So... here I didn't had any trailer/teaser after the episode... anything in the uk ?
Missy and River were the best pilots of tardis =P
Missy and River were the best pilots of tardis =P
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In case anyone was wondering where that was when she was falling at the end,
They only started filming about a month ago, so they wouldn't have had much to work with.
that was Sheffield from above.
No, we didn't get anything either.
They only started filming about a month ago, so they wouldn't have had much to work with.
I get the impression from the after interviews that Moffat didn't handle the Jodie bits. Did Chibs come on set and shoot that last bit with the crew? Not quite sure how it works.
Moffat finished with Capaldi's last line/shot. The moment Twelve regens into Thirteen, it's all Chibnall. It was the same when Ten regenerated into Eleven. RTD ended on "I don't want to go", and Moff did the rest.
I just found the aftershow and he actually says it. So I should have waited. :)
The BBC America aftershow was really good. I loved how the crew gave Peter Capaldi a sonic screwdriver after he filmed his regeneration.
Feels kind of bittersweet to have seen both Capaldi and Moffat's last episode. Rachel Talalay also did an amazing job, I hope she gets to come back for series 11.
Feels kind of bittersweet to have seen both Capaldi and Moffat's last episode. Rachel Talalay also did an amazing job, I hope she gets to come back for series 11.
I liked the way Doctor Who Confidential covered it 10's regeneration to 11.
I miss DWC. Is the Aftershow any good?
Had time to mull over the episode, and while I liked it I would've preferred a bit more going on and less of the casual sexism jokes from the First Doctor. They weren't funny and felt out of character, but thankfully Bradley still did a great job. Happy he got to "reprise" the role. Capaldi's exit was perfect. No complaints there.
My rankings for each Christmas special:
1) A Christmas Carol (2010)
2) The Husbands of River Song (2015)
3) The Christmas Invasion (2005)
4) The Time of the Doctor (2013)
5) The Snowmen (2012)
6) Twice Upon a Time (2017)
7) The Next Doctor (2008)
8) The Return of Doctor Mysterio (2016)
9) The Runaway Bride (2006)
10) The End of Time (2009)
11) Last Christmas (2014)
12) Voyage of the Damned (2007)
13) The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe. (2011)
My rankings for each Christmas special:
1) A Christmas Carol (2010)
2) The Husbands of River Song (2015)
3) The Christmas Invasion (2005)
4) The Time of the Doctor (2013)
5) The Snowmen (2012)
6) Twice Upon a Time (2017)
7) The Next Doctor (2008)
8) The Return of Doctor Mysterio (2016)
9) The Runaway Bride (2006)
10) The End of Time (2009)
11) Last Christmas (2014)
12) Voyage of the Damned (2007)
13) The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe. (2011)
My Christmas rankings:
1. Last Christmas
A collage of riffs on Alien, The Thing, Inception, and a little bit of Miracle on 34th Street, all of which come together really well, serving as a nice coda to Dark Water/Death in Heaven and, more largely, the Doctor and Clara's frayed, complicated, and weirdly loving relationship from S8.
2. Twice Upon a Time
I wrote some longer thoughts on it here, but I thought it was a really lovely episode and a powerful, touching swansong for both Capaldi and Moffat. The regeneration scene in particular was a wonderful summary of what Doctor Who means to them, as a message for the next generation.
3. The Christmas Invasion
Even in spite of relatively little time on screen, this is a great debut for David Tennant as the Doctor, and remains one of his and RTD's best episodes. Second only to The Eleventh Hour for modern Doctor intros.
4. The Husbands of River Song
What a shame that Twelve and River only have this one episode together; Capaldi has far more chemistry with Kingston than Smith really ever did, and their dynamic elevates this episode several orders above the silly but fun story around them.
5. The Time of the Doctor
A fitting end to Smith's run: messy and unnecessarily convoluted at times, but with some wonderful, heartfelt character moments, in particular the final 10 minutes, when Clara returns to Trenzalore and the "Four Knocks" music kicks in.
6. A Christmas Carol
I've never had any great affinity for the Dickens story, which is why this is so much lower than most people would place it. But it's still a well-made episode all the same.
7. The Snowmen
I think this one is underrated! It's good fun, in large part because of Jenna.
8. The Return of Doctor Mysterio
On paper, a really dumb, awful-sounding idea. In execution, way more charming and fun than it had any right to be.
9. Voyage of the Damned
The first not-good one, imo, but still solid nonetheless. A dopey, turn-your-brain-off sort of blockbuster.
10. The Next Doctor
I don't remember much of this, other than David Morrissey and a giant Cyberman. As such, I have no real feelings about it, positively or negatively.
11. The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe
Basically the same as the above, except I remember even less about this one.
12. The End of Time Part 1
So bad, it left me genuinely worried for a week that RTD was going to fuck up Tennant's exit. Luckily it recovered a lot in part 2. The "Books of Saxon" bit near the beginning has to be one of the worst all-time Doctor Who scenes.
13. The Runaway Bride
The only one I couldn't even bother to finish, which by default makes this the worst. Ironic, since Donna went on to be such a great companion in S4.
1. Last Christmas
A collage of riffs on Alien, The Thing, Inception, and a little bit of Miracle on 34th Street, all of which come together really well, serving as a nice coda to Dark Water/Death in Heaven and, more largely, the Doctor and Clara's frayed, complicated, and weirdly loving relationship from S8.
2. Twice Upon a Time
I wrote some longer thoughts on it here, but I thought it was a really lovely episode and a powerful, touching swansong for both Capaldi and Moffat. The regeneration scene in particular was a wonderful summary of what Doctor Who means to them, as a message for the next generation.
3. The Christmas Invasion
Even in spite of relatively little time on screen, this is a great debut for David Tennant as the Doctor, and remains one of his and RTD's best episodes. Second only to The Eleventh Hour for modern Doctor intros.
4. The Husbands of River Song
What a shame that Twelve and River only have this one episode together; Capaldi has far more chemistry with Kingston than Smith really ever did, and their dynamic elevates this episode several orders above the silly but fun story around them.
5. The Time of the Doctor
A fitting end to Smith's run: messy and unnecessarily convoluted at times, but with some wonderful, heartfelt character moments, in particular the final 10 minutes, when Clara returns to Trenzalore and the "Four Knocks" music kicks in.
6. A Christmas Carol
I've never had any great affinity for the Dickens story, which is why this is so much lower than most people would place it. But it's still a well-made episode all the same.
7. The Snowmen
I think this one is underrated! It's good fun, in large part because of Jenna.
8. The Return of Doctor Mysterio
On paper, a really dumb, awful-sounding idea. In execution, way more charming and fun than it had any right to be.
9. Voyage of the Damned
The first not-good one, imo, but still solid nonetheless. A dopey, turn-your-brain-off sort of blockbuster.
10. The Next Doctor
I don't remember much of this, other than David Morrissey and a giant Cyberman. As such, I have no real feelings about it, positively or negatively.
11. The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe
Basically the same as the above, except I remember even less about this one.
12. The End of Time Part 1
So bad, it left me genuinely worried for a week that RTD was going to fuck up Tennant's exit. Luckily it recovered a lot in part 2. The "Books of Saxon" bit near the beginning has to be one of the worst all-time Doctor Who scenes.
13. The Runaway Bride
The only one I couldn't even bother to finish, which by default makes this the worst. Ironic, since Donna went on to be such a great companion in S4.
Posted in the Xmas thread by accident.
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This comes out in February and you're damn right I'm getting it.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077RG1813/?tag=era0f0-20
Doctor Who: Complete Peter Capaldi Years
Blu-ray
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This comes out in February and you're damn right I'm getting it.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077RG1813/?tag=era0f0-20
Doctor Who: Complete Peter Capaldi Years
Blu-ray
I think I might need that. I don't know if I have the money for it, but I need it.
Weirdly, the Clara image on that box art is from Asylum of the Daleks.
Weirdly, the Clara image on that box art is from Asylum of the Daleks.
ok- mea culpa on my earlier post, Chibs wrote the women driver joke
anywho, more thoughts
"Brilliant" is a great opening line. So joyful.
some more reflections on the Christmas special:
I personally was surprised at how good the special was since many of the specials from the Moffat years have been Doctor Who versions of Willy Wonka. I feel it was his best Xmas special (though Christmas Carol and Last Christmas were both really good), nowhere near the level of awful of Time of the Doctor, the awful widow one and or otherwise good special ruined by snow melted by tears bullshit of the Snowmen.
1st Doctor wasn't really ever sexist or all that patronising (a little overprotective of his Granddaughter but he didn't lock the women in the TARDIS). Pertwee's Doctor was often patronising towards Jo and Sarah but he was patronising to everyone. The writers and producers of the original run be considered sexist but the Doctor himself rarely was. I think they managed to avoid using "is it because I'm a woman?" that male writers used a lot in the 70s and 80s. Blake's 7, another show I love, had half the cast be female, including the main villain, and they still managed some amazing sexism, like having the female leads stuck in the space ship for most of one season, or scripts from a writer named Ben Steed- who never wrote for who, but hoo boy the gender-politics in his stories have not dated at all well.
Also funny, having other actors for Ben and Polly who look nothing like the originals, and for some reason Ben is suddenly way taller than Polly (anneke Wills was noticeably taller than Michael Craze)
Gonna try for another watch of at least Capaldi's era before Season 11. On balance, you'd have to say much of his run was solid, only a few outright stinkers (borderline unwatchable) but also very very highlights. The best and worst stories were mostly in Season 8, 9 was solid but often dull, 10 was solid but often dull and rerunning a lot of concepts (Two part finale was pretty, pretty good). I'm glad Capaldi's and Moffat's last contribution to the show were so good (especially when you look back at Tennant's and Smith's last shows).
I'm hoping they do another Dr Who experience to coincide with Whittaker's Doctor. I'd make the trip to Cardiff again for that.
jk
anywho, more thoughts
"Brilliant" is a great opening line. So joyful.
some more reflections on the Christmas special:
I personally was surprised at how good the special was since many of the specials from the Moffat years have been Doctor Who versions of Willy Wonka. I feel it was his best Xmas special (though Christmas Carol and Last Christmas were both really good), nowhere near the level of awful of Time of the Doctor, the awful widow one and or otherwise good special ruined by snow melted by tears bullshit of the Snowmen.
1st Doctor wasn't really ever sexist or all that patronising (a little overprotective of his Granddaughter but he didn't lock the women in the TARDIS). Pertwee's Doctor was often patronising towards Jo and Sarah but he was patronising to everyone. The writers and producers of the original run be considered sexist but the Doctor himself rarely was. I think they managed to avoid using "is it because I'm a woman?" that male writers used a lot in the 70s and 80s. Blake's 7, another show I love, had half the cast be female, including the main villain, and they still managed some amazing sexism, like having the female leads stuck in the space ship for most of one season, or scripts from a writer named Ben Steed- who never wrote for who, but hoo boy the gender-politics in his stories have not dated at all well.
Also funny, having other actors for Ben and Polly who look nothing like the originals, and for some reason Ben is suddenly way taller than Polly (anneke Wills was noticeably taller than Michael Craze)
Gonna try for another watch of at least Capaldi's era before Season 11. On balance, you'd have to say much of his run was solid, only a few outright stinkers (borderline unwatchable) but also very very highlights. The best and worst stories were mostly in Season 8, 9 was solid but often dull, 10 was solid but often dull and rerunning a lot of concepts (Two part finale was pretty, pretty good). I'm glad Capaldi's and Moffat's last contribution to the show were so good (especially when you look back at Tennant's and Smith's last shows).
I'm hoping they do another Dr Who experience to coincide with Whittaker's Doctor. I'd make the trip to Cardiff again for that.
Posted in the Xmas thread by accident.
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This comes out in February and you're damn right I'm getting it.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077RG1813/?tag=era0f0-20
Doctor Who: Complete Peter Capaldi Years
Blu-ray
I haven't picked up any of the Capaldi Blu-Rays so that's mighty tempting.
Hmmm. I'm not a native english speaker but usually I never have any issues understanding anything, accents included. We have some weird ones in dutch too. I still don't get how I'm supposed to make out "Oh, brilliant" from Jodie's first line though, it's annoying to have had that moment ruined by my own limitations. I thought it'd click with me knowing what she says but it still sounds more like "Berlin" to me than anything resembling the word brilliant... Someone please explain that accent to me. :(
It wasn't really the accent that was the problem, it was all the noise happening when she said it that kind of muddled it up. My friend couldn't place Jodie's first line either until I told him what she said. Don't worry, you'll be fine when the actual season starts. :)
I hope you're right, but it's concerning to me that I still can't make it out. I'm just so worried I won't be able to understand our next Doctor! Haha.
But I suppose it's just one word. Yeah, I'm going to hope I'll be able to understand her just fine once we're dealing with the actual season.
You're definitely not alone - when Capaldi first started, people (even in the UK!) had trouble understanding him too!
My advice is that if it does end up being an issue, watch with captions on for a few episodes until you get their speech pattern down and it should click for you.
I never had trouble with Capaldi though! But yeah, captions if necessary sound like a plan. I'll adapt to the accent after a while. :)
Realistically, for non uk peeps, if Eccleston, McCoy and Capaldi weren't an issue for you, I doubt Whittaker will be. She'll have an accent but she's an actress, and will know how to speak clearly..
She has a Yorkshire accent, but if you've been fine with Eccleston, Tennant, and Capaldi, you should be fine with her.
Thanks! That does make me feel better about it. (Still not hearing the "brilliant" though.)
Did you see this version where the soundtrack was stripped out?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRyxL53Oavo
Nope! That's neat. But it didn't help. I think the lack of a "t" sound really throws me off for some reason.
Honestly, the Cybermen in general are a scary concept and I've never understood how they resonate with kids. World Enough and Time is just as horrifying but in a completely different way.
I'm a native English speaker. but even I had to use captions to follow Rab C Nesbitt, which is set in Govan. I could seldom make it through a whole episode unaided.
I think that region is probably the toughest regional accent we've had yet, so I won't be surprised if we get a lot of non-Brits having to turn on some subtitles, but it is what it is, really. She's got a magnificent voice, anyway. God help non-Brits if one day they cast a Brummie! (Would've always loved to have seen Adrian Lester in the role with his natural Birmingham accent, ha.)
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I sometimes have problems understanding any of the characters because the soundmix is just awful on any TV I try to watch Doctor Who on and sometimes the music will just be louder than the dialog.
Ratings news: 6th for the night with a little over 5.6 million, and it beat everything on ITV! That's great, though it is in part because it was a diabolically bad Christmas spread on TV anyway - Who was IMO by far the most interesting thing on. Good to see Who within striking distance of the day's biggest, though, and beating Corrie is a pretty big win in itself.
AI is 81, which is fairly low - most other things were in the 84-86 range, with Mrs. Brown's Boys scoring a wholly undeserved 88. Anything over 80 is considered good, however. I feel like Capaldi's era has always scored a few points lower than it should've, but also this was quite introspective and subdued, and self-referential. Fully expect we'll get a very self-enclosed Christmas special next year in a Voyage of the Damned vein.
AI is 81, which is fairly low - most other things were in the 84-86 range, with Mrs. Brown's Boys scoring a wholly undeserved 88. Anything over 80 is considered good, however. I feel like Capaldi's era has always scored a few points lower than it should've, but also this was quite introspective and subdued, and self-referential. Fully expect we'll get a very self-enclosed Christmas special next year in a Voyage of the Damned vein.
I'm wondering, is the "sometimes, children can hear the name" thing the most significant thing a Doctor has ever said that was taken directly from the actor? That entire little speech is lifted almost verbatim from an answer Capaldi gave at a comic con at some point when someone asked him what the Doctor's name is. What other examples of this do we have?
Not an actor, but an example of 'not in the show being put in the show':
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/2KWlW7Fd4q8fNmBy2JBJ3rG/twice-upon-a-time-the-fact-file
Yeah, I always wonder what Dicks makes of that. He must be proud. It's a shame he hasn't had much involvement with the modern show - he wrote the novelization of a Sarah Jane Adventures episode, and original 10/Martha stories with the Judoon and the Lumic Cybermen, so he obviously does keep up with it, or did. I suppose he's in his eighties now but maybe he'll contribute once more at some point, I hope.
I finally just saw this and it wrecked me a little bit. Capaldi's one of a kind.
I liked the DW Tardis logo thing, which I guess is dead now. I think for me it goes Smith-era logo > Capaldi-era logo > that one for Whittaker > RTD-era logo.
Don't really have any nostalgia for 80s-era Who, so that logo (especially the slanted H) doesn't do anything for me. But if you guys like it, I'm happy for ya!
Hm I'm not a proper expert when it comes to Classic Who, but it really doesn't look look much like an 80s era Who logo to me to be honest. The slanted H was first used for the Pertwee era as far as I'm aware, and that's a logo they have been using as a general Doctor Who logo to this day. Personally I associate that one with Big Finish if anything!
THAT'S what I remember it from - Big Finish covers. That makes a ton of sense.
The classic Who DVDs too. And I just remembered they used it for those series 1 - 4 bluray releases so I suppose it has even been associated with the new series now. So yeah, very much the default one.
I like the new logo. Yeah the one in the post above is the Pertwee one for seasons 7-10 in the earlu 70s and they resused a version of it for the TV Movie and it stuck for marketing stuff for a while.
Top row- Hartnell, Troughton, Pertwee
Second Row- Pertwee/Tom Baker, Tom Baker/Davison/Colin Baker, McCoy,
Third Row: Eccleston/Tennant, Smith/Capaldi (with vairations)
Top row- Hartnell, Troughton, Pertwee
Second Row- Pertwee/Tom Baker, Tom Baker/Davison/Colin Baker, McCoy,
Third Row: Eccleston/Tennant, Smith/Capaldi (with vairations)
