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300K + sign petition for Disney to rehire James Gunn for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
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That's really messed up. :(
Exactly. If he has done that, and Disney hired him in spite of the past tweets, then there is no point to his firing.
Make things better, not worse.
i doubt he's thinking much more than freewheeled bad faith bullshit
Rosanne immediately went back on her apology a few hours after making it.
It's not hard.
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By stanning for their properties, buying their merchandise and turning up for their movies at day one?
Surely, if you cared for Gunn, you'd want him at a better company? Working for people who would have been aware of his history, okay with it and willing to stand by him. Not a company willing to throw him under the bus at the first sign of outrage.
Yeah, that's how it usually is. Imagine if Louis CK did the n word bit on Twitter. However, some work or acts can be criticized regardless.
I'll be honest, the message for the petition should have said something along the lines of "Re-hire James Gunn or we'll boycott Guardians 3" cause right now it's more of a "I don't like that you fired James Gunn, but nothing will really happen to you if you don't re-hire him".
Bottom line is I hate that the Alt-Right got a victory, will skip Guardians 3 if Disney hires a white male to replace Gunn, but will support it if they hire a minority and/or LGBT director to replace him (I don't think there's a chance in hell they re-hire Gunn).
Bottom line is I hate that the Alt-Right got a victory, will skip Guardians 3 if Disney hires a white male to replace Gunn, but will support it if they hire a minority and/or LGBT director to replace him (I don't think there's a chance in hell they re-hire Gunn).
You place violent racism on the same level as rape and pedophilia jokes
And if she didn't?
I dont for one second believe that this much of Era is genuinely this forgiving to everyone that fucks up in this matter.
I don't understand what the difference between a stage and twitter is at that point, he's still a comedian telling a joke.
She did though.
How about discussing reality instead of using convenient hypotheticals
I suppose you could argue that, if Disney fired him immediately without looking into it because they were afraid of the PR, this could show them that the PR may not be that bad? I agree tho, you need Pratt.
I place shitheads with shitheads. Still, what about Rosanne then? IIRC she never got violent.
How?
There are in fact many Twitter accounts that are nothing but joke accounts, a performance art.
How could so many people in Hollywood sign for an actual pedophile sexual assaulter to be welcomed back
If she didn't and honestly changed and tried to right her past wrongs then sure.
But she didn't because you can't fake that shit.
I was responding to somebody who said we had double standards so I pointed out that the circumstances between this incident and past ones are very different. I think (?) we agree on this.
Protected in what sense? They're not protected by law, regardless of the circumstances (beyond that you can't go to jail for them). Disney is of course within their rights and that is not surprising. The court of public opinion has no rules, and that's what we're in now.
Throughout every single new star wars and MCU movie there's been 1 director. And She she's a co-director. And it's for a movie that hasn't even released yet.
One POC too.
Laughable tbh
Iirc the first female head writer was actually with Gunn with the guardians franchise
That seems like a bizarre distinction considering the amount of work (and thought) that goes into a TV show versus a tweet.
How about at least attempting to address the hypothetical rather than shrug it off? An evergreen argument should be able to stand up to that.
You already got a Rosanne answer, but then you imagined an alternate universe Rosanne.
Look. I think James Gunn's tweets are dumb as shit and not in the least bit funny. They're juvenile and embarrassing. They make me cringe and wonder what the fuck this dude was thinking posting them. But they're jokes all the same. If they were presented as anything else, I'd be agreeing with you all the way.
But the fact is that you also recognise them as jokes. That's all the context that matters. Whether you're on stage, in a scripted sitcom or posting on Twitter, the only context that matters here is that they were jokes. It doesn't matter the platform they were delivered on.
If you fin these poorly delivered, unfunny, embarrassing jokes worthy of destroying a man's career for the content they're addressing. You shouldn't be supporting other dudes like Larry David who - although leagues funnier than Gunn, still broaches the same unmentionable shock topics in his humour. Because he recognises that they're jokes.
Tweets can be a form of promotion. They can be defined as a part of work for some people.
You're asking people to defend or argue against a hypothetical, which is kind of hard to do.
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I want him working on his passion project. Let's cut to the chase and be frank: you are a DC fan, you perceive me as a Marvel fan. This isn't about this. I honestly think that Gunn should most definitely one day work for WB and help world build the DC Universe, he has shown willing to do so one day. But this is bigger than Gunn at this point, I don't think geek culture can allow the alt-right to have this win, not without one hell of a fight.
I want Gunn to finish his trilogy. Before, I wanted him to make cosmic Marvel the way he was thinking about, now tho? I just want him to tell his story and then he most definitely should go to WB and make a shit ton of money for making excellent films. But right now, this is way bigger than Marvel and DC. I'm a fan of both, mind you.
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What's more, this is about this post:
I've spent the past two and a half years making a film - probably a good 95% of my non-sleeping life during that time - and sometimes it seems it all comes down to these few weeks of release in theaters. Let me tell you, it's harrowing.
The movie is doing incredibly all over the world - up nearly fifty percent over the first film in most territories, and a breakout hit in countries where it didn't do as well the first time around (hi, Korea!)
I'm exceptionally proud of how well it's doing in the countries I've visited and where I've made many friends the past few years - Thailand, Brazil, Colombia, Russia, the UK. You've all welcomed me into your countries and I'm a better person for my interactions with you.
So, as we open up around the world, I would be lying if I said I don't get distracted by the numbers. The first thing I do in the morning is roll over in bed and check my phone for the morning box office reports.
But, in the end, it's not what matters to me. I write this now to let you know, but also to remind myself. Because I'm human and I sometimes forget.
When I was young I felt utterly alone, at times to the point of suicidal thoughts. I never felt like I belonged, had an incredibly difficult time connecting to other people and, despite having love around me, I had an impossible time experiencing it, or taking it in.
But I found my respite in popular entertainment - Marvel comics, science fiction and horror films, the music of The Sex Pistols, The Replacements, and Queen. Suddenly I could see past the bland suburbs where I lived into a more magical world, a world more aligned with what I imagined. Sometimes these works were simply escapist fantasies that distracted me from the difficulties of my internal life. But other times, in the strongest moments - maybe through the words of Alice Cooper or Freddie Mercury, through Cronenberg films, or even in Chewbacca's growl, I experienced something deeper - the realization that I wasn't completely alone. Someone out there was as weird and strange and whacked out as I was.
So this morning, as the internet discusses box office and its many theories around what that means (zzzzzzzz), I'd like to remember that that's truly all nonsense and noise. The only meaning the money holds for me is that I can pay my mortgage, feed my dog and cat, and continue making movies. I haven't worked two and a half years just to watch a string of numbers getting higher.
I work because I like telling stories. I work because I love the relationships I have with my collaborators. And I do it because I like connecting with people, and the easiest way I know how to do that is through filmmaking. I do it so that some kid in Thailand, or England, or Colombia, or Brazil, or Japan, or Russia, or anywhere, can hear the frequency of his or her own heart bouncing back off the Guardians.
They're a group of heartbroken misfits whose lives have been bereft of tenderness and connection and who have a nearly impossible time trusting themselves or others. But they're learning, one step at a time.
They are me. They are you. We are Groot.
And no matter how much world leaders are telling you we aren't in this together, we are. You are not alone.
Thank you so much, my Facebook friends, for supporting me over the past two and a half years, and thank you for all the messages letting us know we've keyed into the frequency of your hearts. I love you all, and I'll continue being here with you over the next three years as we create Vol. 3.
❤️
James
PS Still blocking spoilers. Sorry.
Source: https://www.facebook.com/jgunn/posts/i've-spent-the-past-two/10154221233461157/
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that's the co director for capt. marvel and taika waititi right?
My man worked at one of the sickest, most perverse, and downright twisted movie companies at the time he made the comments he did.
If people cannot understand he was actually marketing himself and his brand, his social currency if you will, by making such comments, you are actually way more out of touch than I even realized.
Needless to say, I have signed it.
If people cannot understand he was actually marketing himself and his brand, his social currency if you will, by making such comments, you are actually way more out of touch than I even realized.
Needless to say, I have signed it.
yes for the first, and coogler for the 2nd. I thought taika was white?
#BANDANNYDEVITO
Jokes are supposed to be funny, what's funny about pedophilia and rape?
Hypotheticals are what people lean on when they have a terrible argument or no argument.
You running to use people who've actually hurt others as examples isn't very clever either.
Anyway, I made the mistake of engaging you in the first place so that's on me. Now I'm done.
Because there's not many cases like Gunn's. Ideally we would like it for people after being told to stop what they're doing to stop it. Often times when that happens a majority of people in this situation either double down or try to cowardly remove traces of their transgressions and hope it will all blow over. Hardly anyone that has been in these situations have done the right choice in apologizing and stop doing what they're doing. Era rarely defends these people because most of the time these people don't learn the right lesson and don't actually do anything about it but instead make it worse on themselves.
People aren't forgiving because of the fuckup, they're forgiving because of the apology and years of changed behavior.
My point is that if the argument that "people can grow" comes from a legitimate place and not out of fanatacism, it should be applicable to anyone who has done similar things, regardless of who they are or what art they make.
The jokes in question weren't funny partly due to the subject matter but mostly because they were just shitty jokes.
Here's a video from an entire episode about pedophilia and child rape, pretty funny tbh.
I just looked at wiki and he's mixed (his dad is Maori)
I forgot about Coogler. So I guess that's 3
While I cannot comment on the general perception, Gunn's tweets are bad taste--not a representation of his actual views. He did not support pedophilia or rape when he made those tweets. Gibson, on the other hand, revealed part of his ideology to racist. Ideology tends to be more difficult to change, and asking someone to provide proof they are no longer racist is a bit more difficult.
Because Gunn has apologized, stopped said comments, and largely proven himself to be an ally in the years past, forgiveness is easier to give.
Personally, I wouldn't go out of my way to support Mel Gibson, but I also wouldn't ask him to be stripped from a movie should he be a part of its cast.
Ok? Then make it absolutely clear. 100% clear. Even then, not everyone believes this to be true. We can almost all agree a tv show or movie or comedy routine is definitely more official than a Twitter account. People need to accept that.
Just because someone pays you to say it doesn't make it better. That just means whoever paid money to them is on the same level. Your logic doesn't make sense.
Sorry, he should have made it clear when he tweeted those things he wasn't actually raping children? Do you realize the logic?
They were shitty, unfunny, tasteless shock jokes. If you perceived them to be anything else idk what to say
Ok? Then make that case to people? Twitter isn't tv or a movie. I think people getting fired and what not from their Twitter posts should make it more clear. Not everyone believes in the Twitter protection.
I do think shows/movies are viewed differently than things coming from a person's Twitter account. Maybe because of the collaborative nature and deferred responsibility of the former, or because of it being seen as a valid forum for otherwise distasteful humour.
Something like Tropic Thunder would be viewed differently to someone having posted photos on Twitter of themselves wearing blackface, for instance.
Right, and I don't think people will disagree with that, but trying to make a potential hypothetical to discredit the site and its "hypocrisy" is a separate thing. Moreover, unless you think Gunn's "jokes" were born out of sincerity, it's still different than what Roseanne was doing and spreading.