It seems the UK's attempts to copy the US is getting worseYeah, this thread reads like a Daily Mail comment section. It's sick how quickly people want to abandon law for revenge.
Man, listening to her audio interview, she sounds like a sociopath. Didn't care at all seeing beheaded people's heads piled in a bin, only cares that she herself is being put in a bad position now and she wants to go home for the luxuries of better healthcare. Terrible person. She doesn't deserve to come back imo.
Can't you say the same about neo Nazi too? I'm sure you'd support them getting punched or going to jail.She has been conditioned and brainwashed. I see her as a victim.
She has been conditioned and brainwashed. I see her as a victim.
She is an adult. At what point you are held responsible for your own action and at what point you can blame it on brainwash?
Regardless of your opinion, she was in fact a child when she left the UK. She isn't now mind, buts it's worth remembering actual law to a pointDisagree that people think as a 15 year old that she was innocent and then brainwashed. At 15 you definitely have independent thoughts and are fully capable of understanding the choices they made. Sorry for the baby but she's not going to have a happy ending.
funny, i was watching the BBC and in discussing this case even the right wing MP jacob rees-mogg agreed she had a right to return and he said that, being so young, she was likely a victim too and should be shown compassion and not be stripped of her rights under the law.
leave it to the progressive bastion here to collectively take a position to the far-right of a far-right conservative MP
Bring her back, give her a fair trial, imprisonment (assumingly) and rehabilitation (if possible)
We aren't animals, FFS.
I would personally make her have a physiological assessment, charge her for any crimes she's done.
And if she's still appears to be a threat afterwards don't let her back.
If she doesn't appear to be one then let her in with supervision
She is an adult. At what point you are held responsible for your own action and at what point you can blame it on brainwash?
The point where I feel like a person's actions are their own, and not the result of coercion and brainwashing by those with power over them.She is an adult. At what point you are held responsible for your own action and at what point you can blame it on brainwash?
If this was a young man instead would you be saying the same? As already pointed out the same logic could be applied to Neo Nazis, but you'd be OK for them to get what they deserve right? ISIS wasn't some unknown underground club, they're a known terrorist organisation.Depends on whether you were brainwashed as a fucking child or not, doesn't it?
Some of you in here just want to see blood for blood. That's not justice.
Next up on era we should have a thread about how there are charities that provide a new way of life for former child soldiers in Sierra Leone. You know, some of them were even over 18 when they were still killing! How gross is it that there are people who are looking after them after all the evil they committed!
YupAllow her back, charge her with treason and terrorism and put the baby up for adoption who don't deserve punishment for her crime.
If this was a young man instead would you be saying the same? As already pointed out the same logic could be applied to Neo Nazis, but you'd be OK for them to get what they deserve right? ISIS wasn't some unknown underground club, they're a known terrorist organisation.
A 15 year old in the UK is not the same as a Child Soldier. By that age they've almost completed High School over here. When I was 15 I'd certainly have known not to join Al-Qaeda for instance, no matter how tempting they were making it sound.If a child had been brainwashed then I would. Of course I would.
The same logic applies to child soliders but I think you "progressives" are okay with charities helping them, right?
These are children who were exploited.
welcome to people having a difference of opinion I agree with you . But given how many members react we arent allowed to.
teens are formative years. There is a reason juveliene prisons exist. Having said that can we all agree on the child needs to be put into foster care?A 15 year old in the UK is not the same as a Child Soldier. By that age they've almost completed High School over here. When I was 15 I'd certainly have known not to join Al-Qaeda for instance, no matter how tempting they were making it sound.
welcome to people having a difference of opinion I agree with you . But given how many members react we arent allowed to.
I'm all for the child being taken into care and for the mother to be put under immediate arrest pending trial for her crimes.teens are formative years. There is a reason juveliene prisons exist. Having said that can we all agree on the child needs to be put into foster care?
A 15 year old in the UK is not the same as a Child Soldier. By that age they've almost completed High School over here. When I was 15 I'd certainly have known not to join Al-Qaeda for instance, no matter how tempting they were making it sound.
She is an adult. At what point you are held responsible for your own action and at what point you can blame it on brainwash?
She made a choice to join ISIS, stayed with them for four years, doesn't see anything wrong with them and still wants to spread their message. She only wants back in the UK for healthcare since her two previous children died, she's openly stated she has no regrets in her choices.My guess is that her childhood was different to yours. Are you really having this much trouble with the concept that a 15 year old can be a victim in this case?
"When I was 15 I'd certainly have known not to join Al-Qaeda for instance, no matter how tempting they were making it sound."
Super weird sentence given that you're solely looking at it only from your perspective. It's a meaningless statement to make. "I would have known it was wrong" is some dumb shit. Why did she think it was right?
What blows my mind here is that she is literally unfazed by anything. Like forget her still being a part of ISIS.
How the hell did she come out of that experience seeing this as a 'normal life'.
The other girls that went with you got blown up, you see severed heads on a daily basis, the friends you made in ISIS are body parts scattered across a field and you claimed that you had a couple of kids prior that fucking died to bombing. She's just OKAY with that? She doesn't regret a single damn decision?
There is something seriously fucked with her, and while I can definitely believe as a teenager she was manipulated hard to go to ISIS to begin with- there seems to be something darker about her that was always there. She honestly scares me.
Next up on era we should have a thread about how there are charities that provide a new way of life for former child soldiers in Sierra Leone. You know, some of them were even over 18 when they were still killing! How gross is it that there are people who are looking after them after all the evil they committed!
There absolutely is, it's why a lot of the grandstanding in here (thread) is a lot of hot airThere definitely needs to be some sort of program to cover this, to vet them for their activities, imprison them if they committed any crimes while abroad, or put them through a kind of halfway-house re-homing situation if they didn't.
She made a choice to join ISIS, stayed with them for four years, doesn't see anything wrong with them and still wants to spread their message. She only wants back in the UK for healthcare since her two previous children died, she's openly stated she has no regrets in her choices.
Sometimes you make stupid choices in life and they're the wrong choices. Joining ISIS/any terrorist organisation and committing treason against your home country is kind of one of those wrong choices. Had she been 8, 9 to 12, sure I could see your pov but she was nearly an adult in UK law.
CRS are usually beaten, abused, left for dead at a young age, whereas this girl had no signs of such life before she left to join ISIS.
you are aware how follow "law and justice" said that way sounds to many on the forum. you cant have it both ways.Yes, abandoning the entire concept of law and justice is "people having a different opinion". What an idiotic statement.