Botham Jean's brother embraces Amber Guyger after she was sentenced 10 years for the murder of his brother

Nepenthe

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Lol @ indoctrinated into forgiveness. Mlk was indoctrinated too i suppose?
That's pretty much what this is, because despite black forgiveness white people have never promised us to actually stop perpetuating white supremacy, which is what proper forgiveness should be predicated on.

You know, the aggravating party stopping the offending action that necessitated forgiveness in the first place?
 

Emwitus

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MLK wouldn't have accepted this, he was a christian but he was not a pacifist when it came to society's abuses.

Back then it was a lot harder to hide from the true face of this country.
He would not have accepted the societal norms but he would have not called this man "indoctrinated" for doing what he did. He would have actually welcomed it. He was not against individuals forgiving people who wronged them but the luck of justice in society. Which is a valid place to direct anger (e.g judge)
 

Nepenthe

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People really need to read up on MLK before they use him as a bludgeon
You don't even need to read up on him to realize the man got murdered.

Sorry, but I'm not about to lay down my life just so white people can feel better about racism.
 

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You don't even need to read up on him to realize the man got murdered.

Sorry, but I'm not about to lay down my life just so white people can feel better about racism.
And how every black person has to be MLK level or they ain't shit. I live for the day when the rest of the society gets Tim Wise thrown in their face.
 
Fact of the matter is, ever since yesterday there has been an implicit message that choosing not to forgive this murderer somehow makes you a "lesser" person, which is bullshit. Jean's brother could've cussed her out to her face and that reaction still would've just as valid. Respecting his choice means that we also respect that many people would hold the hatred of their family being killed by a virulent racist for the rest of their lives, and there's nothing wrong with that.
 

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i don't agree with jean's brother doing this, but i respect that it was his choice to do it. but all of the fucking blue checks on twitter out here quote tweeting this story with shit like "powerful" "this is what we should strive to be" are making my stomach fucking turn. fuck that.
 

Emwitus

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And how every black person has to be MLK level or they ain't shit. I live for the day when the rest of the society gets Tim Wise thrown in their face.
No one is saying every black person should be mlk. At least im not. However dont hate on a black person for forgiving a white person and claim the only reason he did was because of white people indoctrination. Like he has no mind of his own. Ironically, you'd call that white washing.
 

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The level to which this could never be me is so high. Good for him though. There has to be so much peace in that much forgiveness. Could NEVER be me.
 

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People really need to read up on MLK before they use him as a bludgeon
MLK's whitewashed image as this all loving figure used to silence and quell the righteous anger raised from the very injustices he fought against in this country will never not hit a spot with me.

love your enemy, even as that "love" is exploited to constantly suppress you is the game now i guess
 

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No one is saying every black person should be mlk. At least im not. However dont hate on a black person for forgiving a white person and claim the only reason he did was because of white people indoctrination. Like he has no mind of his own. Ironically, you'd call that white washing.
I never said that, i am calling out the feels masturbation that is overshadowing the fact a man is dead for nothing
 
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I see we've gotten to the "erroneously pull the MLK card" part of the thread.

Like clockwork in practically every thread of this nature.
 

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Has there ever been a judge that hugged a convicted murdered and gave them a Bible?

Because this seems like a first.

Between that, the brother's forgiveness, the Bailiff fixing Amber's hair, and the jurors failing to make an example of this woman, Black People collectively took a huge L to the world. Nothing will ever change.
 

Mona

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MLK was religious, checkmate atheists

Also Einstein said god does not play dice, that means he believed in a transcendental deity who never traveled to Vegas
 

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Yeah dude does whatever he needs to move on. The judge though...wtf was that shit.
(whispers)
...Hail Hydra

Or Dallas Police Department. The judge is endorsed by their PAC so she may be attached to their members, or need to show respect to them to keep the endorsement? Why do judges need endorsements from anyone anyway.



Did the goddamn JUDGE HUG HER?
The people in the court trial thread mentioned the judge hinting at the jurors to take it easy on her too. I'll have to search that thread to see what was actually said but I think all this is because she was Dallas PD.
 

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I wish we had kept the pressure of the Civil Rights Movement going even after MLK's passing.

I mean we do have some sort of civil rights movement but not on the level with just about every black person is on the same page and we're boycotting key products and marching nationally as one black race all over the country.

There's one thing that I learned where self proclaimed Christian white racist will have no choice but to understand is that when you hurt their bottom line (money), they are willing to make concessions for black people.

But we're so far apart in our understanding and beliefs of what is our constitutional rights as equal human beings that we are in fighting with each other (see twitter) instead of working to working together as one race to destroy the systematic racism in this country. Even now we're allowing whitewashing of our black history with the definition of slavery before the Civil War.

And now we're arguing about if the brother was doing the right thing by forgiving his brother's murderer but not attacking the main issue that we are not as one in fighting the systemic racism that has been set upon us for centuries. That's why I am sad when my black brothers and sisters keeps saying that we are oppressed but we're not willing congregate to fight against that system as a whole and will accept the status quo just to not Rock the Boat. It's mind-numbingly frustrating.
 

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I wish we had kept the pressure of the Civil Rights Movement going even after MLK's passing.

I mean we do have some sort of civil rights movement but not on the level with just about every black person is on the same page and we're boycotting key products and marching nationally as one black race all over the country.

There's one thing that I learned where self proclaimed Christian white racist will have no choice but to understand is that when you hurt their bottom line (money), they are willing to make concessions for black people.

But we're so far apart in our understanding and beliefs of what is our constitutional rights as equal human beings that we are in fighting with each other (see twitter) instead of working to working together as one race to destroy the systematic racism in this country. Even now we're allowing whitewashing of our black history with the definition of slavery before the Civil War.

And now we're arguing about if the brother was doing the right thing by forgiving his brother's murderer but not attacking the main issue that we are not as one in fighting the systemic racism that has been set upon us for centuries. That's why I am sad when my black brothers and sisters keeps saying that we are oppressed but we're not willing congregate to fight against that system as a whole and will accept the status quo just to not Rock the Boat. It's mind-numbingly frustrating.

Well done. Thoughtful reflection.
 

excelsiorlef

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An incredible show of strength from the brother. We'd be in a better world if more people carried half the compassion that he's able to feel.

People can be equally compassionate and choose to not forgive.


People will love retweeting this and making think pieces about this because it fits white suprmancy's agenda that this was a happy capstone on a glitch in the system. When dehumanizing black people to the point that folks can put a black person down for eating ice cream in the home he pays rent on IS THE SYSTEM. It just gives people an ok to opt out of reflecting on the racism that was all over this case. She was sharing all the little cute racist memes folks get all the time from friends and family and just go "Oh You...", Then she shot and killed a black person. That should be the take away.

Folks are quick to want to forgive and forget with not one attempt at redemption. She could have shown growth and tried to make things right by admitting she fucked up and pleading guility, but no she got up there and tried to invoke the power of whiteness like it was Greyskull at every turn. Society is always wants the Disney fairy story idealized of Empathy, but it never goes boy ways. We look like the bad guys if we still take offense to "Raped by a pack of niggers", or the tri monthly blackface usage, or where racism attempting to masquerade "Comedy".

Fat is that this man shouldn't even be in the position to have to do this, but folks are more than happy to see it over and over again because helps them not have to deal with reality. But margalized people don't have that luxiusre, we have to nuture our broken, and bury our dead and guess what? AIN'T NOBODY GOING OUT THEIR WAY TO HUG and SUPPORT US. So entirely me miss me with this cheap hit of white privilege dopamine
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Yep.

The second I heard people talking about how "powerful" that moment was or how it made them cry, it was obvious what was going on. The onus is placed on black victims to forgive, not on white perpetrators to actually redeem themselves and apologize. As designed, I guess.
Yeah, i agree. Had the convicted murderer, former cop been the one to ask to give a hug to the family and beg forgiveness, completely different. That POTENTIALLY makes for a powerful moment...but this?
Nope, naw, fuck that.
 

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I wish we had kept the pressure of the Civil Rights Movement going even after MLK's passing.

I mean we do have some sort of civil rights movement but not on the level with just about every black person is on the same page and we're boycotting key products and marching nationally as one black race all over the country.

There's one thing that I learned where self proclaimed Christian white racist will have no choice but to understand is that when you hurt their bottom line (money), they are willing to make concessions for black people.

But we're so far apart in our understanding and beliefs of what is our constitutional rights as equal human beings that we are in fighting with each other (see twitter) instead of working to working together as one race to destroy the systematic racism in this country. Even now we're allowing whitewashing of our black history with the definition of slavery before the Civil War.

And now we're arguing about if the brother was doing the right thing by forgiving his brother's murderer but not attacking the main issue that we are not as one in fighting the systemic racism that has been set upon us for centuries. That's why I am sad when my black brothers and sisters keeps saying that we are oppressed but we're not willing congregate to fight against that system as a whole and will accept the status quo just to not Rock the Boat. It's mind-numbingly frustrating.
You have a romanticized view of the civil rights movement. MLK and others disagreed all the time on how to handle stuff, Bayard Rustlin was pretty dismayed at how the Civil Rights Movement omitted LGBTQ issues and voices
 

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You have a romanticized view of the civil rights movement. MLK and others disagreed all the time on how to handle stuff
A lot of people questioned MLK's leadership after Albany, and then really started to question it after he signed up kids and sent them out to get locked up by police in Birmingham

And then obviously you have the Malcolm X side of stuff

Those are just a few big examples, but yea, there were def disagreements
 

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A lot of people questioned MLK's leadership after Albany, and then really started to question it after he signed up kids and sent them out to get locked up by police in Birmingham

And then obviously you have the Malcolm X side of stuff
And a thousand other stories that don't fit "I have a dream" speech ended racism chapter in history books
 

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He wants closure... he's hurt and he's trying to cope. Fuck her for forcing someone to go against their instincts like this. Righteous fury is what she deserved.
 
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Just saw where his brother said he doesn't even want her to go to jail.

I'm sorry but everyone is still aware of the evidence that she shot him as he was seated, right?

Like, I could maybe understand if it was totally dark and he came charging at her (which of course was his right) or some shit but he was sitting watching TV and the bullet trajectory speaks for itself.

Not to mention all the shit about how she managed not to figure out it wasn't her apt in the first place.

I don't get it. I understand forgiving someone but saying they should face no punishment for how egregious of a killing this was seems try-hard mindlessness to me.
 

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You have a romanticized view of the civil rights movement. MLK and others disagreed all the time on how to handle stuff, Bayard Rustlin was pretty dismayed at how the Civil Rights Movement omitted LGBTQ issues and voices
Indeed. We're not a monolith. The Civil Rights movement squeaked us by on actually getting the Voting Rights Act passed (which was gutted some years ago anyway). It cost us many casualties in terrorist attacks, lynchings, and assassinations, to say nothing of how deftly white people were able to snatch control of the legacy of the movement and turn it into this next-level, magical pacifist movement for their own gain as a hypocritical moral bludgeon for the black people fighting today. MLK didn't get to his plans for socialism for obvious fucking reasons. The Black Panthers were quickly destroyed while we predictably turned their school meal program into another way to shame the poor and destitute.

The history of black civil rights is fraught with infighting, diversity of thought, near misses, and bloodshed. The belief that we were some kind of Borg Collective on the matter and that our fights today are disappointing or shameful in comparison is basically white supremacy in action. There are lessons to learn from back in the 50s-70s. But this ain't it, chief.