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Who will win?

  • King Push

    Votes: 782 63.2%
  • 6 God

    Votes: 172 13.9%
  • OVO Sweatshop

    Votes: 123 9.9%
  • EGHCK!

    Votes: 160 12.9%

  • Total voters
    1,237

NinjaScooter

Member
Oct 25, 2017
54,193
Actually it's both. A lot of those 14/15 year olds that sell drugs also do it for the quick money and notoriety it brings them as well. I've personally lived through this and made it out eventually. It's such a messed up thing to be around and a lot of these kids don't need to start to begin with but are greatly influenced by their peers in the neighbourhoods they grow up in.

In those cases it's been normalized, which is another issue. The low level drug trade exists because of desperate people without a lot of other options. Does this music, to a certain extent, glamorize it? I think so, going all the way back to Ice Cube, I think there was an element of that, but bootleggers and pirates (mostly white ones) have been glamorized by American culture since the country began. Artists like Quentin Tarantino and Martin Scorcese glamourize the same kind of violence and crime, expect noboby puts the well-being of an entire culture at their feet over it. The things Pusha and others make music about, even if they glorify it to a certain extent, is a symptom, not the cause.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,819
Drake grew up in Canada......as an Actor for a popular Teen TV show. I grew up around some hard people. I grew up around some old school Hip Hop heads who saw Hip Hop as the Hood's CNN. Rappers are just reporting their world view. Sure it sounds cool but we're celebrating how strong these individuals are. When you view them as cool you view them as cool because the music is tough and therefore they are tough. Just like kids love Superman and Batman.

Because they are bad asses. All other context is lost on them until they get older and start to process what makes them great beyond the ability to punch things.

I get this. I understand this. I grew up in BedStuy.

But hip hop definitely became a "if you never sold drugs or killed someone you ain't hard or cool" exclusive club for a while which subverts what you are trying to say.

Heck in your reply you've already clowned Drake for growing up in Canada and not having a hard life.

Ex gf loved 50 cent back in the day cuz he got shot 9 times and survived. Thought her Ex bf was cool cause he got shot once. Misfortune and hardship became some kinda rite of passage in hip hop.

Glad people like Ye helped to buck this trend but it still permeates hip hop.
 

Swauny Jones

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,863
1. Hip hop n the black community isn't made up of just kids. Even still I grew up n NC n even as kids we knew what was really going on out here. Guess if you know you know.

2. Drake didn't grow up in this country. He is a Canadian child actor. Lots of mixed kids grow up black because in America if you have one drop you are considered black by ppl who hate black ppl.

No comment on the hard vs soft cuz I'm not entirely sure where you are trying to say it comes from exactly.

The same thing applies in Canada. There is a ton of racism here that goes undocumented. Drake was just fortunate enough to grow up in one of the wealthiest communities in the city.
 

T'Challa Shakur

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,487
Toronto
I get this. I understand this. I grew up in BedStuy.

But hip hop definitely became a "if you never sold drugs or killed someone you ain't hard or cool" exclusive club for a while which subverts what you are trying to say.

Heck in your reply you've already clowned Drake for growing up in Canada and not having a hard life.

Ex gf loved 50 cent back in the day cuz he got shot 9 times and survived. Thought her Ex bf was cool cause he got shot once. Misfortune and hardship became some kinda rite of passage in hip hop.

Glad people like Ye helped to buck this trend but it still permeates hip hop.


I only brought up Drake's history because you said being a mixed man growing up in America. Race in America and Race in Canada are two different things.
 

NinjaScooter

Member
Oct 25, 2017
54,193
Not everyone that sell drugs does it because they have to. I know people personally that did it because it was easy money. Their thought was why work a 9 to 5 for minimum wage when I could sling some dope and make more money. True, the lack of opportunity and poverty doesn't help. But let's not pretend like a lot of people that did it didn't have a choice or were just innocent bystanders.

Let's not act like a couple of anecdotes represent the drug trade in this country as a whole either. I'm not saying they are innocent bystanders. I'm saying they grow up in an environment where selling drugs is as normal as getting a job at McDonalds. Where the things that come with that, the crime, the run ins with police, the danger, are all normalized to a certain extent. Saying "the lack of opportunity and poverty doesn't help" as if it's just some secondary concern, and not the entire reason the drug trade in this country exists, is simply not reality.
 

Gordon Shumway

Self-Requested Ban
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,658
Melmac
Nah, he just needs to call Nardwuar.

giphy.webp
 
Dec 9, 2017
720
IDK who's trying to handwaved it but Drake in Blackface is not okay........

Everybody in this damn thread & on the internet knows that shit was taken out of context.

Can we please cut the theatrics? please?

Black people been coming at drake for the simple fact that he's lightskinned...now they're using this blackface photoshoot as ammunition, to try and prove something. Stop.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,819
I only brought up Drake's history because you said being a mixed man growing up in America. Race in America and Race in Canada are two different things.

Listening to Drake's 6PM in New York tells us that he experienced the confusion of growing up mixed race. Whether Canada or America, he went through it.

And before yall accuse me of being a Drake stan, I got no dog in this fight. Love Pusha T especially as a featured artist.

Know all his verses from MBDTF and still bump Lord Willin'to this day
 

Noctis

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,387
New York City
Drake fans feeling some type of way, the man got bodied. He better come with the heat cause bar for bar in a battle drake can't hang with this man.
 

jmood88

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,475
Everybody in this damn thread & on the internet knows that shit was taken out of context.

Can we please cut the theatrics? please?

Black people been coming at drake for the simple fact that he's lightskinned...now they're using this blackface photoshoot as ammunition, to try and prove something. Stop.
What was the context?
 
Oct 29, 2017
959
Listening to Drake's 6PM in New York tells us that he experienced the confusion of growing up mixed race. Whether Canada or America, he went through it.

And before yall accuse me of being a Drake stan, I got no dog in this fight. Love Pusha T especially as a featured artist.

Know all his verses from MBDTF and still bump Lord Willin'to this day
Meh who knows who wrote those bars.

Seriously tho ppl aren't saying some mixed kids don't feel that way. Just largely in America mixed kids identify black mainly because they didn't grow up in rich white neighborhoods like drake did. Most of them don't have those sorta issues.
 

Commanderbuck

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
732
Everybody in this damn thread & on the internet knows that shit was taken out of context.

Can we please cut the theatrics? please?

Black people been coming at drake for the simple fact that he's lightskinned...now they're using this blackface photoshoot as ammunition, to try and prove something. Stop.
Come on you know blackface isn't cool. If anything Drake had a pass, I really don't know if there is anything he can say to excuse that.
 

litebrite

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
21,832
Everybody in this damn thread & on the internet knows that shit was taken out of context.

Can we please cut the theatrics? please?

Black people been coming at drake for the simple fact that he's lightskinned...now they're using this blackface photoshoot as ammunition, to try and prove something. Stop.
I hope you're Black trying to make this claim because as a light skinned Black American I find this hilarious.
 

DigitalOp

Member
Nov 16, 2017
9,292
Everybody in this damn thread & on the internet knows that shit was taken out of context.

Can we please cut the theatrics? please?

Black people been coming at drake for the simple fact that he's lightskinned...now they're using this blackface photoshoot as ammunition, to try and prove something. Stop.

Fuck are you talking about STAN.

Who wears black paint on they face with red ass lips for any reason?

Get real
 

FeenixRisen

McDonalds looks really average next to Wendys
Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,487
Y'all arguing with an obvious member of Drake's OVO street team.

I just want know how much he paying you
 

litebrite

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
21,832
Fuck are you talking about STAN.

Who wears black paint on they face with red ass lips for any reason?

Get real
Plus if the context was satire like the film Bamboozled people would get the context. However it looks like it was merely an ad to sell fashion apparrel. I'm certain 31 year old Drake would've told 21 year old Drake, "Don't do it".
 

gogosox82

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,385
Everybody in this damn thread & on the internet knows that shit was taken out of context.

Can we please cut the theatrics? please?

Black people been coming at drake for the simple fact that he's lightskinned...now they're using this blackface photoshoot as ammunition, to try and prove something. Stop.

Blackface is a bad look full stop. Doesn't really matter what the context was.
 

VeePs

Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,371
http://m.tmz.com/2018/05/30/drake-pusha-t-baby-diss-track-revealed-adonis/

TMZ put out the text messages where Drake was begging Sophie to abort the baby

Damn. For anyone that doesn't want to click the link, here's the text:

Drake: I want you to have an abortion.

Brussaux: I can't kill my baby simply to indulge you sorry.

Drake: Indulge me? F*** you.

Brussaux: What?

Drake: You do know what you're doing you think you're going to get money.

She says she's having a girl.

We reached out to Drake's people, who say, "This woman has a very questionable background. She has admitted to having multiple relationships. We understand she may have problems getting into the United States. She's one of many women claiming he got them pregnant."

The rep goes on, "If it is in fact Drake's child, which he does not believe, he would do the right thing by the child."

The rep says he has no idea whether the purported text message is even real or out of context because they haven't seen the actual text.

The rep says Brussaux had sex with another big rapper at the same time as Drake, adding the other rapper has all but acknowledged it's his kid.
 

jakoo

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,112
MS Society Responds to Pusha T

Eileen Curran, Senior Director National PR/Media for the National MS Society, said, "It's troubling to hear that a person's disability would be made fun of by others. Multiple sclerosis, which affects more than 2.3 million people worldwide, is an often misunderstood disease. People living with MS face many challenges every day, which is why it's so important to continue to raise awareness for MS so others can better understand those challenges. We at the National MS Society see this as an opportunity to raise awareness of this disease, the people who live with it, and the support that is out there – especially since today is World MS Day."

Eileen Curran: when is the response track dropping?
 

NameUser

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,040

Finally had time to listen to this. Yup, Pusha did the right thing because now he'll have to answer for this shit during the next album cycle. Fuck the ghostwriting. That blackface shit made me lose all respect for Drake. He'll keep his pop fans, but he'll probably never be taken seriously again by most hip-hop fans.
 

DigitalOp

Member
Nov 16, 2017
9,292
Plus if the context was satire like the film Bamboozled people would get the context. However it looks like it was merely an ad to sell fashion apparrel. I'm certain 31 year old Drake would've told 21 year old Drake, "Don't do it".

Exactly, I chalked it up to him being young and dumb if anything... But it's still not a cute look. It's pretty fucking embarrassing at the least.

Just don't come at me with that black vs lightskin shit, wtf. Don't put that one me, I don't fuck with that at all. What petty Stan ass defense honestly.

The community needs to learn how criticize our public figures. I get it, we get targeted from all angles so we get protective, but we need to call out the shitty stuff that's going on and stop downplaying and handwaving
 
Oct 25, 2017
41,368
Miami, FL
Exactly, I chalked it up to him being young and dumb if anything... But it's still not a cute look. It's pretty fucking embarrassing at the least.

Just don't come at me with that black vs lightskin shit, wtf. Don't put that one me, I don't fuck with that at all. What petty Stan ass defense honestly.

The community needs to learn how criticize our public figures. I get it, we get targeted from all angles so we get protective, but we need to call out the shitty stuff that's going on and stop downplaying and handwaving
yep.