If Activision gets banned, it would be silly to not also ban Ubisoft for identical behavior.
Fine by me.
If Activision gets banned, it would be silly to not also ban Ubisoft for identical behavior.
Yes, and it's all part of a conversation I think we should have as a community. I think we might learn a lot about ourselves in the process. This conversation is already happening naturally in this thread. I don't know what the process is or how open admin are to community involvement in this type of issue, but I think it is a community conversation that needs to happen, not just a new set of rules coming down from admin.
I mean, I'm all for it.A slippery slope to what though, to holding companies accountable for their practices? Large companies like ActiBlizz rely of the hype and generation of such from places like ERA and the press, they want it, they need it. They rely on gamers being apathetic and it benefits them financially.
Nothing is done we go on and hype ourselves up over the next big thing and it is forgotten, and at one point it is too much. People are being harrased into taking their own lives. At some point we need to take actions, ERA needs to take actions the mainstream media needs to take actions.
What happened at Insomniac?
Blizzard did the same thing. Remember Blitzchung, and how Brack "apologized" on stage at Blizzcon, but never said what they were apologizing for, or plans for reverting the ban, and called he a "heated Hearthstone eSports moment" and then went "Okay now that that's out of the way, LOOK HERE'S DIABLO 4!"?Considering Ubisoft rely on hype and "look new game" to distract people from the allegations against them its frankly disgusting any kind of Ubi hype thread or promotion or "OT" is allowed here at all.
Well said.A slippery slope to what though, to holding companies accountable for their practices? Large companies like ActiBlizz rely of the hype and generation of such from places like ERA and the press, they want it, they need it. They rely on gamers being apathetic and it benefits them financially.
Nothing is done we go on and hype ourselves up over the next big thing and it is forgotten, and at one point it is too much. People are being harrased into taking their own lives. At some point we need to take actions, ERA needs to take actions the mainstream media needs to take actions.
My goodness.Maybe I should talk about the time the guy interviewing me at a game company talked about wanting to hire autistic people because at least they would never complain.
Allegations of abuse surfaced last year and have been discussed intermittently on the site since then.
Maybe I should talk about the time the guy interviewing me at a game company talked about wanting to hire autistic people because at least they would never complain.
Yeah, there is some serious company rot there. Just a lot of as they said frat boy mentality ranging from "harmless" pranks to outright sexual harassment (and worse). The constant gaslighting is like the consistent thread to all of these stories.
Riot Games too.If Activision gets banned, it would be silly to not also ban Ubisoft for identical behavior.
I remember at my work when a male snuck up behind a female working at her computer and grabbed her to scare her. She screamed and the guy was instantly taken into a side room and yelled at. He was never promoted and I'm pretty sure the only reason he wasn't fired is because the female kept saying it was fine.Yeah, there is some serious company rot there. Just a lot of as they said frat boy mentality ranging from "harmless" pranks to outright sexual harassment (and worse). The constant gaslighting is like the consistent thread to all of these stories.
A slippery slope to what though, to holding companies accountable for their practices?
This is what happens when frat boys are promoted, hire other frat boys, and have no one in positions of power with the will or moral compass to hold them accountable for their terrible behaviors.
GoodFor what it's worth the news has broken beyond the enthusiast press (and Bloomberg Law) with a short article in the New York Times.
Activision Blizzard Is Sued by California Over Workplace Culture (Published 2021)
The lawsuit says women at the gaming company were paid less and discriminated against, and it described a culture of sexual harassment.www.nytimes.com
There's nothing new in the article so don't bother if it's behind a paywall. I feel it's worth mentioning because higher profile general interest news items like this raise awareness which can lead to further consequences for the company, like shareholder pressure.
I mean, I'm all for it.
We've been voicing our opinions since Ubisoft's case emerged too a while back, but nothing has been done on that and I doubt this will be any different.
And EA, and Microsoft, and Riot, and, and, and…
Absolutely abhorrent. Name names in court and get them all fired.
Blizzard did the same thing. Remember Blitzchung, and how Brack "apologized" on stage at Blizzcon, but never said what they were apologizing for, or plans for reverting the ban, and called he a "heated Hearthstone eSports moment" and then went "Okay now that that's out of the way, LOOK HERE'S DIABLO 4!"?
For real. Turning down the unqualified hype culture down a notch is a. hardly a tough intervention and b. arguably just generally for the better.
Not a day goes by that this industry doesn't show just how unwelcoming they are to women, POC, and marginalized identities.
Oh no, not to worry about me. It should be me who should apologize since it looked like I was trying to handwave these issues in my previous post.Oh gosh, sorry texh, I thought you were counselling that we not be "too hasty" as that's a slippery slope, my apologies. Alacrity in this affair I would say is very much warranted while it is still in the public eye, hopefully it would embolden more of the press to refuse to act as this piece of shit companies mouthpiece.
This has really upset me and affected me, as someone that has been bullied and gaslit to the point where I considered myself so worthless that it would be easier were I dead this has, affected me.
What people don't always understand about such workplace harassment is that the cumulative effect can be so hurtful and insidious. "Small" things designed to wear you down gradually over time, can nullify your defences to the bigger abuses and make you feel you "deserve" them to normalise them. Abusers know consciously or not exactly how to ride that line to give you just enough reinforcement so that you truly believe you are worthless when the negativity starts. Its relentless, I would be in tears on the way to work as I considered if it was going to be a "bad" day or not, if he was going to be there or not. I would hide from or skip lunch so that I had less chance of seeing him.
I have only been free of my abuser for 7 months and I still cry when I think of that time, my new work with wonderful colleagues are lovely and don't understand why I apologise so much for the smallest error, why I stay so quiet during team meetings why I feel the need to check everything so much. They do not understand why I lack confidence in myself and my abilities. I cry when they say "well done Cerys".
Slowly I am building myself back up though. I am lucky that I broke free and found somewhere with nice people.
Sorry rambly ramblings. Even now I am effected by such things, and a lot more I can't really allow myself to think about.
It needed to be said. Nothing would be lost in a blanket ban on all content from Activision Blizzard; it's only a positive. My hopes aren't high though, so at least seeing hype and preview threads cut down would be a start.Oh yeah, If we as a community and ERA are happy not to hold them accountable for all that, for the mass redundancies while that stain of a human Kotic reaps more and more bonus money he could never spend, and finally this. Then frankly this place is no better than the old place, is no better than 8chan. Literally at what point does the media and enthusiast press decide "this is enough". ActiBlizz need places like here to propogate their hype a lot more than we need them. There are other games, other games made by companies who will drive their developers to suicide.
You don't need to apologize for any of this. I'm sorry that you had to go through all of that and am happy to hear you're in a better place now.Oh gosh, sorry texh, I thought you were counselling that we not be "too hasty" as that's a slippery slope, my apologies. Alacrity in this affair I would say is very much warranted while it is still in the public eye, hopefully it would embolden more of the press to refuse to act as this piece of shit companies mouthpiece.
This has really upset me and affected me, as someone that has been bullied and gaslit to the point where I considered myself so worthless that it would be easier were I dead this has, affected me.
What people don't always understand about such workplace harassment is that the cumulative effect can be so hurtful and insidious. "Small" things designed to wear you down gradually over time, can nullify your defences to the bigger abuses and make you feel you "deserve" them to normalise them. Abusers know consciously or not exactly how to ride that line to give you just enough reinforcement so that you truly believe you are worthless when the negativity starts. Its relentless, I would be in tears on the way to work as I considered if it was going to be a "bad" day or not, if he was going to be there or not. I would hide from or skip lunch so that I had less chance of seeing him.
I have only been free of my abuser for 7 months and I still cry when I think of that time, my new work with wonderful colleagues are lovely and don't understand why I apologise so much for the smallest error, why I stay so quiet during team meetings why I feel the need to check everything so much. They do not understand why I lack confidence in myself and my abilities. I cry when they say "well done REDACTED".
Slowly I am building myself back up though. I am lucky that I broke free and found somewhere with nice people.
Sorry rambly ramblings. Even now I am effected by such things, and a lot more I can't really allow myself to think about.
even if it were a blanket ban on all their content (and not just hype / preview stuff) then I argue nothing of value would be lost.
I can help with that
This is the type of pr storm that a company will not recover from. Public perception and employee relations are irreparably damaged at this point, especially with a death tied to the lawsuit. Acti-Blizzard will survive, its too big to go down, but we should all hope that some measure of justice is done.