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Man who taught dog Nazi salute found guilty of hate crime
- Thread starter EightBitNate
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But you haven't because you still haven't posted any proof that you claims are correct. I even did a google search of "Mark Meechan deport mexicans" and found nothing about that.
User Banned (1 Week): For false equivalencies surrounding Nazism and a pattern of downplaying hate movements.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12139150
So to combat so-called "Nazis" like this guy, we're basically doing what the Nazis did.
"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster"
So to combat so-called "Nazis" like this guy, we're basically doing what the Nazis did.
"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster"
It's Markus Meechan (or he goes by this primarily). His twitter is full of 4chan edgy shit, but this sentencing isn't to do with his twitter account but the single video explicitly.
I think the UK has actually blocked the video now, possibly due to this court case
Mirror here
That argument gets shouted out so many times whenever this shit comes up. Seen it everywhere.
It doesn't have to taint the rest of us living in the EU, that's what.
Are you going to answer my question whether you think that "bad comedy" should warrant an arrest or not?
I just posted it on the same page dude https://twitter.com/CountDankulaTV/status/959118383986946051?s=20
Ah, Coatbridge. Not far from me and I place I totally avoid.
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It's shitty for him to have people "salty" about it (forcibly being removed my home sure would get me "salty") but it doesn't look like he did any of the reporting himself like you claimed.
Sorry wasn't ignoring you I just missed that one. It wasn't just "bad comedy" though was it? Is was a racist and anti Semitic act perpetrated under the guise of "humour" and going by the mans history was likely more than simply him trying to annoy his girlfriend. So, to answer your question, yes he should have been arrested.
So you do believe intent is important, despite saying it isn't before? Do you feel the link I posted earlier should be a criminal offense?
Can't help but feel happy. Seen his destiny debate and oh boi I just have no hope for people like that their stupidity is actually criminal.
The court isn't evaluating his history, they are evaluating the video alone.
He's signal boosting it to try and get them deported but he's letting his followers do it for him, I still count that as trying to get them deported. They do this a lot, quote tweet someone doing something but never directly do it yourself so your angry followers will do it for you and you can claim "Well it wasn't me and I cant control my fans."
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Erm, only 16 conutries (almost all of them european) punish people for holocaust denial. Majority of the world, including Norway and Denmark, have no problem with you denying holocaust.
racism and nazi jokes are not "jokes" its another platform to to spread hate. Everyone asking for proof of him being a nazi isnt going to be satisfied until someone is dead, is how people get killed by this shit.
Throw them in jail, punch them in the face, make lives of people who spread hate as hard as you can make them is the only way to stop them.
The analogy doesn't work because you presume a direct link between less restricted speech and more racial issues.
I don't know if any research demonstrating the positive influence of freer speech (and I'm not sure how you could isolate it to the extent you would have to to do that). I think history and study of human nature and societies however supports the idea that limiting a population's ability to publicly discuss a thing a) doesn't lessen its prevalence and b) restricts a population's ability to identify these problems and treat them as the symptoms they are and actually address the causes.
He is a bit of a cunt, but him being a cunt shouldn't be correlated as "only people I like have rights in the eyes of the state".
When the courts act like North Korea with intent/context you get stupid shit like this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Joke_Trial
I agree with the judge earlier saying what you put out there can have consequences, but a court of law shouldn't be above "intent/context" by stating "we simply decide". That's veering into the often "misused" lingo of "thought-crime".
Losing your job, being shunned, going viral and being lambasted are all social consequences but having the state convict you and put you on trial is a whole different realm. One where intent/context SHOULD be the thing that saves you from jail/having a criminal record.
He's not advocating for violence or persecution in the video, it's clearly done for shock value. It's obviously stupid and in poor taste but I don't see why either should be considered criminal.
Wow you got me! Clever old you...the issue is the video, it is racist and anti Semitic, it is clear cut and you trying to undermine it as bad comedy is disingenuous. You are right, bringing in his past clouded the issue and I apologise.
I'm honestly a bit flabbergasted over the response in the same way I was flabbergasted when people started calling the ACLU alt-right. Free expression becoming a partisan issue with it being more supported by the side I ideologically oppose in every other way is madness.
Yup, another example of this very same law being abused for situations which are clearly poor attempts at humor and not actual threats.
Off thead subject but I had to reply to this.
This isn't true. At least not in America.
This isn't true. At least not in America.
https://www.splcenter.org/news/2017...secutive-year-trump-electrifies-radical-right
Yes he is . At the very least he's sympathetic to their cause. Racism should never be tolerated. Stop defending this. Is this a hill you want to die on?
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It's fine if you see it that way but I think most people would like to make the distinction themselves.
Making a "humorous" (differs on opinion) joke relating to Nazis does not equal being a Nazi.
I guess Pewdiepie should be arrested and be considered a Nazi now too, based on what people say in this thread.
That doesn't mean that there are more people overall who hold those views, rather more of the people who hold those views feel comfortable and able to publically express them.
Are you trying to tell me that letting racists/homophobes/etc. say whatever they want isn't working???
I agree, except I would change "them" to "you." If we're going to throw people in jail for crimethink, let's start with the censors first. Then we'll sort things out from there.
Yeah, they feel more comfortable expressing them so they're clearly withering! Come on SG. Its okay to admit when you're wrong.
uh.... What you're proposing sounds like exactly what the Nazis did - but hey, I guess it's okay when we're the ones doing it, amirite!
As PDP is in the UK (I only discovered this last year on GAF, I always thought he was in America), you would have to ask why did his "Kill all Jews" video not result in him being arrested under the communications act for being "grossly offensive"?
He received some, but arguably not enough, social/employment repercussions, but the UK police did not arrest? Why not? Would they argue he made an offensive... joke, so context/intent was apparent there, but then, why not here when this dumb ass opens with explaining why he was doing what he did?
PDP said he was doing it to see if he could pay something like $5 for a highly offensive banner, Meechan said he was doing it as it was the least cute thing imaginable to piss off his girlfriend. The UK courts would have to explain to us why context/intent only matters in one of these cases?
Alright so at least we've all gotten past the "he's seems like a nice guy" phase into "Well at least he's not a full blown nazi" phase. Like guys I agree the sentencing is bad but please stop falling for the spin of "He was just a good citizen going about his life until the out of control nanny state put him behind bars."
I can barely hear what this guy is even saying. What's the joke?
I remember this case when it was discussed back on GAF. A lot of users were angry she was even charged. Cannot see how you can be angry about that yet be totally cool with this.
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How many people are saying that and not "it shouldn't be the government's job to punish people for bad jokes"
why are people going to die on a hill for this dirtbag
he's a racist
if he's debating Destiny
he's a fucking racist. He didn't stumble onto Destinys skype on accident and decided to have a nice debate.
my god, some people
he's a racist
if he's debating Destiny
he's a fucking racist. He didn't stumble onto Destinys skype on accident and decided to have a nice debate.
my god, some people