I beat AA4 and am moving onto AA5. I'm remembering how much the visuals feel like New Super Mario Bros to me but I'll power through it. : (
Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney Trilogy |OT| "Oh, I assure you it's quite based"
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lol at the meltdown in 5-3
Also
Also
it looks like the next case is all in the courtroom. I do enjoy those, especially to change things up. I quite enjoyed 3–4 as an example, especially the ending to that one. And I also like the only courtroom part of 4–4.
That bugs me so much that they went 3 games and still they have yet to know
i dont quite remember now but do they even get to know lamiroir is their still living mother
at least just one of them
The second case of Spirit of Justice in particular feels like peak Ace Attorney. One of my favourites. But you're right, an overall mixed bag.
It's my first time going through the game. We started 5-4 yesterday and already did the bonus case, but I've enjoyed it! I think it'll be easier for me to assess it once I go through SoJ, though.
Is there any web site I can visit to read a summary of just the story in a case? IE killer rationales, motivations, explanations, etc.?
The reason I ask is because I just finished 5-2, Monstrous Turnabout, and one thing confused me:
The reason I ask is because I just finished 5-2, Monstrous Turnabout, and one thing confused me:
Who was being blackmailed by L'Belle, and whose wife was in the hospital? The alderman or Mayor Tenma?
But also, in general I want to read about the potential Nine-Tails Vale and Tenma Town merger to make sure I didn't misunderstand any details.
But also, in general I want to read about the potential Nine-Tails Vale and Tenma Town merger to make sure I didn't misunderstand any details.
The Strategy Wiki has a "what really happened" section at the end of every trial.
Florent L'Belle worked as Mayor Damian Tenma's aide, and also had his own line of beauty products. Due to his extreme narcissism, he advertised his products, but refused to actually sell them to the public. This left him in huge debt with no means of repaying. After threatening Alderman Rex Kyubi through his hospitalized wife, he found out about the true nature of the yokai "Tenma Taro". It was actually a golden ingot inside the Forbidden Chamber that could very easily free him of his debts. L'Belle started anonymously blackmailing Mayor Tenma, coercing him into pushing a municipal merger between Tenma Town and Nine-Tails Vale. His daughter Jinxie Tenma's life would be in danger if he refused, so he pushed for the merger. Eventually, Mayor Tenma created a secret identity: The Amazing Nine-Tails in order to battle L'Belle's merger without risking Jinxie's life.
L'Belle started formulating a plan to speed up the merger and get to the gold faster: Alderman Kyubi and Mayor Tenma would have a meeting in the Fox Chamber, and there, he would kill the alderman and pin it on Tenma. Following the guilty sentence, he would expose the Amazing Nine-Tails's identity and crush any opposition against the merger.
On the day of that meeting, L'Belle brought coffee laced with sleeping pills to the Fox Chamber. The two men let him in as L'Belle gave them their coffee. Shortly afterwards, both men fell asleep from drinking it. L'Belle then proceeded lock the room from the inside and stab Kyubi on the chest with a spear, killing him. After that, he moved Tenma inside the Forbidden Chamber.
Meanwhile, the mansion caretaker Phineas Filch was watching a wrestling match on TV, but got bored. He then disguised himself as Tenma Taro and entered the Forbidden Chamber through an air vent, attempting to steal the gold. (Which was actually stolen by his grandfather long before.) He dropped a L'Belle brand hand cream in the process.
L'Belle disguised himself as Tenma and put on the Amazing Nine-Tails's mask, letting out a scream to attract Jinxie to the scene. There, he "confessed" to killing the alderman, leading Jinxie to believe it was her father that confessed. After Jinxie left, L'Belle opened the Forbidden Chamber, startling Filch, who ran away into the corridor. (Leaving bloody prints and feathers, and scaring Jinxie in the process.) He later disposed of the costume through an open window, which was mistaken for a real flying Tenma Taro.
L'Belle then took Tenma out of the Forbidden Chamber and planted his fingerprints on the spear. As Tenma was regaining his consciousness, he swallowed the forbidden chamber key from L'Belle, but was then knocked out from a blow to the head from a statue that was meant to represent the merger. Finally, he removed the disguise and threw the Amazing Nine-Tails Mask out a window, not noticing one of his hair getting stuck on the mask, which would later turn out to be his downfall.
L'Belle started formulating a plan to speed up the merger and get to the gold faster: Alderman Kyubi and Mayor Tenma would have a meeting in the Fox Chamber, and there, he would kill the alderman and pin it on Tenma. Following the guilty sentence, he would expose the Amazing Nine-Tails's identity and crush any opposition against the merger.
On the day of that meeting, L'Belle brought coffee laced with sleeping pills to the Fox Chamber. The two men let him in as L'Belle gave them their coffee. Shortly afterwards, both men fell asleep from drinking it. L'Belle then proceeded lock the room from the inside and stab Kyubi on the chest with a spear, killing him. After that, he moved Tenma inside the Forbidden Chamber.
Meanwhile, the mansion caretaker Phineas Filch was watching a wrestling match on TV, but got bored. He then disguised himself as Tenma Taro and entered the Forbidden Chamber through an air vent, attempting to steal the gold. (Which was actually stolen by his grandfather long before.) He dropped a L'Belle brand hand cream in the process.
L'Belle disguised himself as Tenma and put on the Amazing Nine-Tails's mask, letting out a scream to attract Jinxie to the scene. There, he "confessed" to killing the alderman, leading Jinxie to believe it was her father that confessed. After Jinxie left, L'Belle opened the Forbidden Chamber, startling Filch, who ran away into the corridor. (Leaving bloody prints and feathers, and scaring Jinxie in the process.) He later disposed of the costume through an open window, which was mistaken for a real flying Tenma Taro.
L'Belle then took Tenma out of the Forbidden Chamber and planted his fingerprints on the spear. As Tenma was regaining his consciousness, he swallowed the forbidden chamber key from L'Belle, but was then knocked out from a blow to the head from a statue that was meant to represent the merger. Finally, he removed the disguise and threw the Amazing Nine-Tails Mask out a window, not noticing one of his hair getting stuck on the mask, which would later turn out to be his downfall.
Hope that answers your questions.
Yes that answers my questions. Thanks for the resource! I'll use that for further cases if needed.
Did it get better for you? My fiancee and I finished 5-5 and damn, was that a case. It went places I did not expect.
I massively fell off it tbh and I'm still on the evil spirit costume guy case. Maybe I'll go back soon.
Finally got around to Spirit of Justice. I had played Dual Destinies years before (though managed to forget most of the details), so the story ultimately contained no big surprises.
Playing Spirit of Justice is therefore a lot more interesting, as it feels new and fresh to me in a way DD never did. What is in particular impressive is the graphical fidelity of the models, when compared to DD. It's note quite the level of Great Ace Attorney, but far more polished than DD was. Plus, there are some real cutscenes with characters moving and interacting with each other. Capcom actually gave them a semblance of a budget with this one, it seems.
The plot itself is pretty great so far. Maybe one minor thing that annoys me, is how we are in a foreign country with its own language, which is clearly very distinct from English, and yet in-world everyone in this court of law speaks perfect English, no semblance of an accent. I'm not questioning whether the people there can speak English, it's rather why they would not hold such a formal event in the actual official language. It would be like if a court in the US just decides to switch to German for the heck of it, you know give the Judge some opportunity to flex their sick language skills.
Playing Spirit of Justice is therefore a lot more interesting, as it feels new and fresh to me in a way DD never did. What is in particular impressive is the graphical fidelity of the models, when compared to DD. It's note quite the level of Great Ace Attorney, but far more polished than DD was. Plus, there are some real cutscenes with characters moving and interacting with each other. Capcom actually gave them a semblance of a budget with this one, it seems.
The plot itself is pretty great so far. Maybe one minor thing that annoys me, is how we are in a foreign country with its own language, which is clearly very distinct from English, and yet in-world everyone in this court of law speaks perfect English, no semblance of an accent. I'm not questioning whether the people there can speak English, it's rather why they would not hold such a formal event in the actual official language. It would be like if a court in the US just decides to switch to German for the heck of it, you know give the Judge some opportunity to flex their sick language skills.
At 4-2
I also must have gotten 2-3 game overs during this chapter, either it's harder than I remember or my ace attorney reflexes are rusty. Sometimes I really didn't know what they wanted me to present.
But anyway, AA4 is so good.
I also must have gotten 2-3 game overs during this chapter, either it's harder than I remember or my ace attorney reflexes are rusty. Sometimes I really didn't know what they wanted me to present.
But anyway, AA4 is so good.
Alright I'm now finished with AA4.
Overall you can definitely feel Takumi's touch on it. I'm intrigued to start 5 and 6 sometime soon as I never got far in either game.
I maintain that all cases are at least good, with the first and the last one being among the greats. Serenade and Succession do need a lot of suspension of disbelief cuz the more you think about them, the more they fall apart lol. Like Phoenix traveling back in time to present evidence he shouldn't have known, unless he was a 300 iq mastermind who figured out the whole deal of the Gramaryes by himself. Or lots of characters behaving weirdly for no reason.
The climaxes were also a bit hit and miss -- feels like 4-3 could have ended a lot sooner if they just got Machi to talk on the stand, and by trial day 2 he was willing to do so. Plus I still don't think I understand Kristoph well. Dude was that petty that someone chose Phoenix over him for a case that he started murdering people left and right just to frame him? Destroying his own reputation and landing himself in jail in the process, which kinda defeats the purpose. Not sure what exactly prompted his massive breakdown at the end of 4-4 as he didn't seem to "lose". He's still in jail without any apparent charges for killing Drew, and Vera being found innocent or not makes no difference for him, I think. Maybe he just hates hearing the name Phoenix Wright.
The climaxes were also a bit hit and miss -- feels like 4-3 could have ended a lot sooner if they just got Machi to talk on the stand, and by trial day 2 he was willing to do so. Plus I still don't think I understand Kristoph well. Dude was that petty that someone chose Phoenix over him for a case that he started murdering people left and right just to frame him? Destroying his own reputation and landing himself in jail in the process, which kinda defeats the purpose. Not sure what exactly prompted his massive breakdown at the end of 4-4 as he didn't seem to "lose". He's still in jail without any apparent charges for killing Drew, and Vera being found innocent or not makes no difference for him, I think. Maybe he just hates hearing the name Phoenix Wright.
Overall you can definitely feel Takumi's touch on it. I'm intrigued to start 5 and 6 sometime soon as I never got far in either game.
I really enjoyed 6-2. Onto 6-3!
He would then be charged with the murder of Drew Misham, I'm pretty sure, since Vera was found not guilty. And when he said, 'Right.... Wright.... Wright....' it drove him insane because of Phoenix's name.
I'm sure he didn't think he would go to jail.
I'm sure he didn't think he would go to jail.
Yeah, at some point AA4 just requires you to accept that Phoenix masterplanned stuff to the point of time travel, Kristoph is the pettiest motherfucker in the series, and that every Gramarye not named Trucy is an asshole for no reason.
As for why he gets so upset, Kristoph got foiled by the jury system and can't skate by technicalities anymore. Also, Shu Takumi written games seem to consider 2 murders = death penalty, so chances are that he was executed instead of living his cozy corrupt life in jail
As for why he gets so upset, Kristoph got foiled by the jury system and can't skate by technicalities anymore. Also, Shu Takumi written games seem to consider 2 murders = death penalty, so chances are that he was executed instead of living his cozy corrupt life in jail
I mean, Kristoph IS the pettiest villain in the series. That's his thing.
He had it kind of cushy in jail, but I think he just really likes the fact that he's gotten one over on Phoenix. "Yeah, I killed that guy, but you'll never know why, because ultimately, I am smarter than you." Kristoph liked that Phoenix couldn't pin Kristoph down, and Kristoph was pretty much out to prove he was smarter than Phoenix because Phoenix ~took his client from him.
Then Phoenix works Kristoph over using the jury system, catches Kristoph in lies, and wins out over him, and Kristoph loses the leverage he had (no matter how petty it is), and he failed to kill Vera, so everything unspools in front of him in a very public manner and he snaps.
He really is just that petty. And I love him for it lol.
He had it kind of cushy in jail, but I think he just really likes the fact that he's gotten one over on Phoenix. "Yeah, I killed that guy, but you'll never know why, because ultimately, I am smarter than you." Kristoph liked that Phoenix couldn't pin Kristoph down, and Kristoph was pretty much out to prove he was smarter than Phoenix because Phoenix ~took his client from him.
Then Phoenix works Kristoph over using the jury system, catches Kristoph in lies, and wins out over him, and Kristoph loses the leverage he had (no matter how petty it is), and he failed to kill Vera, so everything unspools in front of him in a very public manner and he snaps.
He really is just that petty. And I love him for it lol.
Yeah but he didn't admit to anything during the trial, and his point was that nobody had decisive evidence that he was behind the forgery and the poisonings, Apollo & Klavier just found a bunch of suspicious links to him. Vera was acquitted, and I suppose she could testify against Kristoph and get him charged for forgery at least, but the game leaves his fate up in the air.
My point was moreso that Kristoph immediately went for the "cutting off your nose to spite your face" approach and got himself in deep shit just to prove he is better than Phoenix. Like of course he didn't plan to go to jail for it, but when you engage in criminal conspiracies and start silencing people by murdering them, how do you expect things to go lol. Like the other posters said, the guy is petty for pettiness sake and his personal vendetta against Phoenix is his whole drive, which is both funny and sad. He makes von Karma's "o no my perfect record :(" + him getting shot look like complex motivations.
My point was moreso that Kristoph immediately went for the "cutting off your nose to spite your face" approach and got himself in deep shit just to prove he is better than Phoenix. Like of course he didn't plan to go to jail for it, but when you engage in criminal conspiracies and start silencing people by murdering them, how do you expect things to go lol. Like the other posters said, the guy is petty for pettiness sake and his personal vendetta against Phoenix is his whole drive, which is both funny and sad. He makes von Karma's "o no my perfect record :(" + him getting shot look like complex motivations.
I guess it just depends on if you enjoy his level of pettiness haha. I do, I think he's the best, slay king, etc lol.
Imma just paint my nails WITH POISON while I sit in my prison cell and laugh at you, PHOENIX.
Imma just paint my nails WITH POISON while I sit in my prison cell and laugh at you, PHOENIX.
Finally booting this up.
- Dig the packaging UI (title screen etc), very classy look and there's an appreciable difference in budget compared to the last two collections
- Cannot believe they haven't patched the issue where the sprites in AA4 become jarringly pixelated when the game runs at a resolution other than 1080p; on Switch, this means it might technically look worse than the DS release when playing in handheld mode
- Glad this game actually uses the touchscreen. That means I can play one handed, my left hand pressinf statements and tapping the screen to move text, my right holding my mug.
- Dig the packaging UI (title screen etc), very classy look and there's an appreciable difference in budget compared to the last two collections
- Cannot believe they haven't patched the issue where the sprites in AA4 become jarringly pixelated when the game runs at a resolution other than 1080p; on Switch, this means it might technically look worse than the DS release when playing in handheld mode
- Glad this game actually uses the touchscreen. That means I can play one handed, my left hand pressinf statements and tapping the screen to move text, my right holding my mug.
I got into this series when Spirit of Justice was getting ready to release and have played every entry since (minus the Layton crossover, I'll start that at some pont). Really nice that they compile these games into compilations that go on sale so often because it makes the series so easy to recommend (I managed to get my younger cousin into AA recently).
Really hope Edgeworth 2 gets localized some day. Has Capcom ever made any kind of official statement on why it's still Japan-only? Surely issues like cartridge costs that kept it from going overseas don't apply in the digital age, plus there's no legal/controversial issues like the GAA games had with the Sherlock Holmes character.
Really hope Edgeworth 2 gets localized some day. Has Capcom ever made any kind of official statement on why it's still Japan-only? Surely issues like cartridge costs that kept it from going overseas don't apply in the digital age, plus there's no legal/controversial issues like the GAA games had with the Sherlock Holmes character.