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SCU would be more appealing to me if they were presented as heels. The uncool dads who don't realize they're lame is a good schtick for a heel, but it's still cringey to me as faces because it's not clear to me that they DON'T think they are cool.
Im a little dubious on factions as it is, but I was happy with how they introduced the Inner Circle yesterday. Just keep it small. I would be okay if there were no new members to be honest. I was a little worried when they teased MJF that this was going to turn into the nWo.
He's been as good as anybody in AEW so far, as an overall package. I was completely out of the loop when he left WWE and went to the independents, but my impression is that he's been dragged by a reputation that he's not "legit" because he came through the WWE machine and people don't respect him the same way they do a Kenny Omega who came up the "proper" way. It's either that or the old school style is just completely lost on the current generation of wrestling fan.
I was bored today so I whipped this up
This is wonderful. You should tweet it at those involved.
I'm convinced this is it. He's the antithesis of the Young Bucks' style, and WrasslERA eats them up.
Note that it isn't a knock to say that, nor is it saying Bucks are bad. They're phenomenal at what they set out to do.
Darby vs. Jimmy. Yikes. Was something exciting going on in baseball then, or people just didn't like it?
Also, more Riho.
For long term growth, that is the only option. Kenny, Bucks, Cody, etc can eat the losses easily now to bring up more stars. They'll be forgotten in 6 months. Yesterday alone had Private Party looking like a million bucks along side Allen becoming a contender.
Im pretty sure that PSX-type promo of Jimmy Havoc scared a lot of people lmao
Having had only tuned into the previous week as the entirety of my wrestling experience, between the Havoc promo, the emo v. emo aesthetic, and the opening going in on excessive finger-biting, I was ready to tune out. The fact that they both look like they got their facial accessories carpooling to a recently opened seasonal Halloween store doesn't help.
haha okay, done, tweeted it out to kenny. it'd sure be nice if he saw it.
Havoc has generally been a turnoff but a lot of people seem to have good opinions of him from his previous work. Is this something like the Dark Order where the presentation so far just hasn't been right? They need to let him talk more, or have some kind of angle, or really lean into the hardcore stuff. Just putting him out there to wrestle standard matches comes across pretty flat.
Darby, on the other hand, has such a presence and is so unique that I think he's going to get over big no matter what direction they go with him.
Darby, on the other hand, has such a presence and is so unique that I think he's going to get over big no matter what direction they go with him.
He's too fucking old for his gimmick. He's north of 35 years old, balding, and still shops at Hot Topic. MJF was spitting truth.
Also, his voice is not menacing to an American audience, it's goofy.
In general he needs a repackaging....
I work merchandising in different supermarkets and I hear his fucking voice every time i see the product. This post wont help.
18 months from now, and assuming that AEW steadily establishes their brand, is WWE in panic mode?
Have we ever seen WWE in panic mode in the past?
And what would it look like? Perhaps it was Vince screwing over Bret Hart before he left for WCW, but some have argued that it manifested with the Billionaire Ted bits.
We've already seen what WCW in panic mode looks like, but the WWE doesn't have the tenuous financial standing that WCW did during the Monday Night Wars, so its possible we've never seen them reacting to an existential crisis.
Jimmy Havoc just seems like the guy who'll really only shine on PPV matches and possibly "unsanctioned" matches, where he gets the opportunity to really go for more hardcore stuff. The Cracker barrel clash was a good demo of what he can do. Watered down Jimmy Havoc really isn't the best thing in the world.
RAW and Smackdown had both 1 billion dollar multi-year deals.
NXT is "only" a 40 million deal.
There's no way Vince is concerned about this. Those 40 Million almost came free, because NXT is still in full sail, and people that are suscribed to the network because NXT, probably hasn't cancelled their sub.
I think WWE already runs in a mini-panic mode, honestly. This year alone, we'll see two drafts, the introduction and end of a wild card rule, multiple reunion shows, other non-sense show branding (eg season premieres). I'm not sure they have any other go-to moves to try to pop the ratings. They have completely lost touch of what makes anyone watch wrestling, or watch sports, or watch any entertainment in general.
I can't think of many bland and boring wrestlers that pop the roof off.
THEY POP HIM BECAUSE HE CREATED AEW, JUST AND ONLY FOR THAT!!
So let me get this straight. Cody is bland. AEW really did terrible ratings because people just left their TVs on and didn't watch (but this doesn't apply to USA network I guess). Vince isn't concerned about NXT ratings despite pulling out every stop to get good ratings. Jimmy Havok is goofy.
I burned my fingers trying to recap these takes.
I burned my fingers trying to recap these takes.
Im sure vince must have some concern about it (isnt that vince is more busy with the XFL that doesnt care much of NXT?) but jesus, people talk like Haitch's position is in risk.
I'm telling you, big reason I don't post here with any frequency anymore. It's almost like half the wrestling fans here saw a few who legit believed their dumb fucking thoughts get a lot of quotes over it, and thought "I can top that", only it does an even Worse job each time of standing up to any basic reasoning, logic, or any evidence anyone's able to quote beyond "My Gut Is Usually Pretty Good At Not Lying To Me"
There's cynicism that's deserved and based in reality, and then there's...whatever's happened in AEW threads since shows started happening regularly
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dont forget adam page still needs pants
I'd only want to see Bea Priestley join and that's all.
Darby and Havok aren't know to US audiences. Both have a similar look. I'm not surprised their singles match didn't draw as well as the matches with more people in. Darby isn't over yet with the wider audience who didn't watch Fyter Fest but he will get there. Hell he might have already managed that with the skateboard attack. He's going to be sitting much prettier after that title match next week. The fun memorable stuff Havok has done hasn't been shown on TV. Give him and hell all the people who literally have had one single match on TNT more than one single match before you write them off.
That passive aggressive statement from WWE last week about Wednesday night ratings tells you Vince is shook. They didn't need to say anything, and they posted that bitter sprint vs marathon nonsense. NXT may yet grow their audience, just like I think AEW will, but short term it's hard to see what they can do to top AEW's ratings. And that's not touching on the demographic breakdown.
Cody is a star right now. He gets the biggest pops. The MJF swerve (and the love he got afterwards) only works because of it. Look at that post show promo. He cares. He's comes over as authentic. It's connecting with people.
On the flip side, it's fucking embarrassing seeing the Torch predict this week would do higher numbers than last. It was a widely marketed debut. Not everyone who gave it a chance is going to like it and word of mouth doesn't happen overnight. Plus let's be fair, last week was good but not great like this week.
That passive aggressive statement from WWE last week about Wednesday night ratings tells you Vince is shook. They didn't need to say anything, and they posted that bitter sprint vs marathon nonsense. NXT may yet grow their audience, just like I think AEW will, but short term it's hard to see what they can do to top AEW's ratings. And that's not touching on the demographic breakdown.
Cody is a star right now. He gets the biggest pops. The MJF swerve (and the love he got afterwards) only works because of it. Look at that post show promo. He cares. He's comes over as authentic. It's connecting with people.
On the flip side, it's fucking embarrassing seeing the Torch predict this week would do higher numbers than last. It was a widely marketed debut. Not everyone who gave it a chance is going to like it and word of mouth doesn't happen overnight. Plus let's be fair, last week was good but not great like this week.
Pushing the idea that "Cody Rhodes is bland" is a hot take is laughable.
"The most interesting thing about Cody Rhodes is his last name" is not even Pop-eyes Spicy tier.
Right. Launching a promotion with the Young Bucks thats beating the WWE in head to head ratings. Not interesting enough for you.
The guy doesn't even go by Rhodes anymore. Not sure how he's getting all these pops without it.
To be fair, he is going by Rhodes but can't use the name because 'Cody Rhodes' is owned by WWE.
He's a great businessman! Kudos to him. Seriously. AEW is a monumental achievement. Doesn't mean I care to see him on my television as an entertainer.
And your last point, lol. Do you think the audience suddenly forgot his lineage because he dropped his surname on TV?
Like people know how much I disliked Cody at NJPW, but here he's doing mostly great and he's at the spot he needs to be. His old school matches have become a spectacle ( good promos, video packages, presentation, entrances, style that benefits his weakness ). He's the best promo of the Elite and is doing a fine job hyping the show. Besides, it's only the second show, like give it time before overanalyzing booking and ratings stuff. Oh, and fuck WWE.
Nope. Nope. Nope.
He can use it. He chooses not to. So it's not like he's leaning on it as hard as possible.
I can't recall another time where people wanted something, got it, then became so damn critical of it.
And that's why Dustin gets less of a reaction!
Cody is over. He could lean on his last name more than he does. The crowds aren't hot for him because his Dad is Dusty. When has someone having an amazing dad ever been enough? Remember David Flair? Me neither.
You don't have to like him, but you could at least stop pretending you can speak to why so many people are enjoying what he's doing now compared to what he's done elsewhere.
Just finished NWA Powerrr episode 1. That was way more compelling and better than it had any right to be. I think I've found my number two North American promotion.
Not sure where the Cody hate is coming from, but I want no parts of it. I've enjoyed pretty much everything he's done in AEW thus far and don't find him bland at all. To each his own though, I guess..
I agree. He started strong and has been incredibly consistent for AEW.
Anyone who thinks that Cody is over because he's 2nd generation should be reminded that he effectively got his start as part of a stable with Ted DiBiase Jr. and Sim Snuka, and both those motherfuckers' careers went absolutely nowhere despite their pedigrees.
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