How I've felt about Bernie from the start.
This is starting to feel like a man who's had a taste and wants to keep saying whatever to remain relevant.
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Bernie Sanders's statement on Russian electoral interference
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This is starting to feel like a man who's had a taste and wants to keep saying whatever to remain relevant.
Well I don't think it's entirely fair to call them completely blameless in the whole affair too. Their carelessness contributed to someone like Trump becoming the goddamn president of the united states after all.
Well he's a sitting senator and one of the most popular and well-liked politicians in the country, so he's relevant whether you like it or not.
And if they did that, you'd still shit all over them and say they should have gotten a third opinion.
Just listened to the interview
Bernie isn't blaming the Clinton campaign nearly as hard as the politico headline makes it sound.
So basically folks are arguing over a pretty inflammatory interpretation of something Bernie has since walked back.
And yet we must relitigate 2016 until we're all dead.
Bernie isn't blaming the Clinton campaign nearly as hard as the politico headline makes it sound.
So basically folks are arguing over a pretty inflammatory interpretation of something Bernie has since walked back.
And yet we must relitigate 2016 until we're all dead.
I've read the thread.
Did you listen to the interview?
His actual answer does not align with what the title of this thread, or what the title of the article implies.
If they did that then the breach might not happened in the first place, yeah?
I don't see why putting some blame on Clinton's team for not having strong enough security protocols/procedures to guard against something like phishing attacks is controversial. Why is it controversial, exactly? Their candidate is vying to become the leader of the entire world, for crying out loud.
The thread title is very misleading after having read the article. Makes me wonder if Russian trolls were behind the thread title lol.
I'm just going to quote myself for the new page since I think the title is wrong and the Politico article is framing it incorrectly.
I don't understand why the question is relevant since I didn't actually state my opinion on the discourse one way or another, but it's interesting that you appear to have inferred a conclusion on my part based on nothing.
In any case. There are people here that are discussing what he said fairly. Many of them, and people who already mentioned what you had. You seemed to be implying differently. Which is why I asked if you'd been reading the thread or not.
And in any case, to give you my personal viewpoint on the matter, I kind of loathe Bernie so I'm not going to listen to an interview. Reading one instead is just fine for me.
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If you actually listened the NPR interview, interviewer kept repeating a loaded question on why Bernie didn't do anything if he knew? His answer was he was busy campaigning for Clinton.
Ask her, not him.
Interview goes on to talk about other things.
I think you people are creating drama because you're bored or something.
Ask her, not him.
Interview goes on to talk about other things.
I think you people are creating drama because you're bored or something.
The answer to that has no bearing on this discussion, and is not something I claim to know anyways. I am saying Presidents are responsible for the security of their confidential information. If their security is breached they failed at that part of their job.
I inferred your opinions on those statements. I feel like if people have actually gone to the source they would have acquired a different reaction than the disparaging remarks against Sanders still currenting going.
An old man who feels the need to constantly say sensational things to keep the public's attention.
Hmm.
Except I did. And I still hold all of those viewpoints.
Nice try, but no. Believe it or not, it is possible to have an unfavourable view of Bernie based entirely on his own actions and words. It must be shocking to you.
You sound defensive of your man; but it's alright for others to have different opinions of him. I don't feel what you've said is accurate, but I'm trying to be nicer to Sanders supporters so I'll leave it at that.
This guy gets it!
I would assume almost, if not all, modern day Presidents have had confidential information hacked/leaked/etc.
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Because the NPR interview was talking about the special counsel's report and wanted Bernie's opinion on why he didn't do anything.
Maybe so, but I don't treat them like a helpless victim for it, I demand of them that they improve.
I decided to actually listen to the interview and the line of questioning. Unfortunately the OP omits some important context from his statement and what he was actually responding to. Shame.
Bullshit. They contained significant evidence of highly unethical collusion and favoritism towards the HRC campaign from what is supposed to be a neutral and independent body.
And yet again an other thread where nobody actually inform themselve,for exemple listening the full interview to notice on how context freaking matter, always!
Don't believe everything from the start, inform yourself, go further, please, whatever your opinions are!
Don't believe everything from the start, inform yourself, go further, please, whatever your opinions are!
Why are you being so antagonistic? You're the one who challenged someone who simply pointed out that people were clearly responding to excerpts which lacked context and not the actual interview.
Only in your fever dreams. People have combed through those e-mails a thousand times and have come up with jack shit that the DNC did that was illegal or showed one IOTA of rigging or sabotaging Bernie Sanders campaign.
Did members of the DNC favor Hliary over Bernie? NO FUCKING SHIT. Bernie wasn't even a goddamned Democrat. So what?
There was Jack shit in those E-mails.
He's not wrong. I hope we can go out with the old and in the with the new. I've liked everything I've read and seen from Tulsi Gabbard. She might seem flawed to the far left but I think she could win in 2020. She's the first Democrat I've been excited about since Obama's 1st term
They framed it that way intentionally. It's frustrating, but it happens all the damned time. Most people don't even get past headlines these days and they know it.
The title of the article and the thread is off.
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...paign-speak-up-about-russian-bots-during-2016
Saying he blames her for the interference is really bad wording that does more harm to the reality of what he said. It was a very reflexive response to "Why didn't you do anything" and him stammering with "Why didn't the Hillary Campaign do anything if they knew more than us". Obviously not a great answer, but not accurately described by the title.
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...paign-speak-up-about-russian-bots-during-2016
Saying he blames her for the interference is really bad wording that does more harm to the reality of what he said. It was a very reflexive response to "Why didn't you do anything" and him stammering with "Why didn't the Hillary Campaign do anything if they knew more than us". Obviously not a great answer, but not accurately described by the title.
Valiant effort but I doubt many are going to acknowledge this. :(
What about this part was wrong? Title confuses me. He's right. Russia full on interfered.
Because accusing everyone in a thread with a specific opinion of not reading an article in an effort to invalidate their viewpoints is trite and antagonistic and nobody should have to put up with that shit. "If only you'd read..." -- I did. Many others here did too. Sure, some didn't. But Sanders supporters like to think that everyone who has an unfavourable opinion of the man is misinformed. I'm tired of that shit.
Shame shes islamaphobic as hell.
And she has some interesting fans
Not to mention that he was being grilled and became a bit defensive. He answered the question multiple times before pushing it onto Clinton.
As far as im concerned, Bernie staying in the race until after the last primary is what cost Hillary the race. Bernie just poisoned the well and turned liberals against her. He gave credibility to the Republican attacks and was partially responsible for almost 6% of Americans voting third party.
Not surprised to see him say this.
Not surprised to see him say this.
What I find it interesting is that he claimed no knowledge of efforts to poison his base against Clinton. Was he just not paying attention to discussion, like, anywhere? Like, sure. Okay. He didn't know about Russia specifically. But for someone who claims to be against souring his base against Clinton, he sure as hell had a blind eye towards it and did the barest minimum possible to condemn it. I think he was bitter.
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