I don't believe I said that. What I did say is that I don't care about whatever image you generated with a dubious application. I'm not curious about it's capabilities regarding that. I'm not "thinking about those possibilities." I'm much more interesting in
Not due to fake videos of candidates or even fake quotes. The reasons he won are still way more sinister and prevalent currently than the idea of people falling for AI shit. If anything the political powers that be that run on constant misinformation don't even need AI help when it comes to spreading misinformation. They just say shit and run with it with any response being "fake news" and running for that for 7 years has political consequences as we saw last year where their hyped up "red wave" was anything but.
There are several places to discuss how to easily pick these things apart at a first glance. Again, my eyes are inherently biased for the whole twenty years+ of artistry bit.
I think the concern about how often people will fall for ths pre-regulation currently outweighs the actual risk it poses to misinformation campaigns, given how those have functioned for the past seven years. The people evil enough to use this as a tool with misinformation have the political humor of a person who uses 4chan and loves Elon Musk. They aren't smart enough to come up with something that's super misleading that would have a drastic effect on the perception of a candidate. Hell, a huge chunk of their motivation comes from chasing clout instead of having any strong political positions, and that goes doubly so for people actively trying to fight "wokeness." Hence my comparison to the "blacks rule" photos. The people who believed that photo was of a real event that actually happened, are already the type to take umbrage something that comically unrealistic.
You can't discuss its potential (horrible) ramifications without highlighting its potential. To say its interesting or impressive has nothing to do with normalizing its use. I'm not calling for people to keep using it, I'm very much worried that it can be used as a political weapon.
Oh so the average person is going to have visited these apparent places to learn the tips and tricks to identifying fake images that will no doubt be put of date in 6 months?
I believe we should constantly normalize discussing how and why it falls short without end, especially the bit where these are the "best foot forward." That's why I did not say "we should ban this wholesale from era." Highlight the flaws, and continue normalizing the backlash.
People use twitter, discord, and tiktok very frequently yes.
I feel like we're of opposing opinions when it comes to how competent the average person is in situations where they're told to examine. I mean, the inconsistency alone would be a dead giveaway.
It's not dismissive to point out the failings, while simultaneously highlighting what's currently happening regarding the legality, and possible lack thereof given the sheer amount of theft involved.
There's currently software being built to detect it, as well as software that protects one's art. As well as ongoing lawsuits, and website rules being changed to discourage if not outright ban it's use. AI chuds are gonna continue to fight those mind you. But stuff IS being done to make it not so comically easy to say, train a model off of up and coming artists or popular artists. That's how we got to this point in the first place was the only being done was simply telling chuds to fuck off and pick up a pencil instead of stealing. Now if only our legal system wasn't so slow.
Typing words and having a computer generate based off of stolen imagery does not make a person an artist.
No - but the barometer to create art is going to change the definition of artist. I don't agree with it - but this is so powerful.
It's simple, there's actual artists. And then there's you know several centuries of traditional workflows and decades of digital workflows where the tools for genuine self expression for people who have genuine influences and an actual voice get better and better.
I'm much more concerned about the future of people who'll be much more impacted by this than boomers on Facebook.
We may be talking about different thingsā¦
That's what people are directly trying to avoid and why they're fighting it. And why a company like Netflix got absolutely roasted for attempting to do that very thing and producing something much more subpar than if they just paid their artists a living wage. Or more recently, the Corridor Crew creating a tiktok filter and boasting that they changed animation as we know it. With LITERALLY every aspect of the video that didn't look like shit, having nothing to do with AI, and instead having to do with their decade+ of experience making parody videos.
Right. I don't think we disagree, and maybe how I initially said it was wrong.
Lmao, yes. My folks will get altered images (not even AI-generated) and be like: "did you hear about this?!".My dad had this box of hair dye, and the model on the box was a rendered 3d model. I told him that it wasn't a real person and it was created. He was looking at the box and couldn't wrap his head around the possibility of it not being a real person, lol
Right. I think this got into more of a semantic level. I meant the producers of art in general.
Full sail never going to agree with calling the people behind AI image generation artists. Is my overall point. They're not invited to the party. Even though they desperately wanna force their way into it. Or at worst, wanna crash it.
only a matter of time honestly. this stuff is improving at a ridiculous rate.
Because I actually pay attention to the current political state of politics and how little of an effect edited videos have on misinformation campaigns, especially as Gen Z ages, compared to the past 7 years of Trump's tactics being the mainstay of the GOP. I'm much more concerned about that than the hypothetical and part of that is fueled by the top of community currently fueling AI development. They're FAR more obnoxiously narcissistic and shallow than they are actively sinister. They're far more concerned with sure this shit can create their fictional wives than they are the political state of the U.S. I consider that a net positive hence me not doomposting about how effective this will be in THAT specific regard. They're far more concerned about the clout. The far right itself, functions entirely on incredibly transparent levels of misinformation where in the point is not making someone think Joe Biden says the n word with a deepfake. Hell why do you think they're going after voting laws involving younger people who grew up in a digital age and are now able to vote and make it clear via social media that shit's not sticking outside of specific areas?
Do you know how much more you have to know about art than the average AI chud to actually know how to use photoshop in any meaningful way? This is more of a "I didn't expect the leopard to eat MY face" situation. Because as you send, it's straight up just editing stolen art in the first place. You could LITERALLY do that already with photoshop with no AI involved. I could download a random image from my feed, and do that with photoshop. I would still at the end of the day be using stolen imagery that I chose to edit.
Do NOT attempt to legitimize AI image generation by comparing it directly to dadaist cut-ups. That's NOT what it is. And you either don't see the difference due to not being an artist, or you do and are being disingenuous with this comparison.
We are definitely also not putting a "tier of artists" so that AI chuds can feel better about themselves and still feel like they're invited to the table.
Probably just Nvidia tbh. AFAIK there's pretty much no one using RocM over CUDA. Nvidia also has much better cloud infrastructure support in terms of AWS integration, etc. Unfortunately, there's gonna be a ton of businesses like MidJourney who are less interested in releasing software that runs locally on a GPU and more interested in renting out access to their cloud GPU instances for a subscription.
And that would still be (a form of) art, is my point. But I've always had a pretty liberal view of what qualifies, YMMV.
wow, well when you put it that way.
Because I actually pay attention to the current political state of politics and how little of an effect edited videos have on misinformation campaigns, especially as Gen Z ages, compared to the past 7 years of Trump's tactics being the mainstay of the GOP. I'm much more concerned about that than the hypothetical and part of that is fueled by the top of community currently fueling AI development. They're FAR more obnoxiously narcissistic and shallow than they are actively sinister. They're far more concerned with sure this shit can create their fictional wives than they are the political state of the U.S. I consider that a net positive hence me not doomposting about how effective this will be in THAT specific regard. They're far more concerned about the clout. The far right itself, functions entirely on incredibly transparent levels of misinformation where in the point is not making someone think Joe Biden says the n word with a deepfake. Hell why do you think they're going after voting laws involving younger people who grew up in a digital age and are now able to vote and make it clear via social media that shit's not sticking outside of specific areas?
Now don't misunderstand, eventually, theoretically, this COULD become a major source of political disinformation that heavily affect a wide population and not a demographic that can be defined as Facebook boomers. But again, the far right exploitation of algorithms to bolster misinformation has never needed AI beyond sock accounts to spread misinformation.
Fake News Gets More Engagement on FacebookāBut Only If It's Right-Wing
Far-right pages that publish misinformation get the most interactions by far compared to other news sources, new research shows.www.wired.com
That video has more effort in it's production than the AI images created after this thread's creation. And requires a formal education of involving at some point being an artist. And most definitely more effort put into it than any AI image generated an Era member. And it's STILL, not putting in as much effort as genuinely starting with a clear idea in mind and then iterating on that idea and actually expressing oneself. Yes, editing art with your knowledge of art fundamentals that you've trained for years will result in an edited AI image. Because the person in question was already an artist before that.
