Majority of Minneapolis City Council commits to dismantling city's police department — NBC News
Councilwoman Alondra Cano tweeted that the department isn't "reformable."
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A veto-proof majority of Minneapolis City Council members will announce today their commitment to disbanding the city’s embattled police department
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So... what's going to prevent the same bullshit from reoccurring? What are they going to change in the system to prevent the same blockages and issues?
So excited about this, I really hope other cities join in. The current police are not salvageable and need to be torn down before we can see real change.
yep. it's not enough to just shuffle new people in who will stay low a bit then just revert back. The entire format of how it functions needs a revamp and FAR more oversight. And No guns.
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The idea, roughly as I've seen, is to divert funds to other social services to prevent the root causes of crime while police as we know them are much more restricted in what they deal with.
From the Bloomberg article on Camden: "The department adopted an 18-page use-of-force policy in 2019, developed with New York University's Policing Project. The rules emphasize that de-escalation has to come first. Deadly force—such as a chokehold or firing a gun—can only be used in certain situations, once every other tactic has been exhausted."
"An officer who sees a colleague violating the edict must intervene; the department can fire any officer it finds acted out of line. By the department's account, reports of excessive force complaints in Camden have dropped 95% since 2014."
But what will network television do without the NYPD for their limitless cop procedurals(read: propaganda) all inexplicably set in New York for some reason?
Ah darn, I thought it was drastically down across the board. But still glad it's still overall a net positive.
Importantly, whatever entity is formed after the dissolution of the police department would presumably have to re-unionize and renegotiate a contract. This gives the city leverage to implement more accountability from the start, versus trying to negotiate reform within an existing framework.
So do people think other progressive cities will try this too or will everyone wait and see how this plays out first?
The new Police force, Camden County, has over 100 more officers than the former Camden City Police Department. Add almost 50% more Police officers to any Police force and crime should drop by a lot.
Two years of the Camden County Police Department: By the numbers
Friday marked the two-year anniversary of the Camden County Police Department taking over public safety responsibilities from the former Camden City police.
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The new Police force, Camden County, has over 100 more officers than the former Camden City police force. Add almost 50% more Police officers to any Police force and crime should drop by a lot.
Two years of the Camden County Police Department: By the numbers
Friday marked the two-year anniversary of the Camden County Police Department taking over public safety responsibilities from the former Camden City police.
They are also paid less and they dramatically shaped it towards a community policing model. More doesn't mean bad necessarily.
The new Police force, Camden County, has over 100 more officers than the former Camden City police force. Add almost 50% more offices to any Police force and crime should drop by a lot.
Two years of the Camden County Police Department: By the numbers
Friday marked the two-year anniversary of the Camden County Police Department taking over public safety responsibilities from the former Camden City police.
And yet excess force complaints against the Camden police dropped 95% which, to me, is the most important stat to look at it.
This is a solution I was thinking about but the logistics of replacing almost everyone felt like it would be challenge. I hope and wish them luck to transition gracefully.
Right. It is a community policing model and training is for actual peace keeping, not being scared little bitches and just beating the shit out of people and cuffing them.
My wife's ex is a cop. He dropped off old artwork of hers a couple weeks ago literally right before all this popped off, and he's like yeah the squad car is all busted up from smashing people against the car. It was like, cool, I guess.
I'm not arguing against that. Police in some form will always exist though. Youth programs, harm minimization and community work are obviously far more effective than police work, however there is obviously a requirement for some level of law enforcement, regardless of what name you want to apply to it.
There are many police forces worldwide that while flawed, have nowhere near the death toll or militarization that police departments in the US do.
The idea of defunding or abolishing, is either a complete and utter messaging failure if it doesn't mean what the words say, or completely unachievable. That's why IMO with the video of Frey is largely counter-productive. No mayor would ever agree to the terms abolish or defund the police, because it means their complete removal and absence of law enforcement.
Drastic changes are required to law enforcement, especially in the US. Breaking it down and rebuilding it from the ground up when it comes to leadership, ethos, powers and training makes absolute sense, the complete absence of it is not an answer.
Look what up? An inaccurate catch-phrase?
Citizens are already protecting their city.
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After nights of violence in Minneapolis, locals take up arms to defend their community
In the aftermath of George Floyd's death, a neighborhood group in north Minneapolis, backed by the local NAACP chapter, is patrolling the streets to prevent ...
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To be fair this is the police force that perpetrated the event that got everyone so fucking angry they burned down the precinct and most of the world protested. Minneapolis itself was always going to be dealt with the harshest in any reality after this.
Citizens are already protecting their city.
After nights of violence in Minneapolis, locals take up arms to defend their community
In the aftermath of George Floyd's death, a neighborhood group in north Minneapolis, backed by the local NAACP chapter, is patrolling the streets to prevent ...
Thank you for posting this, made my night. Incredible watch, and I salute and wish everyone involved rebuilding their community all the best. God bless them.
Likely starting over, with a preventative focus, new bylaws, and likely even if you were a former cop, you'd have to interview like everyone else.
Edit: As someone else said, I would love if the new force doesn't even have the word "Police". Call them Rangers, or Guards or something less tainted.
Can't wait to see what they roll out. Hopefully it has some good results and catches on elsewhere.
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If you can't be arsed to do the research yourself there's zero point to continue engaging with you.
The police department is being disbanded outright, and replaced with some new system? This outcome is beyond what I expected when the protests were first starting. This is seriously impressive.
I hope this, or something like it, catches on and becomes a trend. I could use some large-scale good news right about now.
I hope this, or something like it, catches on and becomes a trend. I could use some large-scale good news right about now.
I've done research and I'm well aware of the position. Unfortunately, the vast majority of people do not know what abolish or defund mean in this context and you're expecting a mayor to say he will take that action.
If a mayor says they will abolish or defund (ie cease funding, not reduce budget) the police, what do you think that actually says? That is what he was asked in that protest before unceremoniously getting walked.
I don't actually disagree with rebuilding from the ground up and changing the power and purpose of law enforcement, which is what it actually means. That does actually cost money though.
Exactly this. So much defeatism before we've even tried anything.
Not really a catalyst for change if you're saying you've been defeated or stopped before you've even started.
1) 1000% chance
2) a greater than 0% chance
Citizens are already protecting their city.
After nights of violence in Minneapolis, locals take up arms to defend their community
In the aftermath of George Floyd's death, a neighborhood group in north Minneapolis, backed by the local NAACP chapter, is patrolling the streets to prevent ...
I am one of them. Ready to roll on reports of any bullshit. Haven't been getting much sleep but I'll keep it up as long as I need. Actually just rolled up on some NG dudes and asked how they were doing if they needed anything and let them know I was rolling around. They were appreciative.
Recall everyone that areas of New Jersey disbanded there police force a few years ago.
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And Northern Ireland disbanded their police nearly two decades ago.
This can happen and can lead to change.
No one is saying we don't need law enforcement, what we are saying is that we don't need racist assholes being our law enforcement.
Why Camden, N.J., the Murder Capital of the Country, Disbanded Its Police Force
In hopes of reducing the city's high crime rate, Camden, N.J., made a controversial and unprecedented move a year ago to replace its police force.
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And Northern Ireland disbanded their police nearly two decades ago.
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This can happen and can lead to change.
No one is saying we don't need law enforcement, what we are saying is that we don't need racist assholes being our law enforcement.
Yup. All the people shouting "vOtE" into the void looking pretty silly now. This would never have been accomplished through voting.
Things like "Oh Trump will win Minnesora now", that it will descend into total chaos, that liberals are crazies who don't want law enforcement at all, etc.
The first one is particularly dumb because the police likely won't be actually disbanded this year. The idea that they will disband the police before the replacement is ready, which will take some time (Minneapolis gov't moves like molasses tbh), is completely absurd. Also Minneapolis has only 400k people in a state with over 5 million people, it probably won't affect much anyways.
Guardians would be cool, this new group is supposed to guard and protect the people. Not beat up people.
Technically, the council members were elected through voting and voted on this decision...
Maybe I'm too cynical, but I don't see how this doesn't get sabotaged/messed up from institutional forces.
This is a tremendous move, but I have zero faith that it will be copied by enough cities and towns to matter.
I don't mean to be a downer, but there are just too many people in too many cities that support the police for it to be a feasible move by the local politicians. They would be crucified in many places for even suggesting the idea.
I don't mean to be a downer, but there are just too many people in too many cities that support the police for it to be a feasible move by the local politicians. They would be crucified in many places for even suggesting the idea.
