There will be a massive public opinion battle with the first few police reforms and the cops will have a direct interest in making sure any reforms fail. The battle for the reforms needed will be ugly and difficult.
someone educate me... genuine question(s)
does this mean all police officers will be let go / made redundant / fired?
because if not, doesn't the problem remain?
The police chief is black. You are talking about the union rep.
thank you. yes i was thinking of the wrong person thenThe police chief is black. You are talking about the union rep.
So what does that mean? Would PD there still exist as is, but the city wouldn't use them? Or they'd fire all of them eventually and have to rebuild the whole PD staff wise, of course with far better training to weed out racists ideologies, etc?
No evidence that was a primary factor (more likely it's the reason people push back), it was mostly just the continual protesting and a stream of video evidence that the police as an institution cannot exercise sound judgement when it comes to force.
someone educate me... genuine question(s)
does this mean all police officers will be let go / made redundant / fired?
because if not, doesn't the problem remain?
Are they going to turn against the Union? Prevent another one from forming?
I would argue the police station being burned on a live stream energized the masses and showed they too could organize.
54% of Americans said burning the police station was justified. For America, that's an incredibly high number.
I've seen it mentioned elsewhere that Camden NJ did this and basically amounted to a union busting strategy, but with 5 years the union was back anyway
But that's not random cars and buildings. There's a difference between a riot where you burn down your own neighborhood and burning down the cause of your troubles.I would argue the police station being burned on a live stream energized the masses and showed they too could organize.
54% of Americans said burning the police station was justified. For America, that's an incredibly high number.
I mean they're not abolishing the police, dismantling and rebuilding isn't abolishing.What does it fucking say about your leadership when you publicly get fucking shamed GoT style at a protest rally where you said you weren't going to defund the police and then your city council is like "nah fuck that we are gonna do it"
bye bye mayor fuck head.
How do you have accountability when everyone is doing what they're supposed to do?Am I naive for thinking that all reforms necessary would naturally flow from actually having accountability?
You mean the police rioting lol?
I mean they're not abolishing the police, dismantling and rebuilding isn't abolishing.
Sounds like the government has decided it's easier to restart the department than it is to try and fix it incrementally.
So, there will be no more police in Minneapolis ?
I know police suck big time but, doesn't that mean any violent person can just go on a fire-arm rampage without anyone to stop them ?
You mean like the police?So, there will be no more police in Minneapolis ?
I know police suck big time but, doesn't that mean any violent person can just go on a fire-arm rampage without anyone to stop them ?
So, there will be no more police in Minneapolis ?
I know police suck big time but, doesn't that mean any violent person can just go on a fire-arm rampage without anyone to stop them ?
No, a bunch of us have been responding to many questions like this
It means the current PD as it stands will be dismantled and fired, and then rebuilt up by re-interviewing everyone and hopefully having stricter policy on use of force & accountability
I am extremely intetested to see how they're going to do this. Are they going to follow the Camden method or try to implement something wholely new? This is going to require extreme economic and social reorganization if they want to pull it off without just building another police department.
Sounds like a disaster in the making without sensible gun control reform.There's no way they'd actually abolish the police, but they can definitely severely cut the powers that police officers have. If they're smart they'll even take guns off most of the police force and instead have a specialised, heavily vetted and highly trained group with access to firearms.
I know here in the UK we have a secondary number, 111, for non-emergency medical help. Maybe they could do something like that? Instead of calling 911 to ask the police to check on your neighbours, there could be an alternative number where someone else will do a welfare check without shooting at shadows.