tweets on this are going to be used against those posters the next time someone's history is dug up on someone they don't like. For instance, point 2 in this tweet:
https://mobile.twitter.com/patrickklepek/status/1020416793981210624
He talked about his general attitude and specifically his Twitter Posts many times. This is a Buzzfeed article from 2017:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/...f-the-galaxy?utm_term=.swAkQP2e0g#.vv4PRV64kX
Here's what I said about this in the other thread which I figured is worth reiterating since you guys seem to make the same points again in this thread:
You know, I'm pretty much always one of the guys calling shit out, someone who has no patience for this kind of stuff. But realising in this thread that for some of you all this never really was about accountability or making people realise their mistakes or acknowledging their change and their apologies...but that it's instead just about coming down with the hammer and calling people out, no matter the context is kind of an eye-opener. The dude was his own biggest critic. He NEVER hid these tweets, these jokes, he never ran away from what he said. He often talked about it unprovoked and how uncomfortable he is with how he was back then, how much better he feels these days. His words and deeds have proven him to be an ally who fights for the rights of others, even when confronted by immense hate.
To see that none of this matter to some, very simply because the dude made offensive jokes almost a decade ago is...I honestly don't know what it is. It makes me question a few things because it makes me realize that you and I do not at all want the same thing when we normally call this behaviour out. For me, it's about weeding out the racists, the sexists, the people intending to harm others and change society in ways that will benefit them and hurt or repress others. It's about showing that even offensive jokes can have meaning and hurt people. If that person realises that and honestly apologizes for it, making it clear for years and years that he came around and is staunchly on the right side of history...what benefit, exactly, do you get by going "Nah, still, fuck you"? Because to me it very simply feels like a self-righteous, nonsensical version of mob justice that doesn't indent to actually make anything better, but simply to hurt and shun. And I am 100% sure that I would find some kind of offensive, bad taste joke or statement or angry posts in your history of forum posts and personal anecdotes. Same with me. I definitely made jokes just as bad as this at some points of my life. Do I deserve to lose my livelyhood because of that? No matter if that at all represents me and what I do and who I am now? Do you deserve that?
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Maybe start the hand wringing when someone actually does get taken down for criticizing Trump? That is not what happened here.
Why would they think they can take down just anyone as a result of this? And even if they thought that I don't see any basis for that in truth.
Gunn got fired for tweets hitting the mainstream that would have gotten him fired from the vast majority of jobs. This situation isn't applicable to just anyone the far-right would want to target.
Came to post something similar.
BTW - does your username mean what I think it means?
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Because that's exactly what they are trying to do now. Reportedly by themselves.
He talked about his general attitude and specifically his Twitter Posts many times. This is a Buzzfeed article from 2017:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/...f-the-galaxy?utm_term=.swAkQP2e0g#.vv4PRV64kX
Here's what I said about this in the other thread which I figured is worth reiterating since you guys seem to make the same points again in this thread:
You know, I'm pretty much always one of the guys calling shit out, someone who has no patience for this kind of stuff. But realising in this thread that for some of you all this never really was about accountability or making people realise their mistakes or acknowledging their change and their apologies...but that it's instead just about coming down with the hammer and calling people out, no matter the context is kind of an eye-opener. The dude was his own biggest critic. He NEVER hid these tweets, these jokes, he never ran away from what he said. He often talked about it unprovoked and how uncomfortable he is with how he was back then, how much better he feels these days. His words and deeds have proven him to be an ally who fights for the rights of others, even when confronted by immense hate.
To see that none of this matter to some, very simply because the dude made offensive jokes almost a decade ago is...I honestly don't know what it is. It makes me question a few things because it makes me realize that you and I do not at all want the same thing when we normally call this behaviour out. For me, it's about weeding out the racists, the sexists, the people intending to harm others and change society in ways that will benefit them and hurt or repress others. It's about showing that even offensive jokes can have meaning and hurt people. If that person realises that and honestly apologizes for it, making it clear for years and years that he came around and is staunchly on the right side of history...what benefit, exactly, do you get by going "Nah, still, fuck you"? Because to me it very simply feels like a self-righteous, nonsensical version of mob justice that doesn't indent to actually make anything better, but simply to hurt and shun. And I am 100% sure that I would find some kind of offensive, bad taste joke or statement or angry posts in your history of forum posts and personal anecdotes. Same with me. I definitely made jokes just as bad as this at some points of my life. Do I deserve to lose my livelyhood because of that? No matter if that at all represents me and what I do and who I am now? Do you deserve that?
Just for the record, I think he totally has reformed and it sucks that he got fired for this, although it's not terribly surprising. I'm just trying to get the facts straight. People are claiming that Disney and everyone else absolutely knew about these very tweets, but I'm not seeing any evidence of that being presented. If people can prove that Disney knew about these exact tweets and blog posts and yet still hired him and were cool with it up until now, then that is a pretty strong thing to rally around, but right now it just looks like a bunch of "it must be so" to me.
Gunn got fired because unlike when he first wrote and then apologized, his tweets went mainstream NOW unlike before. People keep missing the point. Look at era's own thread when the tweets were made public, probably 5% of folks knew about the tweets and apology already. Gunn didn't get a lesson then because he became big. He got his lesson NOW. It's not that hard to understand
It's cringeworthy to see people only wanting him back because they like a movie. Words don't matter when you like things or someone apparently
It's cringeworthy to see people only wanting him back because they like a movie. Words don't matter when you like things or someone apparently
Probably not, my nickname on another forum was a color, I just added another color because it was used and to to be recognized.
But now I'm curious on what could it mean lol.
Fan petitions rarely work, but I hope this does.
I think the only way Gunn is rehired if the cast pushes for it, Dave Bautista sounds like he wants Gunn back. But really this effort would need the likes of Chris Pratt to really push this through.
I think the only way Gunn is rehired if the cast pushes for it, Dave Bautista sounds like he wants Gunn back. But really this effort would need the likes of Chris Pratt to really push this through.
I have some bad news for you guys. Theracist, rape-apologist, Pizzagate instigators of the campaign to get Gunn fired, Mike Cernovich and his Alt-Right followers are already very busy on Twitter, right now, to apply EXACTLY this tactic to Patton Oswalt, Sarah Silverman and others. This is their schtick. And you are falling for it.
She's not entirely wrong. But at the same time, this isn't a new thing and Gunn isn't the first person attacked. If it worked with everyone, Rian Johnson wouldn't have his Star Wars trilogy lined up. Reason it stuck with Gunn is the wealth of Tweets, severity, and that he was working on a family-friendly property for Disney.
At the same same time, happening so close to the ArenaNet firings, which come off worse to ArenaNet than this does to Disney, I can understand why there's some concern.
It's insane how you're twisting this into effectively having your cake and eating it too.
This disingenuous image is never going to die.The only way to hurt Disney would be a mass boycott of future Marvel movies.
And I don't see that happening.
It also ignores the fact that they brought Dedicated Servers back.
A boycott for boycott's sake is meaningless. So, what, you boycott Ant-Man and the Wasp now? They only lesson they'll learn is people don't want to see Ant-Man and the Wasp. You boycott Black Panther 2 and their only takeaway will be that nobody wants a Black Panther sequel.
Unless there is a very clear, unified voice telling them why millions upon millions of people skipped a film, they won't even know why their properties would be suffering.
Even if Marvel as a property became toxic today, they'd still be more than okay in their billions from their other dozens of movies, TV channels, theme parks, hotels and resorts, etc. One movie, one director, is a drop in the bucket.
This isn't about that. "Winning" isn't the goal here, and getting James Gunn rehired, while nice, isn't really the end-goal either. It's at the very least taking the time to tell Disney WHY you are upset with them. If they listen or don't listen doesn't matter, because sounding off at the very least takes away their ability to deny they were ignorant of the backlash or fan response. It's putting yourself on the record, so to speak, and them at the very least knowing precisely why you feel they screwed up.
Criticism and protest is meaningless if it is internalized.
Sam Seder's case was different though. He made a post that was clearly mocking Roman Polanski apologists that got falsely reported on by Cernovich as being in favor of Polanski. In Gunn's case though, he really did make those tweets and the content was exactly what it said on the tin. Do I agree with his firing? Hell no, I fully believe Gunn has grown past it and as far as we know it were just some stupid jokes and he hasn't actually done anything, but this is still very different than the Seder case.
And I think there's nowhere near enough social media backing for Gunn to be reinstated for the shareholders to care. See, the shareholders aren't stupid, they know fully well that however hard these people moan about Gunn having to be brought back on, they're still going to see Captain Marvel, they're still going to see Avengers 4 and they're still going to see Guardians of the Galaxy 3. For them to care they have to believe that Gunn's firing will actually harm the brand and it won't, unless the actors all decide to break contract and walk.
So content doesn't matter it's who finds it matters if outrage is needed. Got it
Pratt is a deeply religious right winger that follows a couple of alt-right peeps on twitter. He will more than likely not say shit
It seemed like most people felt that he had turned his life around and apologized for those tweets and that he was unfairly punished for past behavior that he has given up.
Man, I don't know if you could be more reductive and dismissive of the entire situation if you tried.
Everyone and the studio knows about Kimmel though, he grew up on Camera
The people wanting him brought back didn't want him gone in the first place.
Disney and Marvel were asked to comment about the blog back then, but never put out statements as far as I can see. Unless internal corporate documents are released, you're never going to get any "definitive proof" they knew. (and as a side note, the blog that caused the initial uproar had similar offensive material as the tweets, so while the tweets themselves were never mentioned, the content was similar at the time).
I even looked for and inserted a lengthy, older post of mine to make my position clear. If you cant even be bothered to read that and actually take part in the discussion, instead just coming up with bullshit to attack others, then leave nd stop inserting yourself into the discussion.
If you had asked me before this all blew up I'd have told you that we all know about Gunn too. It wasn't exactly a secret.
Honestly they should just replace him with a woman or person of color just to complete this alt-right monkey paw wish.
So THAT'S how it is.
Hrm....
It doesn't matter how many signatures we get on this signature, Disney isn't walking this one back.
They don't k ow or care what is really going on... or more specifically they don't have the people with the working social knowledge on staff in appropriate positions to handle these kinds of situations.
For right now, fans would have better luck appealing to the actors, and see if they can get enough of them to make a move, which might get Disney to pull it's head out of its protective shell and listen.
Then, these companies REALLY need to hire people who know how to navigate the cyber social landscapes, people who knows who's who and what's what, and can put together a presentation explaining it along with proposed courses of action and possible outcomes.
Hrm....
It doesn't matter how many signatures we get on this signature, Disney isn't walking this one back.
They don't k ow or care what is really going on... or more specifically they don't have the people with the working social knowledge on staff in appropriate positions to handle these kinds of situations.
For right now, fans would have better luck appealing to the actors, and see if they can get enough of them to make a move, which might get Disney to pull it's head out of its protective shell and listen.
Then, these companies REALLY need to hire people who know how to navigate the cyber social landscapes, people who knows who's who and what's what, and can put together a presentation explaining it along with proposed courses of action and possible outcomes.
Fuck it. Piss off everyone. Guardians 3 directed by Rian Johnson.