AP - Barr OKs election probes despite little evidence of fraud
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i get people wanting to be optimistic, but this is fucking terrifying stuff.
I agree with you except on one point.
I don't see a civil war happening but I could definitely see some nuts shooting up a post office or some government officials.
Sometimes whitey takes it from Facebook to real life.
Hopefully I am wrong and Trump is ejected into Canada (sorry guys) by catapult.
Nah. People way smarter than me at law have already commented on this issues several times.
For those freaking out, listen to the latest Lawfare Podcast about transition laws.
a lot of this is out of Trumps hands. Even the GSA thing is about money and easing of transition. Biden doesn't need it. GSA doesn't authorize transition so to speak.
a lot of this is out of Trumps hands. Even the GSA thing is about money and easing of transition. Biden doesn't need it. GSA doesn't authorize transition so to speak.
Looking further, based on the margins there seems to be no legal way for the campaign to demand a recount in PA or AZ unless the state officials uncover discrepancies: https://ballotpedia.org/Election_recount_laws_and_procedures_in_the_50_states,_2020
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Right now we must trust in the institution, but it is quite clear at this point where he is headed with this. His success is another matter entirely. All I am urging is that people are aware and not simply dismiss it as fantasy, as you have, the scenario I described does not contain fantasy elements, just a factual description of where we are today. 60% of republicans believe there was mass fraud in the election.
Here is Barr's Election Fraud investigator reigning
I guess the better question is - what would you need to happen to agree with the assessment that we should be concerned.
If you loved "I can't release my taxes because they're still under audit", now get ready for "I can't leave office because the election is still under investigation."
I would need some actual real tangible belief this can happen. Every time we point to a law or rule that says it can't happen, y'all just dismiss it and say "ITS TRUMP HE DOESNT CARE ABOUT RULES!"
if you wanna spend the next two months refreshing Trump doomsday scenarios in concern be my guest, but don't be surprised when others aren't as scared as you are. I'm done with worrying about Donald trump, finally.
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Trump can say whatever he wants, but on Inauguration Day Joe will be sworn in and he will be president. It's not the same thing as hiding your taxes.
Sure but he's trying to win through using the legal process and is being laughed out of court by judges.
There are definitely things to worry about but the court cases likely aren't one of them.
Asking for him to pay for just one of his hundreds of crimes is apparently too much.
It is if he takes it to his friends in the Supreme Court, where it drags on for months.
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GA is about 0.2% right now. Recount incoming.
Sure, but it's not because Trump's legal team ordered it. I'm sure that's what they want people to think though.
Yes because Trump and his administration has followed the law to the letter throughout these past 4 years.
This is just a dog and pony show to act like they're trying to do something when nothing will change. The doom posting is out of control and everyone just needs to take a deep breath and relax. Honestly investigating nonsense voter fraud is a far better alternative then trump and co being intelligent and actually going scorched Earth with his last 2 months.
I'd hate for it to happen but I sure would love to see it... Trump getting dragged out of the White House and all his shit being thrown into U-Hauls.
The thing is, if the Trump team doesn't follow the Fed Rules of Civ Pro, the case gets thrown out just like all of his cases so far.
This is a great reason not to freak out - his cases so far have been laughed out of court for being thin nothingburgers. It's hard to go to the SC without an actual case.
My personal fear is they uncover a few hundred cases of fraud here and there across the country. They then take those cases to the SCOTUS. The SCOTUS then obviously rules in his favor because he has stacked it in his favor.
I'm not a lawyer so idk if that is possible, but thats whats in the back of my mind when I read all of this shit.
And even if a case got to the supreme court with some kinda "evidence" from this federal investigation, the SC has sided with "states rights to decide an election" every single time. Even with 3 Trump stooges on the SC it doesn't matter they're not going to overturn stare decisis for flimsy nonsense.
He will walk out of there get on Marine One but never concede
First you have to have a case that actually makes it up to the Supreme Court. You don't "Pass Go and go straight to SC." So far, his lawyers have been laughed at in the lower courts.
I'm not saying it'll succeed, but I am saying he's dumb and desperate enough to try.
SC has pretty much always said that states decide elections. They won't suddenly make Trump the winner in all the states. In fact, I'm willing to bet that they don't even hear a case. His lawyers have been incredibly inept so far.
I get it though. I get why you would be worried.
Of course he is. He's dumb and desperate enough to try anything and everything.
I don't expect any of it to work.
I'm confident that this will be nothing, but it is so fucking shameful. The US is a laughingstock around the world right now, more than ever.
I can understand why people are worried because Trump has managed to accomplish things that seems to defy all common sense and logic so to speak. While I agree everyone should stay vigilant just in case, he telegraphed this move before the election and it seems people are ready for this and everything will be okay in the end.
I think it's very scary how willing republicans (that should and do know better) are to jump on board this nonsense just because their team didn't win though.
Oh. Well yeah, there you go. Carry on! (What the hell are 'faithless electors'?)
I think it's very scary how willing republicans (that should and do know better) are to jump on board this nonsense just because their team didn't win though.
Oh. Well yeah, there you go. Carry on! (What the hell are 'faithless electors'?)
Not gonna lie: feeling a bit nervous about this. I know these allegations are baseless, but what are the chances that—through corruption and legal fuckery—something actually comes of this?
Depending on the state, the people who actually go to vote in the electoral college can cast their votes for whoever they want, rather than who they're supposed to vote for. It's not common and the supreme court recently ruled that states can penalize or potentially replace them, but each election usually has at least a few.
Low.
None of his lawsuits have gone anywhere in lower courts and he can't just skip to the Supreme Court.
Some one should add "Trump will resurrect/ come back to life in 30-50 years"
they know it's bullshit, but they're terrified of losing his insane base
they need those wackos to stay afloat now
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I think there are a few things we can all agree upon:
- No evidence of widespread voter fraud in 1 let alone 10 states (Guliani)
- GA will have a recount
- AZ, PA will not have a recount
- NV has recount possible if paid for by Trump Campaign
- any recount is extraordinarily unlikely to overturn result
I guess it's easier than self reflection and revamping the party to be better.