You're right. The person you quoted sounds more like a Nazi than the people who say "Gas Jews" and "Heil Hitler." Thanks for pointing that out for us.
Man who taught dog Nazi salute found guilty of hate crime
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You're right. The person you quoted sounds more like a Nazi than the people who say "Gas Jews" and "Heil Hitler." Thanks for pointing that out for us.
That's not up to you to define what is and isn't a joke
That is probably the worst and most blatant Kafka Trap i've ever saw on the internet. Quite an achievment!
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If you think he poses a legitimate danger to people and that has been displayed before, that's different, but it also means he should be prosecuted for that and not this.
I'll ask again, do you feel this should be a criminal offense:
Because according to many here, racism/hate/offensive comments against whites are fine, but terrible towards other races.
EDIT: Extreme comment. I apologize. I don't know if I should leave it up or take it down, but I realize I was kind of generalizing too much here.
Huh, Kafka Trap? Never heard of that. Let me see.
To accuse someone of some form of "ism" (sexism, racism etc.) and to proclaim that their denial, or any attempt they make to defend themselves, is proof that they are guilty. A favorite tactic of the social justice warrior.
Oh. I see.
I'm not wrong.
It's better to have them in the light. Its better to be able to always see them than forget about them because they exist in the shadows.
Government agencies can more easily identify hate groups to watch. Bigots can be identified readily and exposed to their families, their employers, the world. There is a reckoning coming.
This line of conversation had drifted away from that specifically tbh
I don't really follow. Is this guy genuinely white supremacist nazi crap, or is it just a case of "just a prank bro" gone real bad?
Depends on who you ask, but it seems that the truth is that it was meant to be an edgy joke to piss off his girlfriend and went viral.
Freedom of Speech seems to always be used as an argument to allow white supremacists the right to say whatever they want. Many of those bitching about this, would absolutely lose their collective heads if Islamist and ISIS sympathisers were allowed the ability to gather, and publicly march like what happened in Charlottesville. Imagine them marching with that black banner, tikka torches, and with police protection. Any chance of Trump stating that there are fine people amongst them? Lol
If Islamists can't use freedom of speech as an excuse to fling their shit, neither should extremists of any flavour.
If Islamists can't use freedom of speech as an excuse to fling their shit, neither should extremists of any flavour.
I certainly think it's worth questioning the value of going going through a trial/a potential prison sentence for what he stands accused of.
I doubt he'll get a custodial sentence though - be a bit ludicrous if so.
Yes, teaching a pug to do a nazi salute for the lulz is exactly like ISIS marching in the streets...
I'm pretty sure this was basically debunked over the last couple of years. While a normal person is coming up with real arguments and talking about why racism is bad, the Nazi is using the debate and the platform to spread propaganda like "it's not bad to be white! Why do you hate white people?!?"
And how many people marched against them? 1000 times as many? More?
Ok, I was finally able to hear what the guys were saying and...this really isn't a joke or a comedy at all. It's just a bunch of guys saying that Harelquinn Babies look funny. It's...it's not comedy.
It's just that I see comments like this:
"White AMERICAN culture is taking things from other cultures and passing it off as your own. Can't speak about any others tho."
And I can't help but think this is kind of a sweeping generalization about white people in general, and can be seen as kinda offensive (but not very offensive.
And I say this as someone who isn't white.
I'm talking in general because there has been discussion in this thread between American speech rules and those of Europe and other countries.
As for him, I think this idiot would have been shunned by the public when the video went viral. The government shouldn't have intervened.
I hope you're not implying that pointing out fallacious unfalsifiable argument is somehow an alt-right/nazi rhetoric, are you?
Find me a post where someone actually said this though or something blatantly racist against white people where they weren't banned/ called out by the entire next 2 pages for being racist.
How the fuck is that similar to "many people here being ok with racism against white people?"
Honestly, if a dog raises its paw at me, I would just think it's been trained to give a handshake. If you didn't really want people to know that you're training your dog to be a Nazi it would be pretty easy to get them to do the salute without anything being any the wiser.
Anyway, jokes that are built on a complete lack of sensitivity to the suffering of marginalized groups aren't really any more innocent than so called "real racism". Fuck this guy.
Anyway, jokes that are built on a complete lack of sensitivity to the suffering of marginalized groups aren't really any more innocent than so called "real racism". Fuck this guy.
that video was fuckin gross
i don't what i expected, but still
i understand that jailtime maybe an extreme punishment, but I am sick of running into little kids screaming these exact phrases the guy taught his dog because they heard the 'jokes' from him and other youtubers like him.
actions have consequences and its becoming harder and harder for me to empathize w/ people making these kinds of 'mistakes' in this digital age
i don't what i expected, but still
i understand that jailtime maybe an extreme punishment, but I am sick of running into little kids screaming these exact phrases the guy taught his dog because they heard the 'jokes' from him and other youtubers like him.
actions have consequences and its becoming harder and harder for me to empathize w/ people making these kinds of 'mistakes' in this digital age
Yes. There's a brief case history of Section 127 of the Communications Act at the following URL:
https://wiki.openrightsgroup.org/wiki/Communications_Act_2003/Section_127
My own feeling is currently that there is a case for prosecution here, primarily because of the very wide circulation of this extremely antisemitic content. I would prefer to see YouTube taking action to remove such content before it gains a popular following.
It perpetuates racism so I have no issue with the outcome here.
Don't teach anyone the Nazi salute, not even your damn dog.
lol
(nazi pug)
The Paul Chambers one was what I posted earlier, I'll check the others out
The Bahar Mustafa one is the hashtag about killing white men which was also posted already I think.
It's honestly kind of worrisome how many people agree with this verdict. That signals to me that the people posting this comic:
never really believed it. You can't mock "freeze peach" and then turn around and be cool with government intervention. Social consequences, employment consequences, etc; all fair game. But legal consequences for an offensive joke? Nah, fuck that.
well said
nazis are real and are killing people and have been for decades. They are getting an uptick in violence because taking them as jokes is their intent as they push public perception of them as "free speech" while more people keep ending up dead.
THIS ISNT CRIMETHINK. its giving a loud speaker to hitlers ideology and killing jews.
funny how one gets to choose to be a nazi but jews will always be jews and blacks will be black. but hey if you want to protect fucking assholes be my guest.
If you joke about killing jews or blacks in front of me, we have a fucking problem. if you want to sit on the sidelines until people end up dead, fine by me, but you are might as well be one yourself at that point. Nazi are killing people in america and else where.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...acabre-neo-nazi-group/?utm_term=.8f444cf088b5
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/us/charlottesville-nazi-kkk-attacks.html
https://www.npr.org/2018/03/06/590292705/5-killings-3-states-and-1-common-neo-nazi-link
we cannot joke about being a nazi and or killing jews in this current climate. Its giving pass to the real assholes who are and are planning to do more.
I realize it's not, that's why I edited my post and apologized. It's just an example of a generalization.
This is direct from a thread on here, but I don't want to link it cause I don't want any hate coming to the person who said it.
Are you Father Ted?
When it comes to comedy/satire/jokes at the very least intent and context have to matter around Government/state intervention. Social repercussions can happen at will as and when (rightfully ~ Such as your employer firing you for offensive public content), but this case is primarily about the Government charging a citizen with a crime/potentially removing rights (house arrest and/or jail time).
A joke is a joke, even if the person saying it is reprehensible.
If this guy's employer wanted to fire him, or his GF left him, that's fine. Good, even.
The government stepping in and arresting people for making bad jokes seems like a terrible idea.
He takes the piss out of everyone. Trans Don't need a special exemption.
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Of course it should, anything that perpetuates hate like this has no place anywhere.
Its certainly a unique take on bypassing something that is forbidden for humans. But i doubt a dog has a concept of the salute.
I mean, its tasteless, don't get me wrong. But its a bit in the same category as a parrot saying offensive things because it was taught to. The parrot does not know what it really says, but you can definitely say the person who taught the parrot this is pushing it.
A good case to test laws upon.
I mean, its tasteless, don't get me wrong. But its a bit in the same category as a parrot saying offensive things because it was taught to. The parrot does not know what it really says, but you can definitely say the person who taught the parrot this is pushing it.
A good case to test laws upon.
This is similar to what Keir Starmer said in one of the cases highlighted in that page:
... the question for the CPS is not whether it was offensive, but whether it was so grossly offensive that criminal charges should be brought. The distinction is an important one and not easily made. Context and circumstances are highly relevant and as the European Court of Human Rights observed in the case of Handyside v UK (1976), the right to freedom of expression includes the right to say things or express opinions "…that offend, shock or disturb the state or any sector of the population"[35]
https://wiki.openrightsgroup.org/wiki/Communications_Act_2003/Section_127#Statistics
And the UK in a post-Brexit era wants to rip up the EU Human Rights bill and do their own. The same Government who want to make porn pretty much illegal. Although this has happened in the Scottish Courts, but even with any devolved powers, the charge is still coming under a UK communications act.
I hope this is the case that gets the British public to demand some sort of statutory free speech protection, and in 200 years there are statues of "Count Dankula" in city squares
Then your "radical view" is that rights don't exist and the rule of law should be discarded. I wish that were, in fact, a radical view.
Maybe this is time for you to support Scottish Independence Quiche? *wink* *wink*
But no, no CD statues. I'd rather have an Alex Salmond statue.