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A veto-proof majority of Minneapolis City Council members will announce today their commitment to disbanding the city’s embattled police department
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someone educate me... genuine question(s)
does this mean all police officers will be let go / made redundant / fired?
because if not, doesn't the problem remain?
does this mean all police officers will be let go / made redundant / fired?
because if not, doesn't the problem remain?
Fascinating! The laboratory of democracy in effect. The litigation involved in this is going to be something.
I've worked in political offices where everyone basically has to get rehired/reappointed every four years, dumping all these cops en masse and then only bringing back certain ones under a different regime/structure is great.
It will be disappointing if this fizzles in the details and hindsight views this as cynical means to end the protests, but for now, exciting!
I've worked in political offices where everyone basically has to get rehired/reappointed every four years, dumping all these cops en masse and then only bringing back certain ones under a different regime/structure is great.
It will be disappointing if this fizzles in the details and hindsight views this as cynical means to end the protests, but for now, exciting!
If it's like Camden the entire force will be fired and then re-interviewed to be rehired.
The police chief is black. You are talking about the union rep.
So what does that mean? Would PD there still exist as is, but the city wouldn't use them? Or they'd fire all of them eventually and have to rebuild the whole PD staff wise, of course with far better training to weed out racists ideologies, etc?
This is huge. The response from the Police Union and the City council's plans moving forward are going to set the tone for reform across the country.
No evidence that was a primary factor (more likely it's the reason people push back), it was mostly just the continual protesting and a stream of video evidence that the police as an institution cannot exercise sound judgement when it comes to force.
The later is what should happen. Fire the entire force including the people at the top and rehire everyone under new regulations and training.
I don't necessarily think it does. If they're hired back on while having a more stringent background check and under different rules/structures it should be fine. Anyone who has anything sketchy on their record should be at the end of the road though, they shouldn't be hired on to whatever the alternative is.
I would argue the police station being burned on a live stream energized the masses and showed they too could organize.
54% of Americans said burning the police station was justified. For America, that's an incredibly high number.
If the current department is dismantled, and all officers are fired, they could still be rehired in the new department.
However, the difference is that the leadership that protects the officers will be different and the new department will probably have much more oversight. The guys running the protection racket would be gone.
wait but there wasn't even an election!
seriously though, this sounds like a start and I'm sure activists will stay vigilant and make sure this isn't hot air
seriously though, this sounds like a start and I'm sure activists will stay vigilant and make sure this isn't hot air
I assume they're governed by the nlrb which will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Camden's homicide rate has gone down, but violent crimes are still bad. The key thing that is keeping camden cops in check is an 18 page document that doesn't make gray area around actions. IE no "you may be prosecuted" and instead "you will be prosecuted". Excessive force can only be used in certain situations and de-escalation has to be first priority.
But that's not random cars and buildings. There's a difference between a riot where you burn down your own neighborhood and burning down the cause of your troubles.
I mean they're not abolishing the police, dismantling and rebuilding isn't abolishing.
Sounds like the government has decided it's easier to restart the department than it is to try and fix it incrementally.
Am I naive for thinking that all reforms necessary would naturally flow from actually having accountability?
If you fuck up as a cop, they know because you have to have a camera on and it is reviewed by an independent authority. If your camera is off, you're fired. Bad cop gone.
Any malfeasance is punished appropriately, up to and including firing/prosecution. Before too long you will lose all the shitty cops and be left with cops who can do their job effectively.
It feels less vulnerable to being fucked up by bad actors.
If you fuck up as a cop, they know because you have to have a camera on and it is reviewed by an independent authority. If your camera is off, you're fired. Bad cop gone.
Any malfeasance is punished appropriately, up to and including firing/prosecution. Before too long you will lose all the shitty cops and be left with cops who can do their job effectively.
It feels less vulnerable to being fucked up by bad actors.
Chris Hayes had one of the City Councilpeople on last week and I found it to be informative, especially the part about the Police use of normalized Union protections without any semblance of worker solidarity to other workers:
The bit about slowdowns in his district is infuriating. The Cops are organized crime.
The bit about slowdowns in his district is infuriating. The Cops are organized crime.
How do you have accountability when everyone is doing what they're supposed to do?
I'll reserve my excitement until we know more details, for all we know it could just be defunding the police by a couple million and "promise" better training and that's it.
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where did I say anything about abolishing? I specifically said they are going against the mayors statement to not defund the police.
So, there will be no more police in Minneapolis ?
I know police suck big time but, doesn't that mean any violent person can just go on a fire-arm rampage without anyone to stop them ?
I know police suck big time but, doesn't that mean any violent person can just go on a fire-arm rampage without anyone to stop them ?
No, a bunch of us have been responding to many questions like this
It means the current PD as it stands will be dismantled and fired, and then rebuilt up by re-interviewing everyone and hopefully having stricter policy on use of force & accountability
What sort of dumb strawmanning is this.
Obviously no one wants this.
Oh, alright then. I don't really know how all of this works so thanks.
I am extremely intetested to see how they're going to do this. Are they going to follow the Camden method or try to implement something wholely new? This is going to require extreme economic and social reorganization if they want to pull it off without just building another police department.
you just KNOW theres gonna be motherfuckers starting shit to try to prove how 'it cant work', same with our education system and lots of gov policies that the gop love to defund and destroy to prove their point. or people pretending to be antifa to show how bad antifa is. but I wish them the best of luck. there's lots of really smart people out there that I'm sure have good solutions
In many major cities, including Minneapolis, police departments are fully half of the city budget.
They have the resources to redirect.
Watch the NYPD and LAPD. I hope they're all trembling right now.
Sounds like a disaster in the making without sensible gun control reform.
