In terms of what? Cuz all those era aren't good. Like error was being outclassed by WCW.
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On this day 20 years ago, Undertaker threw Mankind off of the top of Hell in a Cell
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What the fuck are you even talking about then. Why do you care enough to post about it? You realize that this year they just sold TV rights to FOX for a BILLION dollars just for Smackdown. You act like its not popular still. I dont give a shit if youre invested in wrestling, but to not know why people watch it is kind of closed minded. Dont be that person.
I mean that TV deal isn't because it's popular it's because it's live sports. I mean Bellator about to get mad money and no one even watches that
I think you need to step away from the screen bro.
All I said was wraslin(I meant just WWE) offers the same form of entertainment as the Kardashians i.e. reality tv and caters to the same kind of people. How is that trolling ? And you responded in the way most fanboy way possible.
Regardless, I apologize to actual fans for shitting up this thread. This thread isn't meant for arguing the entertainment value of wrasslin.
Someone can be relatively knowledgeable of a subject and still be utterly baffled as to why it has any appeal beyond adolescent boys.
However, your assertion that money directly equals popularity informs me that I'm not the one being closed-minded, here.
Did you actually watch wrestling during that time or are you just cherry picking what you read online?
I remember watching this one live, and then reading about it years later in Foley's book. He doesn't remember most of the match, he was asking 'Taker afterwards about what had happened. Amazing that he kept getting back up just to make sure the audience got a good show. Easily one of the best matches in wrestling history.
I get it, I'm an idiot for liking wrestling. I already said Ill shut up. You win in life because youre older and dont watch wrestling.
In terms of just about everything. What's the last thing that got just about every wrestling fan, hardcore or casual, excited, energized, and talking, Summer of Punk?
At some point in life it might serve you well to read up on the Strawman Fallacy.
You know what you did 'bro,' so I'm not going to go round and round with you. And you expose yourself even more by ignoring literally everything in that post to focus on that one line. But at least you dropped, it's no big
I don't know when Kenny Omega wonwon big one or the Mexico boom of the 2010s
. And even then WWE wasn't the end-all-be-all of wrestling during the 80s 90s. Mexico and Japan were on fire during that time to.
I didn't watch during the Hogan Era, that was the generation before me, but I watched every thing else after.
I got out of wrestling by the time this historical event occurred, but u/shittymorph will forever be a legend to me based in his obsession.
He got the WWE to send him a bunch of commentator material of this event, too. Shittymorph, and this event is a piece of US history. It should always be remembered
He got the WWE to send him a bunch of commentator material of this event, too. Shittymorph, and this event is a piece of US history. It should always be remembered
Yeah WCW was way better than anything in the Hogan era. A lot of stuff was.
I didn't say he was healed.... I said its helped him a lot in dealing with it and he is in a better place than he was.
My favorite thing of this event, was that spawned a reddit copypasta where a user (shittymorph) will go to serious threads in other boards that were not related to wrestling, and then give a serious answer that will suddenly morph in a copypasta so may no one ever forget that in nineteen ninety eight the undertaker threw mankind off hell in a cell, and plummeted sixteen feet through the announcer's table.l. I always found him from time to time in threads where I was not expecting wrestling references.
He got so famous that to celebrate the 20th anniversary of this match, the WWE PR team sent him this cool package that included a framed picture of the match, a wwf magazine promoting the event 1 year suscription for the WWE Network and a gift card so he could buy food for his dog
https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/8ukg01/the_wwe_sent_me_a_package_to_mark_the_20th/
ShittyMorph is the only reason I know about this whole Undertaker thing.
Glad to see him get some recognition--he's a Reddit legend, but I haven't seen him in forever until today--did he stop posting?
He actually posted today in a r/videos thread celebrating the match, he is actually the top comment
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/com...ineteen_ninety_eight/?st=JIZF0USS&sh=646b604d
Btw I just read this interview,
https://www.cnet.com/news/reddit-memes-hell-in-a-cell/, there is an interesting story behind the guy and the meme
I haven't watched wrestling in years, but I still remember this match well. I was 11 back then, and to my friends and I, this was the most epic match ever. I don't think we realized just how much damage Foley took that night.
I'm just glad it was a chokeslam and not a tombstone pile driver. Taker would have went down with Foley if it was. And Foley would have went crashing down head first unless Taker was able to react in time and somehow drop him on his back instead. Either way, the injuries would have been horrific and life altering, if not fatal.
I'm just glad it was a chokeslam and not a tombstone pile driver. Taker would have went down with Foley if it was. And Foley would have went crashing down head first unless Taker was able to react in time and somehow drop him on his back instead. Either way, the injuries would have been horrific and life altering, if not fatal.
It's a piece of history and changed my perspective on what passion for your work is. For years it was the match I would use to "prove" the dedication of wrestlers... But I was wrong to do that. This match isn't what wrestling should be about. It goes too far and no one should do the things Foley did that night. I'm still in awe of the match but I'd rather show Undertaker vs HBK Wrestlemania 25 as an example of what pro wrestling can be.
Wrestling is a live stunt show. At it's best, it has athletes of extraordinary physical ability and charisma put on live performances in front of thousands of people.
The lights, the pyro, the characters and the storylines all build a very unique story telling environment. I don't see why it's difficult to understand what's entertaining about that.
Wrestling is a live stunt show. At it's best, it has athletes of extraordinary physical ability and charisma put on live performances in front of thousands of people.
The lights, the pyro, the characters and the storylines all build a very unique story telling environment. I don't see why it's difficult to understand what's entertaining about that.
In terms of angles and such, despite all the crash TV and other Russo influenced garbage that we had during that time the product from a booking and character/personality standpoint is leagues better than it is today in WWE even if many of them were terrible, not because of the sanitization of PG but because talent wasn't handcuffed by poorly written scripts micromanaged by an out of touch senior citizen and far more attention was paid to talent up and down the roster and they were still looking to get over and make stars instead of prioritizing getting their brand over. The least important part of wrestling is the actual wrestling and while the in ring part is leagues better than where it was in terms of athleticism back then, it's quite far behind in everything else... Well, aside from women's wrestling that era was fucking embarrassing for the most part. The "Ruthless Aggression" era was better in some aspects but still a lot of embarrassing shit but again it suffers from the same problems as on the men side which I guess is still an improvement.
That said, they're still following the same basic format they've had since then with opening the shows with promos to set up the show and so on, even setting up the main event in the first hour which IMO is dumb, plus they're still doing the on air authority figure gimmick that's been going on now for over 20 years. Also IMO Raw and Smackdown have too much wrestling. I wish at the very least they'd bring back time limits for TV to give a reason to shorten matches and leave the longer stuff to PPV/network like it use to be. There's not much incentive to watch the WWE network for matches because you'll see it a bunch of times on Raw or Smackdown beforehand.
The choke slam through the Cell was planned and you can see how they actively avoid stepping on the panel Foley goes through, the only thing not planned was the chair coming down with Foley. Aside from the chair adding to how much it hurt Foley apparently underestimated how much hitting the ring would hurt (while talent was more concerned with that spot because of how hard their rings were at the time) and it did more than the table because IIRC this happened shortly before they changed their rings and moved away from the more solid/firm ring they had been using since at least the 80s with the "big man era" to the much more forgiving/"bouncy" version that Jim Cornette brought to them which apparently Kevin Dunn had crews put padding in between the steel and the wood beams because it was "too loud" and it didn't occur to him to just turn down the ring mics. Also it may have contributed to the increase in knee and neck injuries, for the latter because with the ring being more forgiving talent started doing a lot more bumps along with a greater amount of whiplash.
That said, they're still following the same basic format they've had since then with opening the shows with promos to set up the show and so on, even setting up the main event in the first hour which IMO is dumb, plus they're still doing the on air authority figure gimmick that's been going on now for over 20 years. Also IMO Raw and Smackdown have too much wrestling. I wish at the very least they'd bring back time limits for TV to give a reason to shorten matches and leave the longer stuff to PPV/network like it use to be. There's not much incentive to watch the WWE network for matches because you'll see it a bunch of times on Raw or Smackdown beforehand.
The choke slam through the Cell was planned and you can see how they actively avoid stepping on the panel Foley goes through, the only thing not planned was the chair coming down with Foley. Aside from the chair adding to how much it hurt Foley apparently underestimated how much hitting the ring would hurt (while talent was more concerned with that spot because of how hard their rings were at the time) and it did more than the table because IIRC this happened shortly before they changed their rings and moved away from the more solid/firm ring they had been using since at least the 80s with the "big man era" to the much more forgiving/"bouncy" version that Jim Cornette brought to them which apparently Kevin Dunn had crews put padding in between the steel and the wood beams because it was "too loud" and it didn't occur to him to just turn down the ring mics. Also it may have contributed to the increase in knee and neck injuries, for the latter because with the ring being more forgiving talent started doing a lot more bumps along with a greater amount of whiplash.
Wrestling fans have known for decades that wrestling is scripted/"fake", millions of people today think Kardashians and other "Reality" television is real.
I was at that match and was right above them when they were in the stands fighting. Great memory.
That was probably the only time I ever thought "this is too much" from a physical standpoint when watching wrestling.
I honestly don't know how in the world he survived the choke slam.
300+ pounds.10-15ft unprepared drop landing on the back of your head on a stiff wrestling ring with little give. Fucking HOW?
300+ pounds.10-15ft unprepared drop landing on the back of your head on a stiff wrestling ring with little give. Fucking HOW?
The Kurt Angle / Shane McMahon fight also stopped being entertaining and gave me this feeling off "this has gone too far".
One of the craziest things I've ever seen 'live', even crazier when you're 13/14 and you see it. Man, what an insane thing to do.
Yes? Is this the first day you've heard about pro wrestling?
Only someone who doesn't know what they're about would call WWE reality TV. Hahaha, that's hilarious.
I'll never forget this match at the old Mellon Arena in Pittsburgh. My brother and I were there - I was 14 at the time and SUPER into wrestling so my parents got me tickets for my birthday the previous month.
We were on the same side of the ring as the announcers tables so when Foley got thrown off the Cell it was right in front of us. Nobody knew what was going on in the crowd it was one of the most unbelievable things I've ever seen. Then the chokeslam through the Cell, I believe a chokeslam AND tombstone onto the thumbtacks - my God. I remember watching it again on video or whatever later and hearing the commentary but being in the crowd was almost surreal. I think people really did think Foley was dead.
I didn't rewatch the video before posting but that was a hell of a PPV overall. If memory serves the main event (SCSA vs Kane) was a First Blood match? I do remember Foley's run-in there. And also The Rock winning King of the Ring that year since I was (and still am) a huge Rock mark. One other thing I remember was that I REALLY wanted a Rock T Shirt at that PPV, the one with the blue bull face, but they weren't selling them at any merch table since it was relatively new.
Anyway thanks for drumming up some good old memories, OP.
We were on the same side of the ring as the announcers tables so when Foley got thrown off the Cell it was right in front of us. Nobody knew what was going on in the crowd it was one of the most unbelievable things I've ever seen. Then the chokeslam through the Cell, I believe a chokeslam AND tombstone onto the thumbtacks - my God. I remember watching it again on video or whatever later and hearing the commentary but being in the crowd was almost surreal. I think people really did think Foley was dead.
I didn't rewatch the video before posting but that was a hell of a PPV overall. If memory serves the main event (SCSA vs Kane) was a First Blood match? I do remember Foley's run-in there. And also The Rock winning King of the Ring that year since I was (and still am) a huge Rock mark. One other thing I remember was that I REALLY wanted a Rock T Shirt at that PPV, the one with the blue bull face, but they weren't selling them at any merch table since it was relatively new.
Anyway thanks for drumming up some good old memories, OP.
This was a blast from the past and yes, i feel old.
From what i remember from Chris Jericho's podcast with Mick regarding this HIAC, the Spanish Announcer table spot was somewhat planned but the chokeslam from the roof down to the center ring with thumbtacks was not. Taker and Mick only expected a partial tear in the roof and Mick would hang for a bit, flail half-way and fall on the center ring on his hands and knees.
From what i remember from Chris Jericho's podcast with Mick regarding this HIAC, the Spanish Announcer table spot was somewhat planned but the chokeslam from the roof down to the center ring with thumbtacks was not. Taker and Mick only expected a partial tear in the roof and Mick would hang for a bit, flail half-way and fall on the center ring on his hands and knees.
Crazy the lengths people would go in the name of entertainment. Mick Foley has so much respect from me for the stuff he put himself through.
It's a circus. It's live theater. Sometimes it can get you invested and sometimes it doesn't.
I watched this live as a kid through the scrambled picture on my TV.
When Mankind got thrown through the announce table, all I could see through the scrambled picture was the bright red color of the announce table. Couple that with Jim Ross screaming, "AS GOD AS MY WITNESS, HE IS BROKEN IN HALF", my 10-year-old mind legitimately thought that Mankind's body was physically cut open in half.
When Mankind got thrown through the announce table, all I could see through the scrambled picture was the bright red color of the announce table. Couple that with Jim Ross screaming, "AS GOD AS MY WITNESS, HE IS BROKEN IN HALF", my 10-year-old mind legitimately thought that Mankind's body was physically cut open in half.
lol, you can apply that statement to most of the topics that are discussed on this board.
I don't "get" anime but I don't go into those threads all "what's this crap, why do you guys like this???"
When I watch wrestling, I watch it with the same mindset as any other television show. Actors playing fictional characters in a storyline. Period. Sometimes the stories are good, sometimes they're garbage.
I think less of you as a person for coming and shitting up a thread for something you obviously have no interest in and even label pathetic. Sure, you ask for explanations of why people could like wrestling, but when given any you immediately dismiss it with a remark about guys fake fighting in colorful underwear, which is honestly what you were going to do regardless. It would be like if I went into an anime thread and start trashing everybody's opinions for liking something I don't, but I wouldn't do that, that's completely ridiculous. I don't understand your game here, is it to be the center of attention, or are you just showing your ass for kicks?
I was all of 11 years old watching this with my cousin, grandpa and my mom. I was so mad because Mankind was the greatest.
And this match it why I will always respect and admire Mick Foley, and why I will always get excited for a Hell in a Cell match.
I just can't watch the video in the OP where two guys clumsily lead each other around on top of a chain-link cage until one sort of halfheartedly shoves the other off and then not laugh when someone tells me it's about "story telling" and "raw emotion."
That moment where the cage gives way and they almost fall through but have to continue as though it's all planned while the announcers keep trying to hype up what's happening is just peak unintentional comedy.
The performance is basically falling apart at the seams but you have an entire audience full of people screaming as though it's the most intense thing they've ever watched, but to me it feels like going to a Sea World stage show and realizing that all the animals are really sick today as they just sort of bob around listlessly and the crowd cheers.