Majority of Minneapolis City Council commits to dismantling city's police department — NBC News
Councilwoman Alondra Cano tweeted that the department isn't "reformable."
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So... what's going to prevent the same bullshit from reoccurring? What are they going to change in the system to prevent the same blockages and issues?If it's like what they did in Camden, NJ (https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/01/what-happened-to-crime-in-camden/549542/) they're essentially shutting down the police department and rebuilding it from scratch. New grunts, new chiefs, new everything.
yep. it's not enough to just shuffle new people in who will stay low a bit then just revert back. The entire format of how it functions needs a revamp and FAR more oversight. And No guns.So... what's going to prevent the same bullshit from reoccurring? What are they going to change in the system to prevent the same blockages and issues?
The mayor was asked to abolish the police, to which he said no. This also doesn't defund the police.
How exactly does one rebuild a police department without funding?
The idea, roughly as I've seen, is to divert funds to other social services to prevent the root causes of crime while police as we know them are much more restricted in what they deal with.The mayor was asked to abolish the police, to which he said no. This also doesn't defund the police.
How exactly does one rebuild a police department without funding?
So... what's going to prevent the same bullshit from reoccurring? What are they going to change in the system to prevent the same blockages and issues?
But what will network television do without the NYPD for their limitless cop procedurals(read: propaganda) all inexplicably set in New York for some reason?Watch the NYPD and LAPD. I hope they're all trembling right now.
Ah darn, I thought it was drastically down across the board. But still glad it's still overall a net positive.Yes and no. Homicides went down, but violent assaults remain kind of high. Also they saw a small uptick in more petty crimes.
What went down big time was complaints against officers.
LETS GOOOO!
Two down, countless more to go!
They'll probably look at Camden, NJ as a model.
The header says "reform" but the actual title says "remade" which is way more accurate:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...den-new-jersey-reformed-its-police-department
They defunded and dissolved their local PD and completely replaced it. And what do you know? Crime went waaaaaay down, and they've had super peaceful demonstrations this past week. I'm glad more papers and news orgs are holding them up as an example to follow.
395: Total number of Camden County police officers as of May 1, 2015.
401: The number of officers officials said was their ultimate goal in 2013.
270: The approximate number of officers in the former Camden City Police at the time of Mayor Dana Redd's August 2012 announcement that the department would be disbanded.
200: The number Camden City officers just before the changeover on May 1, 2013.
And they'd get wind of the watchmen group...and still do something. If that were their aim.
The new Police force, Camden County, has over 100 more officers than the former Camden City police force. Add almost 50% more Police officers to any Police force and crime should drop by a lot.
Two years of the Camden County Police Department: By the numbers
Friday marked the two-year anniversary of the Camden County Police Department taking over public safety responsibilities from the former Camden City police.www.nj.com
The new Police force, Camden County, has over 100 more officers than the former Camden City police force. Add almost 50% more offices to any Police force and crime should drop by a lot.
Two years of the Camden County Police Department: By the numbers
Friday marked the two-year anniversary of the Camden County Police Department taking over public safety responsibilities from the former Camden City police.www.nj.com
And yet excess force complaints against the Camden police dropped 95% which, to me, is the most important stat to look at it.
I'm not arguing against that. Police in some form will always exist though. Youth programs, harm minimization and community work are obviously far more effective than police work, however there is obviously a requirement for some level of law enforcement, regardless of what name you want to apply to it.The idea, roughly as I've seen, is to divert funds to other social services to prevent the root causes of crime while police as we know them are much more restricted in what they deal with.
Look what up? An inaccurate catch-phrase?
Citizens are already protecting their city.
After nights of violence in Minneapolis, locals take up arms to defend their community
In the aftermath of George Floyd's death, a neighborhood group in north Minneapolis, backed by the local NAACP chapter, is patrolling the streets to prevent ...www.youtube.com
Likely starting over, with a preventative focus, new bylaws, and likely even if you were a former cop, you'd have to interview like everyone else.So this means they will have no police force or they are starting over completely?
Can't wait to see what they roll out. Hopefully it has some good results and catches on elsewhere.My girl knows the people who are behind this. They were going to try it in St. Paul before the protests. Mayor Carter didn't want to do it.
It is an entire system y'all. The deployment, the hiring, the training, the funding, the interconnection with other emergency services. It is a ground up proposal.
This is really the real deal. Minneapolis is about to show how it should be done in the United States.
I've done research and I'm well aware of the position. Unfortunately, the vast majority of people do not know what abolish or defund mean in this context and you're expecting a mayor to say he will take that action.If you can't be arsed to do the research yourself there's zero point to continue engaging with you.
Exactly this. So much defeatism before we've even tried anything.The idea that an alternative is too difficult to comprehend and we need to everything detailed before any action occurs is exactly why the shittiest of systematic status-quo has been in place for so long.
They're not just kicking all the cops to curb over night and declaring marshall law from now on. The current entire system is clearly and absolutely broken and needs change as immediately as possible.
This is fantastic.
What are the odds that the police union will try their hardest to stonewall this?
What are the odds that some of these council members suddenly die in "accidents"?
Citizens are already protecting their city.
After nights of violence in Minneapolis, locals take up arms to defend their community
In the aftermath of George Floyd's death, a neighborhood group in north Minneapolis, backed by the local NAACP chapter, is patrolling the streets to prevent ...www.youtube.com
Wild times my friend. We will prevail.I'm still processing this. Got home from a long day of work and this still doesn't seem real.
The racist are losing their collective shit about this.
It's pretty funny to watch.
Things like "Oh Trump will win Minnesora now", that it will descend into total chaos, that liberals are crazies who don't want law enforcement at all, etc.
Guardians would be cool, this new group is supposed to guard and protect the people. Not beat up people.Likely starting over, with a preventative focus, new bylaws, and likely even if you were a former cop, you'd have to interview like everyone else.
Edit: As someone else said, I would love if the new force doesn't even have the word "Police". Call them Rangers, or Guards or something less tainted.
Technically, the council members were elected through voting and voted on this decision...Yup. All the people shouting "vOtE" into the void looking pretty silly now. This would never have been accomplished through voting.