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Adamska

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Oct 27, 2017
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Because he's Wesker, complete global saturation Wesker.
I don't expect Wesker to act the same in front of Chris as he would in front of the ladies.
No it isn't. Even the villains in that game quip about and play along with how ridiculous everything is.
They have very witless retorts overall (unless Saddler saying he'll "Help Leon awaken from a world of clichés" by transforming into a clichéd last boss and being defeated in the most cliché way imaginable is some kind of next-level meta wit).
You'd have to be really dense to not see how self depreciating RE4 is, it's poking fun of itself from beginning to end. I can see the argument for "RE4 isn't as funny as the other games, because for the first time the cheese is intentional rather than accidental" but to think they expected players to take the entire thing 100% seriously makes me want whatever you were smoking while playing.

Might not be your cup of tea, but it's absolutely self aware.
You calling me stupid aside, I don't see the "poking fun of itself" in RE4 outside of some of Leon's comments.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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About Wesker having a kid; Jake was born in 1992 which is obviously six years before RE1, so imo it's not too out there for Wesker to have a relationship with a woman in his early career only to ditch her and continue working with Umbrella.
 

Adamska

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Oct 27, 2017
7,042
About Wesker having a kid; Jake was born in 1992 which is obviously six years before RE1, so imo it's not too out there for Wesker to have a relationship with a woman in his early career only to ditch her and continue working with Umbrella.
Some people think Wesker's single, defining appearance is his RE5 persona. He's really unhinged by that time, but he's a cold and calculating villain first and foremost considering the rest of the series.
 

VaporSnake

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Oct 28, 2017
4,603
I don't expect Wesker to act the same in front of Chris as he would in front of the ladies.

They have very witless retorts overall (unless Saddler saying he'll "Help Leon awaken from a world of clichés" by transforming into a clichéd last boss and being defeated in the most cliché way imaginable is some kind of next-level meta wit).

You calling me stupid aside, I don't see the "poking fun of itself" in RE4 outside of some of Leon's comments.
There are literally multiple scenes where the villains call out Leon for his overbearing cliche's and corniness, Leon and Salazar break the 4th wall by talking about the audience and remarks about how lame the script is, Saddler literally just laughs at Leon when he utters out cheese, you don't need a magnifying glass to see that it's clearly aware of itself.
 

Crossing Eden

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Oct 26, 2017
53,406
I don't expect Wesker to act the same in front of Chris as he would in front of the ladies.
We're literally shown how Wesker acts "around the ladies."


The idea of Wesker holding a conversation concerning anything BUT his work is hilarious.

They have very witless retorts overall (unless Saddler saying he'll "Help Leon awaken from a world of clichés" by transforming into a clichéd last boss and being defeated in the most cliché way imaginable is some kind of next-level meta wit).
That's not even meta wit, it's just self awareness. RE4 rarely if ever tries to be melodramatic. Now compare that villain to the villains of RE6, as well as the characterization, and you get the point. RE6's story, to be blunt, is very very stupid and presented in the most straight faced way. Are the characters deep in RE4? No, should they be? Yea that's also a no. They aren't deep in RE6 either.
 

Adamska

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Oct 27, 2017
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There are literally multiple scenes where the villains call out Leon for his overbearing cliche's and corniness, Leon and Salazar break the 4th wall by talking about the audience and remarks about how lame the script is, Saddler literally just laughs at Leon when he utters out cheese, you don't need a magnifying glass to see that it's clearly aware of itself.
I think you're confusing the ridiculousness of the plot for wit that isn't actually there. I'm of the opinion that it's a weak script where any attempt at humor is just bad emulation of action films, but you seem to think this emulation is self-awareness somehow.
The idea of Wesker holding a conversation concerning anything BUT his work is hilarious.
Eh, again, Wesker was never as single-minded as he was in RE5.
That's not even meta wit, it's just self awareness.
Sounds like he just wanted to insult Leon and did so with clichéd dialogue.
 

VaporSnake

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Oct 28, 2017
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I think you're confusing the ridiculousness of the plot for wit that isn't actually there. I'm of the opinion that it's a weak script where any attempt at humor is just bad emulation of action films, but you seem to think this emulation is self-awareness somehow.
I stand by my original statement, you'd have to be dense to not realize the game is self aware when the game stops multiple times and speaks directly to the audience. Hell I'd think a Metal Gear fan would get this more than others, Hunnigan even breaks the 4th wall not even an hour into the game the same way Colonel and Mei Leng do in MGS1. "Snake press the select button to use the Codec" in addition to many other MGS references. It's a game that knows it's a game in the same way metal gear directly speaks to the player and that's present from the very start.

Like I said, you can not like the writing, it's pretty spotty in places I agree, but arguing it's not aware of itself is absurd, there's too many examples otherwise.
 

Scoops

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Oct 27, 2017
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Someone earlier pointed out how out of character it was for Claire to be less warmhearted in Rev2 and now seeing everyone talking about 4, 5, and 6's story and characters my theory is that Claire slowly became more cold and cynical somewhere around 2005 when she started noticing how all her friends and family were becoming idiots.
 

Sargerus

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The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
20,869
Someone earlier pointed out how out of character it was for Claire to be less warmhearted in Rev2 and now seeing everyone talking about 4, 5, and 6's story and characters my theory is that Claire slowly became more cold and cynical somewhere around 2005 when she started noticing how all her friends and family were becoming idiots.
Is more like CAPCOM don't know how to develop character growth. Leon and Claire become entire different characters as the story progresses. In Rev2 Claire doesn't know how to talk with children anymore, keeps quoting Steve ("a gun is more reliable than any person"). Leon is split in 4 different personas: The RE2 Leon, a rookiee policeman, acting by the rules, the RE4 Leon full of sarcasm, quips and one-liners, the RE6/Damnation/Degeneration Leon who can't barely put a smile anymore and the Vendetta "Punished" Leon who is literally RE6 Chris.
 

Adamska

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Oct 27, 2017
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I stand by my original statement, you'd have to be dense to not realize the game is self aware when the game stops multiple times and speaks directly to the audience. Hell I'd think a Metal Gear fan would get this more than others, Hunnigan even breaks the 4th wall not even an hour into the game the same way Colonel and Mei Leng do in MGS1. "Snake press the select button to use the Codec" in addition to many other MGS references. It's a game that knows it's a game in the same way metal gear directly speaks to the player and that's present from the very start.

Like I said, you can not like the writing, it's pretty spotty in places I agree, but arguing it's not aware of itself is absurd, there's too many examples otherwise.
I think its pretty impolite to call others stupid just because they don't share your opinions.
 
Jan 11, 2018
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I honestly don't know why Jake was mad that Chris killed his father. Like did he even research his daddy.

Doesn't he spend a whole lot of time saying he's nothing like his father, admitting he was a bad man - only to somehow be upset to learn that Chris was the one that killed him? Just like with Leon suddenly acting like a rookie when the president turns into a zombie and attacks, it feels like they just wrote shit to create drama - consistency and common sense be damned.
 

Lukemia SL

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Jan 30, 2018
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Doesn't he spend a whole lot of time saying he's nothing like his father, admitting he was a bad man - only to somehow be upset to learn that Chris was the one that killed him? Just like with Leon suddenly acting like a rookie when the president turns into a zombie and attacks, it feels like they just wrote shit to create drama - consistency and common sense be damned.

Oh yeah it was definitely for drama, tbh I zoned out through most of Jakes boring story. Only the Sherry being healed by the G Virus stuff interested me.
You're probably right about him saying he's not like Wesker.
He's just got to understand Chris did the world a huge favour killing him.
 

Gaius Cassius

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Oct 28, 2017
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Oh yeah it was definitely for drama, tbh I zoned out through most of Jakes boring story. Only the Sherry being healed by the G Virus stuff interested me.
You're probably right about him saying he's not like Wesker.
He's just got to understand Chris did the world a huge favour killing him.

Meh, papa Wesker was still sort of a victim if you look at the origins of his design, birth and purpose, along with the other 'Wesker' kids. Dude was made to be a crazy weapon and was probably treated like a lab animal early on. Kinda reminds me of Liquid Snake.

Weskers real problem was he surrounded himself (and was likely influenced when younger) by real assholes his whole life, Dr Marcus, Birkin, crazy spoiled Italian bitch from 5, and that was just in his later life.
 

Biestmann

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Oct 25, 2017
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We're literally shown how Wesker acts "around the ladies."


The idea of Wesker holding a conversation concerning anything BUT his work is hilarious.


Maybe the realization of decades of scheming is simply more important than having sex with your horny business partner. That absolutely does not make Wesker uninterested in the opposite sex in a general sense.
 

Crossing Eden

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Oct 26, 2017
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Maybe the realization of decades of scheming is simply more important than having sex with your horny business partner. That absolutely does not make Wesker uninterested in the opposite sex in a general sense.
Genuinely try to imagine Wesker having a conversation that doesn't involve viruses in some way shape or form. Hammy ass Wesker.
 

TheSentry42

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Nov 2, 2017
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I'm struggling to find how this thread got on such a Wesker kick. Are people hoping he's given a bigger presence in the RE2 Remake or something?

Does any think they will or hoping they will add a whole new section and boss like they did for REmake with the Lisa area?
 

Crossing Eden

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Oct 26, 2017
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I'm struggling to find how this thread got on such a Wesker kick. Are people hoping he's given a bigger presence in the RE2 Remake or something?

Does any think they will or hoping they will add a whole new section and boss like they did for REmake with the Lisa area?
There are already more rooms in the demo then there were in the actual game so that's looking like a likely scenario.
 

Drain You

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Oct 27, 2017
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9 minutes in and I had to pause the video because I fucking lost it at the falling exploding barrel. Oh my God, that is so deliciously dumb! I think I'll stop and save the rest for my playthrough. lol

I just watched the first 10 minutes of that video myself and I love it. This is coming from somebody who enjoyed Re6 way more than it deserved.
 

Fedeuy

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
902
After years of virus infection and whatnot, who knows what poor Albert has under his pants, lets not blame him.