Yeah, there's an almost inverse correlation between how irrelevant you are in numbers and how omnipresent you are in shitty online arguments.
2020 Democratic Presidential Primary | OT | Hickenlooper makes it to the debate
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my not involved in throwing binders at people t shirt is getting a lot of questions already answered by the shirt
It's interesting how the video in that tweet is edited to be out of context while claiming to be in context.
Here is the actual question on Cooper
This means they made it. It's the sort of shit centrist and liberal candidates who got to the big time had. That's the negative side of being a national figure in politics.
People will have to support the candidate that brings up these issues and it's not the establishment candidates.
It's Marianne Williamson.
Yeah...this doesn't bode well for Women's History Month.
March is going to have to be have to be Women Making History Month and carry that forward.
A woman is running for President, brings reparations to the national primary discussion with her work and advocacy on many issues while running for president and can't even get mentioned in the OP of a thread related to the Democrat primary on ERA.
Even the old board that spawned this one at least mentions her.
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I get that you hype her up at every opportunity, but I'm not going to support someone whose new-age spiritualism rhetoric would get us wiped out like everywhere except Oregon.
Please don't. Not unless you add every person that got 5th place in a US Senate race before deciding that they were just going to run for president instead.
Let's at least see if she can poll above Gillibrand.
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She should have been there from the start! She's amazing.
She seems to speak to and for the voices of the Dem base that don't get much attention but have the best intentions and want to get involved and hear the conversation she brings and have that brought to the national stage.
Like reparations. If it wasn't for her it likely wouldn't have been in the questions tonight and there wouldn't have been the opportunity in the discussion for there to be an indication of the weakness of Bernie or the other candidates on this issue and race.
She can bring a lot of important and eclectic issues that just get ignored.
She is spiritual. But she isn't dogmatic or into doctrine and is willing to talk outside that framework. There's no worry from anyone that she's going to use religion or god or her spiritualism to justify anything like antiabortion or antigay marriage. It may turn away some, especially fundies. They weren't likely to vote Dem anyhow. She does provide a voice for people that are alt spiritual to have a candidate and be involved on that level. At least, at the beginning.
My goal is for her to win but if she gets enough support to be able to make a reasonable call to be a senior WH advisor and replace someone like Stephen Miller I'm all for it.
Marianne2020!
Her advocacy for reparations are a positive addition to the discussion. But I would stop shy of saying that should make her president. I get it though, I'm a big fan of Andrew Yang despite being a long shot. That said, I also think he'd be more palatable as a GE candidate. Marianne would cement the dems as the unironic Portlandia of political parties in my opinion.
It's a start. The seed from which could grow a mighty forest.
Love is the law.
I get that connotation. I do. People already think that anyhow. Might as well have a candidate that leans into it. Better to have that aspect of the base fired up and motivated and looking into the other candidates.
She's a good choice for the undecided voter too. To identify themselves as someone that wants what's right but needs to learn more and hasn't decided on a candidate and is looking for moral guidance. If I saw a person with a Marianne pin wearing other candidate merch or not, I wouldn't think badly of them, it would just mean they want to do the right thing.
It also needs to be said that the original article he wrote that this keeps getting quoted from is actually about how societal gender norms and the way we enforce traditional roles and ideas about gender are helping foster an environment of sexual violence. It was not an article advocating for rape or anything similar. It was evocative language to demonstrate the idea.
1) The problem with Yang and Marianne Williamson is that talk is cheap. There's hardly any evidence that they'll do what they're saying if elected. Politicians at least have had a standing record of issues and proposals that they support. They can be good 'message' candidates, but I wouldn't want them near the Presidency.
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I wish more people support Warren. She feels so much like a genuine kind human being that it makes me feel bad when she inevitably loses.
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I wish more people support Warren. She feels so much like a genuine kind human being that it makes me feel bad when she inevitably loses.
That's of course a legit concern. One that gives a voter pause even over the most long term politician. Can the candidate be trusted?
The last few years have shown us that the presidency can be contained to a large degree by the other branches of government and law. However, there are weaknesses and a lack of accountability. Unpredictability is an unwelcome element while so much rebuilding has to take place in the next few years.
As she's done before and said she'll do this time, Marianne is going to continue speaking issues and supporting the Democrats through this election as candidate and activist and advocate. That's her history.
Warren is currently my 3rd choice after Harris.
Duke Cunningham, that's a name I haven't heard in many years... how is this guy not mixed up in the Trump administration yet?
Cunningham resigned from the House on November 28, 2005, after pleading guilty to accepting at least $2.4 million in bribes and under-reporting his taxable income for 2004. He pleaded guilty to federal charges of tax evasion, and conspiracy to commit bribery, mail fraud, and wire fraud. He was sentenced to eight years and four months in prison and was ordered to pay $1.8 million in restitution. On June 4, 2013, Cunningham completed his prison sentence; he now lives in Arkansas.
The more things change the more they stay the same: these days California's 50th Congressional district is represented by... Duncan Hunter.
I dont know, a community that refuses to adapt, pulls the country back with them due to overrepresentation, and grasp onto bigoted representation out of bigotry and refusal to change, sounds like a good case to argue that it's a good thing when they go the way of the dodo.
I lived in rural VA, personally I want those communities to die off, only other compromise would be making their votes equal to everyone else.
That person you all were discussing this with was being disengenious to me. That poster obviously knew what people mean when they criticize rural areas, so the argument was just hot air.
EDIT: Damn it, I should have read further. I'm just going to leave this here.
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It was Warren mentioning Native American reconciliation last weekend that raised my opinion of her. Even though she got the matter mixed with reparations.
Williamson knows there's a difference.
When she moves to Iowa she should travel around to neighboring states to get in contact and raise those concerns.
Williamson knows there's a difference.
When she moves to Iowa she should travel around to neighboring states to get in contact and raise those concerns.
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Congresswoman Sharice Davids has been in the conversation and is still one of my picks for VP.
It seems like a good moment to post this.
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Preservation of Native American historical and sacred sites might be something that catches with popular consciousness and could be directed towards reconciliation. Contribute to the healing process.
It seems like a good moment to post this.
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Preservation of Native American historical and sacred sites might be something that catches with popular consciousness and could be directed towards reconciliation. Contribute to the healing process.
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Nearly 40 percent of Sanders 2020 donors so far appear to be new supporters: report
Very cool. Looks like Bernie's drawing in more people—I mean bros.
Very cool. Looks like Bernie's drawing in more people—I mean bros.
The article says email addresses, will take a bit more doing to figure out how much are actually new supporters, maybe through polling?
throwing things at the wall, huh? seems pretty relevant to that particular candidate
2 steps forward 5 steps back.
Like is history not a thing? Did we forget about the totally racism free 50s?
And before anyone whines, I don't expect the other nominees to paint Trump voters as wildly racist either. But at least, they apparently know the return is not worth it to cater to them.
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I mean, i dont recall him saying "oh they arent racists" could be wrong but I dont remember that
and well, his point isnt a wrong one. Candidates like Bill Clinton and Obama were able to close the gap with the white demographic, which helped them overall to win their respective elections.
If like, 100k of Trump voters flip in PA, MI and WI then hes denied a second term, simple as that.
Fuck off with this racist denying bullshit Bernie. Trump voters are racist. Stop trying to treat them like they just have "econoic anxiety". No, they hate black and brown people. Period.
They SHOULD say it. Because its true. Stop trying to sugar coat racism. We don't need their votes.
You absolutely need the vote of those WI/MI/PA Obama -> Trump voters. Calling them racist is not the way to go about it and I would advise you to calm down.
I agree that many of these voters are bigots but what you are saying is tremendously stupid strategy. Attacking the voters you need to flip the country? Lol k.
"How to send a pissed off nest of hornets to the polls and guarantee four more years of Hell, starring Cheebo"
We did excellent in Michigan and sweeped at the state level in 2018 without Whitmer and co trying to reach out to appeal to the racist WWC Trump voters.
We don't need to appease the racist rural white working class dudes to win, 2018 showed this. As our coalition grows increasingly female and increasingly non-white these WWC men are increasingly irrelevant to our path to victory.
None of those candidates you speak of called Trump supporters racist to their face.
Well yeah, but this amount of blatant pandering on a false premise wasn't needed at all
https://np.reddit.com/r/SandersForP...he_young_woman_who_asked_how_she_could_trust/
Sanders supporters already decrying anyone who asked remotely rough questions at yesterday's town hall as shills and plants. Good job, folks.
Sanders supporters already decrying anyone who asked remotely rough questions at yesterday's town hall as shills and plants. Good job, folks.
Dem nominees shouldn't focus on winning over Trump voters, they should focus on making them apathetic. Remind them every day that Trump promised them a big, beautiful wall across the border that Mexico would pay for, and four years later he couldn't get it done even with Republican majorities in congress. Send that message to his base every day and you'll convince enough of them to stay home. His presidency lives and dies around having built a wall, and the best weapon dems have to keep his voters at home is to remind them the wall didn't happen and won't happen: Trump has already exhausted every option to get it done. If there are like 80,000 people across WI, MI and PA who think "They're right, Trump lied to me" and stay home then we win.
There's a reason the GOP is trying to make 2020 about abortion and socialism. They know there's almost nothing they've accomplished that voters actually like.
You're the one putting the word 'racist' in there. Sanders won Michigan in 2016 by a fair bit and Clinton lost big in the state. I'm gonna have to bet that the difference was not a couple hundred thousand racists, but instead communities who don't typically vote getting out to vote for Sanders and other progressive candidates who actually reflect and respond to their needs and values. "Trump Country" is more than just racists, it refers to wide swath of land that went Red in 2016. Not everyone who lives in those cities and towns are racist, in fact, I'd wager most of them are not, but they are susceptible to misinformation and feel inflammed by an urban/rural divide that casts the latter as socially-maladjusted luddites and positions the former as trailblazers and mavericks. Maybe, just maybe, Trump was able to tap into that discomfort and that divide and make those people feel strong for once through the always-reliable salve of nationalism. It is our duty as the opposition, to offer them a different salve; one that focuses on economic reform, an escape from opiod abuse, rewarding jobs that fit the skillsets of the residents (not everyone can do health care clerical work or drive a truck!), and makes them seem like equal citizens to their cousins in Los Angeles, New York, or Seattle.
They didn't try and pander to Trump voters like Sanders is doing.
Calling trump supporters racist wont get us anywhere and will probably hurt the cause. I think there was a thread here before showing how the key to "deradicalizing" these people is to give them an out for why they made a bad decision and how they can fix it. Which makes sense from my anecdotal interactions so if Bernie wants to massage their ego i dont mind.
There's also the issue of Sanders' that he can uniquely get them to vote for him. It's sounds as egocentric as Trump's "I alone can fix this" rhetoric.
Also I do like how we're not to call Trump voters racist, but they can call us baby killers, man haters, pussies, anti American, communists, pro white genocide, terrorist sympathizers, fags, niggers, cunts, trannies, devil worshippers, cucks, soyboys, queers, moochers, leeches, rapists, child molesters, and a whole bunch of awful things and get away with it.
So much for this country being a melting pot. The only people who matter are 70,000 bumblefucks. Hell so much for Era being inclusive. By defending these fucks.
Also I do like how we're not to call Trump voters racist, but they can call us baby killers, man haters, pussies, anti American, communists, pro white genocide, terrorist sympathizers, fags, niggers, cunts, trannies, devil worshippers, cucks, soyboys, queers, moochers, leeches, rapists, child molesters, and a whole bunch of awful things and get away with it.
So much for this country being a melting pot. The only people who matter are 70,000 bumblefucks. Hell so much for Era being inclusive. By defending these fucks.
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