2020 Democratic Presidential Primary | OT | Hickenlooper makes it to the debate
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Yep. Not sure of any alternate streams, but it just started on FB: https://www.facebook.com/betoorourke/videos/437994523603203/?sk=h_chr
Just felt my calves cramp.
Edit: Oh fuck he took off his jacket when he talked about strengthening unions
Edit: Oh fuck he took off his jacket when he talked about strengthening unions
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They're on the decline right now naturally because of our declining lockup rates with the mass decline in violent rates, thankfully. Per the ACLU website- 7 percent of state prisoners and 18 percent of federal prisoners in 2015. Anyone we get there should be working to accellerate the transition.
Agreed.
There shouldn't be a profit incentive to getting people basic healthcare either. Unfortunately, not everyone sees it that way.
And if theres work in prison it better be at the minimum wage at least
Idk how it is now but I remember somewhat recently reading articles of companies "giving" jobs to prisoners and people being like uplifted by it despite the companies skirting laws to pay the prisoners jack shit
Idk how it is now but I remember somewhat recently reading articles of companies "giving" jobs to prisoners and people being like uplifted by it despite the companies skirting laws to pay the prisoners jack shit
Fair enough, but it's really the armed revolution I'm skeptical about.
We don't need dates, we have decades of history to look back on and that the signs of any armed rebellion has been absolutely zero. Of course nobody knows what whatever moment would look like, because there is no organisation in existence to base their ideals and structure off. Revolutions don't happen by waiting, they happen by doing things and in the US leftist insurgence groups never materialise, and no-one's in any hurry to get them going. It's painfully obvious why they don't, and I'm relieved they aren't that suicidal in the real world. That's why I remain unconvinced they're serious, socialists have had plenty of time and reasons to do this (Reagan, Dubya, Trump, Nixon etc) and nothing. It's all talk. That's just it, it's a political thought exercise, or they would have done something during the government shut downs. This is why they should just let that go, focus on revolutionising within the system with the Justice Dems and candidates like Bernie Sanders. Those people and organisations exist and do tangible things to help their causes, they're not fantasies.
Very happy Beto keeps pushing gun reform in his speeches, I wish that was a more vocal point for more candidates.
Maybe people have talked about this already, but the Biden accussations pretty much kill any chance for Abrams to be his running mate, right? I can't see her wanting to be attached to a person with that controversy
Yeah, I'd say that was the case even before the latest Biden story, going by her response.
Judging by her comments, it seems she wasn't even asked by the campaign, and was a bit frustrated at being seen as a token.
I could be projecting my own thoughts on to the situation. Idk, it always kinda rubbed me the wrong way.
Abrams could be president herself if she decided to run. There's no reason for her to play second fiddle to an old white guy.
Doesn't sound to me like she's in it to win anymore - I think she's trying to be an "influencer" in the primary, steering the conversation and pushing the eventual nominee towards a more Progressive position. She puts her beliefs and what's good for the people before her personal accomplishments. She's awesome like that.
the debt-free college point is one of those issues where I'd really like a more concrete definition of what he means (and I'd like this from essentially everyone that talks about the issue). in particular, a lot of debt-free plans tie directly back to expected family contributions, which often have a really onerous formula (and, surprise - if your family can't pay that "expected family contribution", you still have debt). similarly, are there hoops tied to it e.g. work-study/pledging to work for americorps after graduation/etc? are we speaking about debt-free college or debt-free tuition? (another thing that has come up in the past) is it tied to states increasing spending or is it a national program?
none of these are especially specific asks (I don't need to see the actual EFC formula or something), but I think that "debt-free college" is just far too broad a statement for me to support or not. you have everything from the 2016 clinton plan for "debt-free college", which was "debt-free tuition" to the schatz plan for "debt-free college", which includes considerations for room/board but is reliant on state matching to the sanders plan that's "tuition-free college" but doesn't account for room/board. they all fall short in their own ways, but I do think some are better than others and I do think those differences are incredibly important.
He's been planning on releasing taxes for over 3 years now
"I'm not sure that one incident alone disqualifies anybody"
...wut?
A charitable read is that Bernie obviously knows it's not an isolated incident due to the preponderance of video evidence, and is waiting for more people to come forward and straight up denounce him.
Very few candidates have officially stated that Biden is disqualified.
Very few candidates have officially stated that Biden is disqualified.
Apparently quite a few since he ignored it in his 2016 campaign multiple times
We were attacking Biden more. If posters were making excuses for how Biden's sexual harassment doesn't disqualify him, what do you think would happen?
Oh wait, that happened and people were banned.
"I'm not sure that one incident alone disqualifies anyone"
Just incredibly tone deaf. This is after ignoring sexual harrassment multiple times on his 2016 campaign. Didn't he also write rape fantasies?
Grasping at straws, ad hominem, and false equivalence. I think you just checked all the boxes.
Exactly. No serious candidate is going to call for Biden to drop out, at least until the accusations start piling up.
Here's Lucy Flores on Bernie's take:
Literally no one would be saying that. Create a more realistic straw man.
Every candidate has skeletons. Every single one. The older you are the more you have. Beto needs to start rising in them polls.
"I'm not sure if one incident disqualifies anybody" seemed like it meant "It's not like this was a one time incident" to me, and was coming from somebody who doesn't want to outright smear a vice president and "sow division within the party". Nobody's going to say he should get out of the race before he's even entered, and Biden is going to ride this schrodinger's candidate thing as long as he can because he's a much stronger politician in the abstract than he is in reality.
Maybe Bernie can get all of his evil hackers and Stein voters in his campaign to stop stirring their cauldron just long enough to summon more of the "Biden is a fucking creep" stories.
Maybe Bernie can get all of his evil hackers and Stein voters in his campaign to stop stirring their cauldron just long enough to summon more of the "Biden is a fucking creep" stories.
I'm pretty sure you know the context for all of this, but are just being disingenuous, right?
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