But pretty much all rural governments are bigoted and conservative.
2020 Democratic Presidential Primary | OT | Hickenlooper makes it to the debate
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Bernie mentioned redlining in the town hall though same as Warren. Or maybe I misheard that. Someone correct me if I'm wrong please.
I mean there's the impasse.
Somehow we have to use progressive policies to win over fickle white voters. When fickle white voters won't vote for said progressive because "Dem colored folk." So the fickle white voters will run back to the GOP and then everyone complains that the Dems didn't cater to the fickle white voters
Like, this is a logic error.
I mean, according to you, they're all centrists anyway. So what does it matter? lol
I mean, Bernie has no one to blame but himself because Warren got to the issue first.
Oh come now. You know damn well when people say rural voters. They mean the rural white voters.
Rural of color already vote Democratic. No one's complaining about them.
Somehow we have to use progressive policies to win over fickle white voters. When fickle white voters won't vote for said progressive because "Dem colored folk." So the fickle white voters will run back to the GOP and then everyone complains that the Dems didn't cater to the fickle white voters
Like, this is a logic error.
I mean, according to you, they're all centrists anyway. So what does it matter? lol
I mean, Bernie has no one to blame but himself because Warren got to the issue first.
Oh come now. You know damn well when people say rural voters. They mean the rural white voters.
Rural of color already vote Democratic. No one's complaining about them.
He mentioned it when talking about how black people have been discriminated against but I don't remember him proposing any policies that specifically target those communities based on whether they were redlined or not, like she has. But again, that's not to say his policies wouldn't help them even if his policies are designed in a neutral way.
Even in Vermont? I have to disagree with you. Have you lived in a rural area before?
I was going to respond to your first post but I see you edited it.
Yes. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...al-harassment-threats/?utm_term=.114f3c148b60
This skit is a thing for a reason. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKcUOUYzDXA&t=142s
don't you understand. rural LGBT communities are being oppressed (and in cities they aren't and never face any oppression, duh!) which somehow justifies saying screw rural people (which includes those very rural LGBT people i was just talking down to and lecturing on the discrimination they face as if they don't know).
yeah like when i was living in a rural community as an out queer person with an accepting group of friends and people around me and then moved to a city and in the first week had "faggot" screamed at me from a passing car and was berated by homophobes. but fuck rural people, amirite
so what. that doesn't justify saying screw rural people. it's reprehensible and it throws the marginalized people you're being condescending to under the bus
so what? the sentiment we're criticizing isn't "governments in rural areas are reactionary" or even "a majority of people in rural areas vote for bigots" or "many reactionaries live in rural areas." it is "screw rural people." that is reprehensible and when a rural LGBT person tries to tell you it's wrong to paint people from rural communities with one brush and you instead start lecturing them about the oppression they face as if they don't already know it shows how clueless and insensitive our metropolitan fake allies are
So you want them to nominate a candidate again, that does not get people feeling passionate and excited?
The reperations answer is something that just turned me off. I want to like Bernie and honestly I'm like 85-90% but that answer of basically "reperations?!? I don't know what you mean" is not acceptable. This isn't his first rodeo, and he's been around far too long to not know what the subject is. Then continues to frame black issues solely around poverty... It raises suspicions on why this is this the time when he feigns ignorance.
I'm no Warren fan but so far she has been doing a better job than Bernie thus far during this campaign.
I hope Warren goes in harder and divides Bernie support.
Bernie's answer at tonight's townhall shows that he has learned nothing from 2016
I hope Warren goes in harder and divides Bernie support.
Bernie's answer at tonight's townhall shows that he has learned nothing from 2016
He's got a history of doing this.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/21/bernie-sanders-democrat-independent-vermont-601844
It means he runs as a (D), getting out of this is something he's done before. After losing '16 her went back to being independent. I bought up those leftists or progressive candidates who were of similar ideology to Bernie, but none of them are going around switching to be (I). This is a big part of his appeal to many of his voters, which has been discussed heavily in political threads in this forum.
You have more faith in him doing that than the DNC.
I took that answer as it is something that needs to be evaluated and determine "what would that look like", rather than ignorance or avoidance
no i don't know damn well that when people say 'screw rural people' they actually mean something completely different that they didn't actually say
Wow we agree on something. He can word it differently instead of playing circles around the question. He doesn't even have to go for a straight "yes", but he can and definitely needs to have a prepared question for this.
I am highly disappointed of him tonight.
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Again I have lived in the south for much of my life and plenty of the people I know from there, are not bigots. I do not speak for everyone of course. I can only attest for my own experiences.
Are there bigots in the south, of course there are. But no need to vilify every single person who lives in a rural community though.
On answers outside of everything having to do with why she thought she was a Native American, yes she has
On raising money or building up support for a campaign that has much of a chance.. no
It is really unfortunate though. If only she didn't drop a nuke on herself worse than any dem nuke since Dukakis riding a tank
There is a reason Sanders is not a Democrat. I am sure you can look that up.
No, lol. I'm anti-anti-vaxx types though!
"Warren's policy, but with like, literally anyone younger and more charismatic"
Harris's housing policy is specifically awful relative to everyone else's so far because it's very much a CA housing plan drafted up by people who've been held down under those constraints for decades.
No one is doing this.
Jesus Anime Christ. I'm assuming everyone posting in this topic is American. You really can't read between the lines? Saying "Rural America is bigoted" is not saying "Every Rural American is bigoted."
Can we not pull this #NotAllMen #NotAllCops BS? You know what we mean.
Your previous argument as that he was going to be loyal to the Dems. You ok with him not doing now?
Sounds a lot to me like we're making excuses for a geographic grouping that OVERWHELMINGLY AND AFFIRMATIVELY voted for Nazis in both of the last two election cycles because some marginalized people happen to live in those areas and then couching those excuses in class struggle when someone points out how similar it sounds to other attempts to brush away criticism
You don't have to be rich to complain about the toxicity in white rural America.
And what? Just because they're poor mean they don't deserve scrutiny? Like no one is pointing a gun to their head forcing them to vote Republican.
Lol, it's fine to be anti-stupid.
At least poor people have the excuse of not receiving proper education.
What's the excuse of middle class and rich folk?
but rural america is not just bigoted, rural america includes diverse communities that absolutely don't fit into the broad brush you're trying to paint of "rural" people as some sort of hateful monolith
it's not even remotely comparable to saying not all cops and i absolutely resent the comparison between rural communities and cops. yes, all cops because all cops defend and uphold a white supremacist justice system that is systematically racist
the idea that defending the construction of maleness (or whiteness) and how it's constructed in a way that encourages toxic behavior and is exclusionary towards women, people outside the gender binary and non-conforming people by saying "not all men" when people make valid criticisms of maleness is comparable to saying you shouldn't say "screw rural people" and act like diverse rural communities are some monolith that can be safely thrown under the bus because you think most of them are bigoted is really insulting.
we literally have people here saying they can't wait until rural communities are wiped out and overwhelmed by cities and shrink away into nothingness without any consideration of the unique cultures of diverse rural communities they're erasing so the idea that people here are just attacking the reactionaries in rural communities is a nonsense
If he gets elected as a Democrat I envision he would stay one. He has never been elected as a Democrat before.
As far as him being an Independent, that is because of the Democratic Party primarily centrist stance on issues for the duration he has been in the U.S. Congress. He has pulled the party more towards the left, especially since his 2016 run. If it was not for Bernie we would not have talk on Medicare for All or many other progressive policies supported by him and AOC.
Whatever do you mean? I love a plan that relies on your political enemies to help you reduce their power in the senate. What could possibly go wrong?
I'm not arguing over why he does what he does, I'm telling you why the DNC are doing this which isn't unreasonable. Your argument so far implies you'd be ok with him leaving the Dems once he wins the presidency. This isn't about justifying his lone wolf status, it's why the Dems want him to have a (D) next to his name if he gets there. I've provided sources to prove this is a reality.
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except she hasn't. she came out the gate stumbling on a strangely tone deaf ad about her Native American ancestry and has not been making her donation targets. She's always been good on policy and continues to be, but she's not a good candidate and her campaign has not been going particularly well.
As a person from a rural community and also happens to be a white male. I take offense when people begin suggesting everyone who is white and is from a rural community is an ignorant bigot. When that is not true. I usually hear this from people who have never lived in the south.
I want to clarify. I would not be ok with him being elected as a Democrat and then leaving the Democratic Party after being elected.
Why is that? What's the reason? Why is it that some geographical locations are more bigoted than others?
Yeeeeah this is kinda my opinion. This is cynical, but I think she made this declaration about not bothering with high-dollar donors and fundraisers any more because she wasn't getting any money from them anyway. She's trying to take a negative and turn it into a positive. If this boosts her small dollar donor base then I guess it worked, but time will tell.
This may be a big miscalculation on her part. She doesn't have Bernie's proven track record with small donations to back this up like he can.
I apologize but I am not fully understanding what you mean.
I am merely saying not everyone from the south who is white is an ignorant bigot. That is all. The ones who are disgust me personally.
remind me again how the rural US is somehow extricable from the "construction of whiteness" and its negative consequences (particularly compared to urban and suburban areas) when it's LITERALLY THE WHITEST PART
If she wasn't getting any love from the wealthy donor types anyway, what's she got to lose? Might as well spin it into a positive fundraising rallying cry.
But overall yeah, I think this is a bad sign for her campaign. There's too many candidates and not enough money to go around, especially since dems aren't going around being kept afloat by a couple multi-millionaires the way Republicans were in 2016.
You can't teach a goldfish to do calculus. Some people just can't do critical thinking no matter how much you teach them. But some things ARE taught, but not explicitly. And that's where rural areas are bad at this.
Kids raised in isolated, homogenous areas are more likely to end up racist than kids raise in a diverse area where they're constantly having to learn and adapt to meeting new people. The core emotion behind racism, xenophobia? It's Fear. Lovecraft being considered a horror master and lovecraft being incredibly racist? Those two things likely aren't a coincidence. (And no not all horror masters are racist.) And when that fear isn't broken down and eroded away as a kid, it's way harder to do it as an adult, just like so many other things.
And because of the nature of geography, those homogenous isolated areas are far more likely to be in rural areas. And it's why it's incredibly important to break down segregated neighborhoods and other things which try to recreate that isolation and separation in the places which are the future of our country.
Warren's problem is that all the small donors she might get are already solidly in the Bernie camp, leaving her with...........nothing at all on the fundraising front.
This is broad but rural location = further spread out, less contact with other types of people, more self reliant by necessity since they don't need the infrastructure that a city needs, therefore they don't want the government to take their "hard earned money" and "give it away" to the "different" people living in cities.
By nature of having less exposure to other ways of life, traditionalism generally prevails in rural areas.
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