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The Last Of Us Part 2 Gameplay Reveal
- Thread starter Strafer
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I don't disagree about the combat not being evolved all to much, but it does look to be more refined over the first game. As for It not being realistic for Ellie to not being capable of taken out these guys, I call bull! Ellie train at a military academy for a bit and pick up a few tricks from Joel who is a season survivor himself, so it makes complete sense that she is capable of fighting off a group of people...
Are naughty gods about to out do god of war?
It doesn't take long for Sony's first/second party to outdo each other...
2013 The Last of Us -ND
2013 Beyond Two Souls - QD
2013 Gran Turismo 6 - PD
2013 Killzone Shadow Fall - GG
2014 inFamous Second Son - SP
2014 Driveclub - Evolution
2015 The Order 1886 - RAD
2016 Ratchet and Clank - Insomniac
2016 Uncharted 4 - ND
2017 Horizon Zero Dawn - GG
2017 Uncharted The Lost Legacy - ND
2017 Gran Turismo Sport - PD
2018 God of War - SM
2018 Detroit - QD
Obviously some are more impressive than others, Horizon is an Open World game, The Order and Detroit are narrative linear games, GT Sport runs at 60fps over Driveclub's 30fps visuals.
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Very nice read. This was more rich and deeper dive in the game and everything important for us right now than panel, dev commentary and so on.
I just hope they made a documentary again (noclip wouls be great).
Cheers to you and your team neil, i am ready for everything you throw at me.
Amazing interview and I loving what I'm hearing about the story! The one that stick out to me was what neil said about how thier is a fates worse then death. Just gives me the feeling that whatever happens to the people that Ellie cares about (Dina, Jesse, & Joel) is not gonna be Thier deaths, witch could be great or bad. Seriously all of this sounds great! The last of us is gonna do what the walking dead tv series can't.
No man
Just watch their other reactions on for example Cyberpunk, they applauded afterwards and RE2, and other games.
After TLOU2 they didnt say anything or show any emotion actually and silently went straight to the next trailer. The video doesnt lie.
But good for everyone that got really excited about the trailer.
Not everyone needs to like everything.
I don't know what you said but that explanation Neil gave was pretty obvious and it's what they usually do for their presentations.
What did you say that people didn't believe? Because I think most people already knew everything he said? Besides those who thought it was all entirely faked of course.
I essentially said that since this game is still in development and a ways off from release that the demo is likely highly scripted included animation playback that wouldn't exist in the final product but represents a gameplay concept that they plan on implementing.
Can someone post other highlights in this?
Can't view without a login i guess
Where does it say that animations are faked/playbacked and won't exists in final game? You're twisting their words to fit your own narrative. All I read is they play it a lot and chose the one which showed maximum amount of systems then rehearsed it again and again, almost exactly like what I said before. The stuff like running out bullets, getting discovered, missing headshots, missing dodge so you have exactly a sliver of health by the end. This stuff is rehearsed, not the bloody animation playback.
Exactly. But of course he'd take it the other way, completely misconstruing what Neil was even saying, and simultaneously the fundamental reality of how ND gameplay trailers are even made.
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That was the case with both TLOU and Uncharted 4. I don't think you realize how scripted e3 demos can be because the game isn't finished, it's not just down to choreographed actions:. For example, literally every bullet fired by enemies in this demo is a scripted moment because the AI wasn't done:
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I don't know what animation playback means, but if you are saying they created animations specifically to fit this gameplay demo then yeah (the ending one for example).
I don't see why people should be wary of it though, I assume that in the final versions we'll have a variation of those that will be used contextually depending on the enviornment. It doesn't make the gameplay fake or anything (mechanically, what you are doing with your character).
Maybe don't extrapolate what happened in this extreme and outlier case with how ND or countless other studios do these sorts of gameplay demos, and how Neil himself has described how they do things? You basically ignored what Neil said and misconstrued it to fit your favoured narrative.
For the record, that Bioshock Infinite demo was rather famous for being particularly egregious when it came to downgrades and the final game playing completely different to it.
I didn't say that people should be wary of it. It's basically a necessity.
Yes I agree, I don't even know how anything he said was confirmed by Neil, actually sounds ridiculous how he deducted that he was right all along after the explanation Neil about the demo. Then immediately shifting the conversion to Bioshock lol
I wasn't meaning you in particular ftr, I just saw so many discussions regarding the "scripted" part and I couldn't understand why there was so much conversation surrounding it (and the word "fake" thrown around so much).
Basically, mixing Salt and console warz is an explosive combination
Ugh, this "scripted" and "fake" narrative gets old after a while, now we're using "animation playback"? Funny thing is Neil doesn't mention shit about "Nope, this is stuff that you won't see in the final game, sadly", in fact he says the opposite.
I think I'm going to go on a media blackout now. I was in day 1 regardless but I fucking loved that gameplay video.
It's nothing substantially different from the first game, but I honestly didn't want them to mess with it that much to begin with. Only thing I wanted was more traversal/stealth options and improved hand to hand combat and this looks to have done that.
Pair that up with industry leading graphics, what looks to be a great story and tense gameplay and you have yourself a GOTY candidate.
It's nothing substantially different from the first game, but I honestly didn't want them to mess with it that much to begin with. Only thing I wanted was more traversal/stealth options and improved hand to hand combat and this looks to have done that.
Pair that up with industry leading graphics, what looks to be a great story and tense gameplay and you have yourself a GOTY candidate.
As you've stated, Neil actually quite literally said the complete opposite lol.
"you're seeing all game mechanics and systems and assets that you're going to experience in the final game."
The word fake gets thrown around because it is "technically" fake in that regard.
Yes, scripted animations that doesn't actually exist or isn't the result of a player pressing buttons. Stuff like this:
So the woman in the PGW trailer can't be Ellie's mother, right? Considering that the cult who are the enemies in the new gameplay are present in that trailer, its hard to imagine them having survived 20+ years, making me think she is contemporary with the time period of this trailer.
The word fake gets thrown around because it is "technically" fake in that regard.
Yes, scripted animations that doesn't actually exist or isn't the result of a player pressing buttons. Stuff like this:
All these animations are contextual and dynamic and exist in the final game. The one with Sully sometimes occurs when he is nearby Nate whilst an enemy is engaging him in close quarters. Sully will charge the enemy away from Nate and either slam them against or in to something. You can see it at the tail end of this GIF here. I've already given you this example before.
And obviously companion AI routinely brawl with enemies too.
You are also picking at one outlier extremely short snippet that plays ever so slightly different in the final game, when compared to the rest of the 15 minute demo, almost everything else plays exactly the same. Not to mention the retail release was actually on the whole graphically improved to boot.
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Here's the thing about ND demo. ND game have a ton of contextual animation in it, you can approach a combat arena similarly but the AI may react differently depends on many factor.The word fake gets thrown around because it is "technically" fake in that regard.
Yes, scripted animations that doesn't actually exist or isn't the result of a player pressing buttons. Stuff like this:
What ND has done for demo is to set the AI behavior to the exact parameter that when you play their demo, the AI will behave the same way everytime so they can rehearse they playthrough again and again to get the playthrough they want. But its not like they add extra animation that is only appear in the demo.
The word fake gets thrown around because it is "technically" fake in that regard.
Yes, scripted animations that doesn't actually exist or isn't the result of a player pressing buttons. Stuff like this:
What? It absolutely exists in the game, I have seen it happen a couple of times. Not at that exact moment but elsewhere in the game.
Part of the reason I don't care about Fortnite too much is because 1/3rd of the screen is filled with shit. Absolutely love the design style that ND encompasses in their games.I think UI is kinda like a ref in a sporting event, where if you aren't talking about them then they've done a good job. But ND deserves a lot of credit for how clean and simple the UI is in this game. A lot of games get accused of clutter, but in this demo this is the most we ever see in the gameplay UI
Weapon selection
Crafting
It's all an evolution of what they were doing with the original, but it looks great.
I think UI is kinda like a ref in a sporting event, where if you aren't talking about them then they've done a good job. But ND deserves a lot of credit for how clean and simple the UI is in this game. A lot of games get accused of clutter, but in this demo this is the most we ever see in the gameplay UI
Weapon selection
Crafting
It's all an evolution of what they were doing with the original, but it looks great.
Agreed, though I don't like the way the small ring always remains on screen. It should disappear entirely until it's actually needed, much like the UI behaves in UC4 and TLOU.
That exact moment literally doesn't exist in the game. Nor does that destructibility when you do context sensitive takedowns.
I don't know if fake is the right word for it but I think I know what you mean. Anyway, it is what it is and we know why they do things like this for the sake of having the gameplay demo flow the way they want it to in these big conferences. Personally what matters the most to me is knowing that what we saw is actually a playable demo (as in someone is actually playing the game) and there's nothing fake about that. Nothing like a bullshit in-game demonstration trying to pass as actual gameplay with smart camera angles for example. Not that ND does that anyway.
That's like saying that the first troll in GOW demo doesn't exist because it actually appears a couple of minutes after in the final game.
You know, smoke & mirrors and all that.
That exact moment didn't happen in that scene because it's not a scripted moment. It's part of the game system and can simply appear at any point of the game.
What ND did is manipulate the system so that animation appear at that point. But it's not like they're including a special animation that is not in game.
I mean that that moment literally can't be triggered in anyway shape or form in the final game.
Here's Nib95 explaining it better than me
nib95 said:All these animations are contextual and dynamic and exist in the final game. The one with Sully sometimes occurs when he is nearby Nate whilst an enemy is engaging him in close quarters. Sully will charge the enemy away from Nate and either slam them against or in to something. You can see it at the tail end of this GIF here. I've already given you this example before.
And obviously companion AI routinely brawl with enemies too.
You are also picking at one outlier extremely short snippet that plays ever so slightly different in the final game, when compared to the rest of the 15 minute demo, almost everything else plays exactly the same. Not to mention the retail release was actually on the whole graphically improved to boot.
Fairly sure I had a similar moment occur when an enemy grabbed me from behind and Nate tossed him into that trellis object.
Even if it can't *exactly* be reproduced in that spot, the mechanic is still in the game, so I'm not sure what the problem is. Besides, it was under development at the time and things are bound to change at release. I wouldn't say it's any worse just because this scene doesn't occur every time in this spot (in fact, it's better for replayability because of how dynamic it is).
The troll fight in the first GOW demo had him using the big rock thing to smash the ice they were fighting on. Eventually the whole floor breaks of an that area is destroyed. That sequence does not exist in the final game. That is fact. Perhaps it existed in some build early on which may have been playable but not in the final one. Sony first party games do this a lot. TLOU 1 did the same. Buddy AI pathing in the final game was no where near as good as the E3 demo. Stuff gets taken out as game comes to completion. Same will happen here.
