Not surprised in the least that some devs are against it, but they have pretty much no power on the situation.
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Anthem Dev Responds to Lootbox Concerns
- Thread starter Aokiji
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What the hell? I thought NFS:P is single player onlyThe new Need for Speed has a ton of MTs. You can use real money to buy the Speed Points which can purchase lootboxes, or you can grind to obtain Speed Points in game. However, there's a 30 minute refresh timer for the in-game currency purchased stuff. The lootboxes can contain fast cars.
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I fully expect Anthem to follow Destiny's loot box model, just hope they got a proper endgame this time
The game will have Loot Boxes, or a loot store, at best it will be similar to Destiny. The game is almost guaranteed to also have a "deluxe" edition. That gives early access or exclusive access to some gear. That's just par for the course with EA, and increasingly other companies. Those are a given, and to a degree I accept them. But what frustrates me is the doubling up nowadays, of full priced game, loot boxes and paid DLC.
I don't get why we're talking about Destiny here. Destiny microtransaction system isn't really bad. I mean - when you compare it to Battlefront 2 or new NFS. Bright Engram are just cosmetic items and low-level mods. I'm worried that in Anthem you will be able to somehow buy currency to get actual better gear.
But I hope they will surprise me.
But I hope they will surprise me.
Nope, it has online racing. And the best part is that you race with the cars you've customised in story mode so you'll keep on losing to players with better cars unless you grind like crazy to max the speed rating out or start paying for microtransactions.
If EA wants lootbox-only progression in the game, then the game will get lootbox-only progression. If BioWare would refuse then EA would easily close down the studio and give it to another that is more compliant.
It's nice to see some resistance, but you can be sure if push comes to shove, BioWare will comply with the publisher.
It's nice to see some resistance, but you can be sure if push comes to shove, BioWare will comply with the publisher.
"We hear you." is meaningless in this case, BioWare aren't the ones who decide on monetization. Expect loot boxes everywhere.
That sounds terrible. Good thing the game's off my list after the reviews dropped
I hate how all of this is going. Even a developer who is also a gamer and prefers not having unfair loot box systems can only say "your perspective is being represented" and we want our loot box system to be "somewhat reasonable". It sounds like the battle is already lost. I'm sure the decision is coming from the top but this developer isn't even talking about not having loot boxes or making sure there is nothing exploitative or unfair about them, he's basically only able to say "we don't want it to be too fucked up."
I doubt the developers have any big say when it comes to such an expensive production. It will definitely have strong monetization.
To be honest this doesnt sound really encouraging for the final release.
EA doesnt care what they think and until then there is gonna be a shitty system in place for sure.
EA doesnt care what they think and until then there is gonna be a shitty system in place for sure.
I wish if these devs really felt so passionately about it, they'd wait until the game is in full production and then all got up, said "Who's Man Heir?" and left the studio.
I will keep having nice dreams about this thing that will never happen.
I will keep having nice dreams about this thing that will never happen.
I'm convinced this is the route Destiny 2 is taking. Very light touch MT at start, non intrusive. But they'll drop a huge MT update slightly before or with the first DLC.
I for one am okay with devs keeping their jobs and income, but to each their own.
My guess is that they'll carbon copy Destiny's bright engram set-up where you only get cosmetic stuff (or the occasional legendary that's pretty okay once you boost its lightl)
The new Need for Speed has a ton of MTs. You can use real money to buy the Speed Points which can purchase lootboxes, or you can grind to obtain Speed Points in game. However, there's a 30 minute refresh timer for the in-game currency purchased stuff. The lootboxes can contain fast cars.
well that's settled that then.
i was actually looking forward to it after they announced the single player was offline (unlike the last NFS game) it seems it's always 1 step forwards, 2 steps back.
Comments regarding microtransactions in triple-A game development are as meaningless as they come. They'll say whatever needs to be said at this time in the hype cycle, and then reality hits and it's a whole different story.
Publishers have been on record lying about microtransactions in these games literally a couple of weeks before release. And they don't bother retracting anything, either.
The sales team gets what the sales team needs.
Publishers have been on record lying about microtransactions in these games literally a couple of weeks before release. And they don't bother retracting anything, either.
The sales team gets what the sales team needs.
The Bioware I knew and loved is long gone..... Over the years I followed the Development ME2, ME3 and ME:A and devs made vague statements and promises etc over twitter etc. Over time these statements and in some cases promises have come to fruition far less.
I don't blame the devs, they likely make these statements wanted to do what they say, but clearly their vision is getting more diluted.
If Anthem isn't a "success" I fully expect Bioware to be scaled back, if DA4 isn't a "success" I think that they will closed at that point.
And yeah MTs will rife in Anthem I've no doubt at all.
I don't blame the devs, they likely make these statements wanted to do what they say, but clearly their vision is getting more diluted.
If Anthem isn't a "success" I fully expect Bioware to be scaled back, if DA4 isn't a "success" I think that they will closed at that point.
And yeah MTs will rife in Anthem I've no doubt at all.
I like how the response is "we have people on staff with those concerns" well no shit you do. People working in this industry have major reservations about these monetization schemes but as has been made abundantly clear their reservations fall on deaf ears at EA. The developer in the interview even literally said exactly this about how he voiced concerns about the game's development and they were comeokrley ignored because the higher ups didn't wanna hear it. Anyone thinking the monetization in this game isn't good by to push boundaries is fooling themselves.
In the current climate nothing a developer says can ease my concerns. I appreciate them going out of their way to say at least something instead staying silent, but I'd rather just wait and see what actually happens when the game is released.
Exactly.
Bioware are just trying to save face, they have no power here, stating the studios loot box preferences makes no difference as to how loot boxes will be implemented at the end of the day.
All this Bioware guy is doing is publically pointing the finger at EA for if/when come Anthem's release people don't like the progression structure.
It is EA's money and they'll get what they want, whether it helps or hurts the experience.
Hopefully reviews reflect the true nature of the game and it's monetizing systems. We need to support media outlets that have our best interests at heart, offsetting any sort of retribution that may be inflicted upon them for their honesty.
I'm truly looking forward to Anthem but will give it a hard pass if they implement these systems in a heavy handed way.
I'm truly looking forward to Anthem but will give it a hard pass if they implement these systems in a heavy handed way.
Yeah... it's clear there will be lootboxes and other MT all over Anthem.
Such are the times. No amount of talking and acknowledgment from devs is going to stop the publishers from ignoring them.
The players have embraced these practices and so nothing will change for now.
Such are the times. No amount of talking and acknowledgment from devs is going to stop the publishers from ignoring them.
The players have embraced these practices and so nothing will change for now.
Hears the thing, EA has the final call. They say put something in it has to be put in. I hope they're smart enough not to screw the game over as they could have a hit on their hands as Bungie keeps stumbling and are complacent from lack of competition.
i would love to see more exploitable currency bugs "slip" through testing in some of these games
"We understand your concerns, fellow gamers!" is not a firm denial. Papa EA is gonna get what they want. If they want lootboxes in the game Bioware can't do jack shit about it.
I want to call this "statement" wishy washy, but "we hear you" and "we are talking about it" sound so meaningless where EA is involved that "expect the worst and be pleasantly (?) surprised when it's only just as bad as every other game out there and not a new low in the medium" sounds more like it.
Its basically not up to the devs in anyway, shape or form. Its at the whim of whomever signs the paychecks.
Exactly. It's not up to Bioware in the end. Look at what happened with Dead Space 3, and this was well before this kind of shit was the norm.
Really though, as much as I dislike the practice, "we" only have ourselves to blame. If no one spent a dime on any of this, it wouldn't be implemented. Apparently, a lot of people love it...
It's just horse armor. It's not hurting anyone!
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/the...rotransactions-from-horse-armor-to-loot-boxes
Bioware: "We have concerns about MTs, we're gamers too!"
EA: "We've listened to your concerns and have chosen to completely ignore them, MTs or GTFO"
EA: "We've listened to your concerns and have chosen to completely ignore them, MTs or GTFO"
And when Anthem doesn't do as well as Destiny add Bioware to the list of closed studios because they know no other way.
Lets be honest guys, this is the perfect game to milk lootboxes. As much as the devs might not want it in there, the pubs will pressure them to have them in the game.
The best I think we'll get is MT's or Lootboxes for cosmetic upgrades only but I suspect that will be asking for a bit much here.
The best I think we'll get is MT's or Lootboxes for cosmetic upgrades only but I suspect that will be asking for a bit much here.
All signs point to Anthem having micro transactions. It's nice and all this supposed developer on the project shares the community's concerns about it, and that "that perspective is represented", but I don't see EA leaving micro transactions out of their "Destiny". It's too big of an opportunity for them to pass up.