Armed Neo-Nazis Crash Detroit Pride with Police Escort (see staff post)

Zabo

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This has been interesting thread. Someone should do thread about possibility of limiting freedom of speech. The US take on it is so absolute, but from time to time, it seems more and more people would be fine limiting freedom of speech.

In many european countries this type of thing (in most since they were armed) could not happen, yet those countries work fine.
 
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Ms.Galaxy

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White nationalist terrorism must be protected at all costs. Nothing is more important than making sure literal Nazis are allowed to carry guns through the streets and shout hateful rhetoric at marginalized people. Because if you remove that, something something slippery slope something 1984.

I guess all of the countries that have been banning this sort of thing for decades are now dystopian hellscapes.
I know some Americans that actually believe that.
 

MechaBreaker

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I want to throw this video in the face of every asshole on twitter that goes: “My grandpa didn’t fight in WW2, so you could <something they don’t like>”, and then tell them: “maybe, just maybe, be more concerned about this instead.”

Absolutely disgusting.
 

Illusion

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Oh I'm surprised to see this hit era.

My Facebook feed was a lot of my friends at the fest having a good time and then all the comments and posts hating on the police and wanting to kick nazi ass.

Pretty sour weekend all around.
 

excelsiorlef

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That doesn't negate the fact that in 2019 I don't think the police is an issue the community is facing that is holding us from equality. The poster said the police are an institutional threat to LGBTQ people(as in right now in 2019 they are a threat), I would argue that is false and the threat to us are inherently from those who right and execute laws to discriminate and allow discrimination against us.
This is so divorced from actual reality that I have to believe you've accidentally travelled from a different universe

Trans people are routinely threatened by police just for example
 

Mr. X

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"Just following orders" didn't work for the Nazis during Nuremberg, let's not ignore precedent.
 

Dalik

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This is fucking disgusting and you are all cowards if you defend the police here.
 

Akira86

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Why the fuck do nazis get a police escort.....does anyone else see how fucked up this is
if the nazis were in charge they would be the cops and the best friend of the cops.

the Police are NOT the natural enemy of the Nazi
, they are an ally, which is either ironic or classic if you think about it.
 

Akira86

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"the 'not so good history' of the Police relative to...basically any minority group is known" well gee, that's grand of you to admit that much, at least.
 

Heromanz

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This has been interesting thread. Someone should do thread about possibility of limiting freedom of speech. The US take on it is so absolute, but from time to time, it seems more and more people would be fine limiting freedom of speech.

In many european countries this type of thing (in most since they were armed) could not happen, yet those countries work fine.
They could have stopped this there is a valid arugement that what speech they are speaking isn't free speech it is hate speech.
 

Rivenblade

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Bunch of random comments on the Fox News website equating these Nazis with Democrats and leftists. LOL.
 

The-Demon

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They're likely not protecting them, but stopping them being violent to the other protesters. Creating a barrier to keep the two groups away from each other.
I mean ok maybe but.....no if police were there etc then they should have been escorting the Pride people/parade compared to rolling with the nazis
 

Qikz

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I mean ok maybe but.....no if police were there etc then they should have been escorting the Pride people/parade compared to rolling with the nazis
Think of the logistics. There'll be thousands and thousands more pro pride people in the parade than there are Nazis in their counter protest. You'd need a) more officers and b) without a physical barrier around the nazis who are more likely to be violent you're giving them free reign to run around. By having the police RIGHT next to the troublemakers you remove an avenue for them to even begin to start shit.
 

The-Demon

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Think of the logistics. There'll be thousands and thousands more pro pride people in the parade than there are Nazis in their counter protest. You'd need a) more officers and b) without a physical barrier around the nazis who are more likely to be violent you're giving them free reign to run around. By having the police RIGHT next to the troublemakers you remove an avenue for them to even begin to start shit.
makes sense but also looks weird but I get it
 

Qikz

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makes sense but also looks weird but I get it
It does look weird, but see the officers wearing the pride badge? They're there to protect the pride parade by basically smothering the nazis. I know it looks bad, but it's the best way they can protect the people who deserve protection.
 

Mr. X

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"I'm told through our intelligence sources (the Nazis) wanted (Charlottesville 2.0)," Craig said. "We knew we wanted to be properly staffed, and we were.

"Both groups were taunting our officers with racial epithets," Craig said, adding there were about 15 Nazis and "15-20" counter-protesters who were "masked-up and referring to our African American officers inappropriately."

"The one group (the Nazis) was armed," Craig said. "We didn't want the opposing group to assault them and respond in a way that would be violent."
"(The Nazis) had their attorney present, and they had cameras," Craig said. "According to our intelligence, they were hoping because of open carry (laws) they were frankly trying to bait this police department and bait the other side," Craig said.

"The opposing group was trying to bait our officers as well," Craig said. "Both groups were wrong.
 
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The Kree

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So if the a Nazis wanted a second Charlottesville then maybe you shouldn't have allowed them there in the first place.
This is where we pretend that the pigs couldn't have selectively chosen to apply the rules of law differently like they do in certain other instances under the guise of keeping the peace.
 

TheLostBigBoss

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This is where we pretend that the pigs couldn't have selectively chosen to apply the rules of law differently like they do in certain other instances under the guise of keeping the peace.
The irony being you're advocating for police to go rogue and not follow the law, even though the outcome of their actions 100% worked and the festival at large wasn't disrupted, nobody was shot and the Nazi's don't have the legal ammo to sue the city for an exorbitant amount of money due to their legal right to protest being disrupted by the police.
 

HStallion

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The irony being you're advocating for police to go rogue and not follow the law, even though the outcome of their actions 100% worked and the festival at large wasn't disrupted, nobody was shot and the Nazi's don't have the legal ammo to sue the city for an exorbitant amount of money due to their legal right to protest being disrupted by the police.
This is still an issue of letting this go off at all when the entire point was to create another event whose entire point was to intimidate, wound and even kill minorities. On Pride Month no less.
 

TheLostBigBoss

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This is still an issue of letting this go off at all when the entire point was to create another event whose entire point was to intimidate, wound and even kill minorities. On Pride Month no less.
Sure, but again you're issue isn't with the police it's with the city (specifically clerks office) approving this, and they likely approved it because on legal grounds they didn't have any real way to deny it without getting sued and settling, handing Nazi's a bunch of money.


In Detroit, (unlike Boston for example), the only approval you need is from the city and not from multiple other departments. If you're approved and you pay your fee, it's a done deal.

The police knew what their intentions were (as with anyone who can put a pulse on the situation and make basic logical assumptions), but that doesn't inherently mean they can legally detain or prevent them from their planned and approved protest.

It's why their attorney was there with them and they taped the entire little hate walk. Best case scenario for them is they have someone throw a brick at a Nazi's face and a violent riot breaks out where fascists get to gun down "the assaulters" in self defense.

Second best scenario was they get to sue and make a boat load of money for their organization for any denials of their rights.
 

HStallion

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Sure, but again you're issue isn't with the police it's with the city (specifically clerks office) approving this, and they likely approved it because on legal grounds they didn't have any real way to deny it without getting sued and settling, handing Nazi's a bunch of money.


In Detroit, (unlike Boston for example), the only approval you need is from the city and not from multiple other departments. If you're approved and you pay your fee, it's a done deal.

The police knew what their intentions were (as with anyone who can put a pulse on the situation and make basic logical assumptions), but that doesn't inherently mean they can legally detain or prevent them from their planned and approved protest.

It's why their attorney was there with them and they taped the entire little hate walk. Best case scenario for them is they have someone throw a brick at a Nazi's face and a violent riot breaks out where fascists get to gun down "the assaulters" in self defense.

Second best scenario was they get to sue and make a boat load of money for their organization for any denials of their rights.
If you're gonna throw a block party as a guise just to start a riot and go looting then you shouldn't be getting offical support in the first place. You should be under investigation. I'd apply the same thought process here.
 

TheLostBigBoss

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If you're gonna throw a block party as a guise just to start a riot and go looting then you shouldn't be getting offical support in the first place. You should be under investigation. I'd apply the same thought process here.
And again, a possible outcome is they get to sue the city because they got denied based on a "hunch" and the city hands over likely hundreds of thousands worth of "damages" to neo-nazi's.

If the solution was as simple as outright denying them, don't you think the city would have saved themselves the trouble and just done that? Just like if the police somehow "supported" the armed fascists, it would have saved them a lot of time and effort if they just let them roam freely around a pride festival.
 

Mikebison

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Judging by a lot of posts in this thread, the police should have not attended and let a load of armed, violent Nazis clash with people celebrating pride, knowing full well their intention was to incite violence.

Like I know Era loves to hate the police, but what other option did they have? It’s a literal no win situation apparently.

By the sounds of it, their job was successful. They stopped any violence before it could happen and pride was largely uninterrupted. Anger should 100% be directed to the scum Nazis for wanting to disrupt a day for the LGBT community, and the city for allowing their counter March.
 

Masseyme

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Judging by a lot of posts in this thread, the police should have not attended and let a load of armed, violent Nazis clash with people celebrating pride, knowing full well their intention was to incite violence.

Like I know Era loves to hate the police, but what other option did they have? It’s a literal no win situation apparently.

By the sounds of it, their job was successful. They stopped any violence before it could happen and pride was largely uninterrupted. Anger should 100% be directed to the scum Nazis for wanting to disrupt a day for the LGBT community, and the city for allowing their counter March.
The police should've sent the domestic terrorists home the second they started screaming white power and yelling slurs, not march with them. What part of this is hard to understand?
 

Shugga

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Judging by a lot of posts in this thread, the police should have not attended and let a load of armed, violent Nazis clash with people celebrating pride, knowing full well their intention was to incite violence.

Like I know Era loves to hate the police, but what other option did they have? It’s a literal no win situation apparently.

By the sounds of it, their job was successful. They stopped any violence before it could happen and pride was largely uninterrupted. Anger should 100% be directed to the scum Nazis for wanting to disrupt a day for the LGBT community, and the city for allowing their counter March.
The police should handle the nazis alright. Just not like that.
 

Mikebison

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The police should've sent the domestic terrorists home the second they started screaming white power and yelling slurs, not march with them. What part of this is hard to understand?
Well until the laws and the previous amendments are changed to stop people to spout vile hate in the streets, they can’t do that. But again, it’s the city who approved their March. Do you suggest the police just don’t turn up? And ‘March with them’ or ‘escort’ doesn’t mean they’re buddying up. They’re obviously going to move wherever the Nazis do.
 

mbpm

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Do these scum have any upcoming rallies that people can respond in the same manner with?
 

Masseyme

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Well until the laws and the previous amendments are changed to stop people to spout vile hate in the streets, they can’t do that. But again, it’s the city who approved their March. Do you suggest the police just don’t turn up? And ‘March with them’ or ‘escort’ doesn’t mean they’re buddying up. They’re obviously going to move wherever the Nazis do.
White supremacy is federally outlawed domestic terrorism. Protesting is one thing but there's no legal right to intimidate a person with guns while screaming white power. That's a clear violation of the PATRIOT Act.

"(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; (B) appear to be intended – (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States

These are the same laws used to go after groups like BLM but apparently since its white supremacy its ok.
 

Dude Abides

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White supremacy is federally outlawed domestic terrorism. Protesting is one thing but there's no legal right to intimidate a person with guns while screaming white power. That's a clear violation of the PATRIOT Act.




These are the same laws used to go after groups like BLM but apparently since its white supremacy its ok.
What federal law or Michigan law does screaming white power while armed violate?
 

skillzilla81

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Judging by a lot of posts in this thread, the police should have not attended and let a load of armed, violent Nazis clash with people celebrating pride, knowing full well their intention was to incite violence.

Like I know Era loves to hate the police, but what other option did they have? It’s a literal no win situation apparently.

By the sounds of it, their job was successful. They stopped any violence before it could happen and pride was largely uninterrupted. Anger should 100% be directed to the scum Nazis for wanting to disrupt a day for the LGBT community, and the city for allowing their counter March.
Maybe you shouldn't let people you know are a threat gather in large groups. Maybe you handle them BY NOT LETTING THEM BE THERE AT ALL.

Literal no-win situation when we allow nazis to exist, march, and threaten people with violence. Their very existence is a threat of violence. It should be illegal to proclaim that you're a nazi.

But, you right. No-win situation. Because we have to let nazis exist. For some reason.

(Hint: white supremacy)

And yes, fuck ALL cops.
 

The Kree

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The irony being you're advocating for police to go rogue and not follow the law, even though the outcome of their actions 100% worked and the festival at large wasn't disrupted, nobody was shot and the Nazi's don't have the legal ammo to sue the city for an exorbitant amount of money due to their legal right to protest being disrupted by the police.
I remember when police blasted pepper spray from fire hoses at unarmed Occupy protesters. Miss me with the going rogue bullshit. They do what they want when they want and there is no meaningful distinction between them and the city government. The city could have said no and the cops could have said fuck off. They didn't.
 

TheLostBigBoss

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I remember when police blasted pepper spray from fire hoses at unarmed Occupy protesters. Miss me with the going rogue bullshit. They do what they want when they want and there is no meaningful distinction between them and the city government. The city could have said no and the cops could have said fuck off. They didn't.
Not seeing how it's bullshit if that's what you're saying you wish they would do, but whatever.
 

stupei

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I mean, I'm not shocked there would be racists attending pride, but "both groups" sure is a choice.

You can't be serious
Well there are only white cis male LGBTQ people with mainstream gender performance and zero mental illness exclusively located in urban areas, right?

edit: wait are we pretending nothing bad really happened when people had to fucking see Nazis shouting slurs and carrying guns at pride days before the anniversary of Pulse?
 

Mikebison

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Maybe you shouldn't let people you know are a threat gather in large groups. Maybe you handle them BY NOT LETTING THEM BE THERE AT ALL.

Literal no-win situation when we allow nazis to exist, march, and threaten people with violence. Their very existence is a threat of violence. It should be illegal to proclaim that you're a nazi.

But, you right. No-win situation. Because we have to let nazis exist. For some reason.

(Hint: white supremacy)

And yes, fuck ALL cops.
Yo, all the things you’ve mentioned are not the job of the police, but the lawmakers.
 

Masseyme

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What federal law or Michigan law does screaming white power while armed violate?
I only know of the Federal law which is the one I quoted and bolded. The Patriot Act Public Law 107-56 which defines Domestic Terrorism as:

(5)  the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that--

(A)  involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B)  appear to be intended--
(i)  to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii)
 to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion;  or
(iii)  to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping;  and
(C)  occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.



Not only do we see them on video with guns screaming white power attempting to intimidate civillians but the Police Chief also admitted that they had intel that this was planned to incite a riot. Seems open and shut.

Also to reiterate, this is the same law the FBI used to label Black Lives Matters as domestic terrorists in their 12 page report.