do you not realize that the most damning part of that ("Sanders remains a critic of identity politics and a firm believer that issues of race, while important, are not as salient and determinative as those of class") is actually not a quote from sanders, but rather editorial text
usually, what comes after "but" is quite important
If you replaced "progressive" with "MAGA" or "conservative" agenda and attributed it to Trump, please tell me it would not be skewered.
I believe he meant in general. The gist of what you're saying is that we can't solve economic issues until we solve racial issues. So how do we solve racism.
You can't solve racist shitheads, you can only continue to fight them until you can't anymore.
it's sort of how like people shut down any discussion about bernie and his MLK-inspired message of uniting racial and economic justice by calling it racist or a gaffe
So we can't solve economic issues because we can't solve racist shitheads
You can make progress on both!
i tend to put about as much effort into my posts as the arguments i'm responding to deserve
I was going less for Thanos, more for Claudette with that one.
for the record i wasn't referring to you specifically here, but to the entire premise of this discussion that what bernie said here constitutes a racist gaffe
This is different from what you said earlier:
To me, this reads that we can't solve economic inequality without solving racial inequality first, but then you said that we can't solve racism.
just for the record, i preferred hillary over bernie in 2016
It reads that way because you're interested in trolling with semantics. I said "fix racial inequality." Not "fix racism." The former is addressing things like the racial wealth gap. The latter is the dark heart of many people. Giving people money is easy, making everyone not be a racist asshole is impossible.
Who are these people? The people in these upper-income areas aren't opposed to liberal social programs at the federal level. (the problems generally are more local, like with housing development.)
Another Bernie eating crackers moment when he was 100% right. Alot of people its easy to advocate diversity cause it doesnt affect them but when it comes to economic justice for poc they're quiet.
I'm not trolling with semantics. The racist shitheads are using racism to prevent economic progress.
the fuck is this shit
Yes. Many of those people existed in the 2007/2009 House delegation. The thing is, even though we're replacing many of those more-racist people from lower-income areas with less-racist people from higher-income areas, our overall coalition is moving leftward on both social and economic policy because, as it turns out, the racism is a bigger roadblock to progress than what class your constituency represents.
Change can happen generationally, but you're not fundamentally fixing people who never had to learn how to interact with people who weren't like that and overcome that xenophobic fear that drives them. Lovecraft being considered a horror master while also being a virulent racist? Not unrelated.. It's the same fundamental reason dog trainers recommend you take a puppy to the dog park when it's young- to get it used to interacting with other people and dogs who don't look or act like you do. Kids are malleable. Adults, much less so.
Working class is disproportionately comprised of PoC. Things like medicare for all and tuition free college would greatly benefit PoC and the LGBTQ+ community. More so than white people. So there are definitely ways to counteract the effects of racism through "economic" policy. Race and economics are intrinsically intertwined after all. But then of course you still need policies that address specific issues not necessarily tied to economics like police brutality rates against black people, discrimination against trans people, etc. In general though you can absolutely get closer to equal treatment for all people with "colorblind" policies, but obviously it won't get you all the way there.
I don't think we can solve it either, but I don't think we have to fight one over the other.
Isn't Bernie from Brooklyn?
