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Can we talk about the God of War direction?...
- Thread starter GNEVERD
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Kratos changing mythology seems like an obvious move, so obvious it's been suggested by fans for many years.
Considering the franchise, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot of human enemies and hell .. even an encounter or two with Norse Gods.
Beating Hercules to a pulp in GOW3 is still one of the most satisfying gaming moments of all time.
I knew more about Egyptian mythology than Norse, before I started reading about Norse myths
The general audiences barely knows anything about Norse mythology. It's barely represented in movies and shows and elsewhere. Valhalla Rising? Vikings? American Gods? Those facts most people know, you can point to the Thor movies and that's about it, and those facts are twisted through a sci-fi superhero lens compared to how stories and games and such utilize Greek Mythology
That's fair. While it does seems a bit slower paced from previous games in the series, I don't agree that this isn't a character action game, but that would probably just come down to semantics.
I'm very happy with the game new direction. I think the last thing the series needs is another entry in the vein of the first crop.
I totally think this should have been a different game altogether,not because it has different gameplay,but the story was so greatly concluded in GoW3.
I think they knew that the GoW brand is guaranteed financial success,so that's why the stick with this name.
That being said,I say let's wait and see the game in the flesh,since I have still not a clear image where the new GoW is headed.I trust them based on their past history to make a quality game.The new combat in GoW feels like Hellblade on steroids,from the camera to the feel of the weapon and the way enemies come at you.
Let's just hope that the kid gets abducted at early levels,since I don't like having him alongside my journey till the end.I like that me vs the world feeling that the previous GoW games had.
I think they knew that the GoW brand is guaranteed financial success,so that's why the stick with this name.
That being said,I say let's wait and see the game in the flesh,since I have still not a clear image where the new GoW is headed.I trust them based on their past history to make a quality game.The new combat in GoW feels like Hellblade on steroids,from the camera to the feel of the weapon and the way enemies come at you.
Let's just hope that the kid gets abducted at early levels,since I don't like having him alongside my journey till the end.I like that me vs the world feeling that the previous GoW games had.
Hmm this feels like deja vu. I swear we answered this with the same pair of gifs before literally in the same order
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I don't work in the video game industry, and I don't feel the need to stalk the creator of the game. I play the games, and that's about as far as it goes for me. I'm sure I dig deeper on subjects that you have little knowledge of, but I don't see how sourcing a game creator's dialogue is relative to how I should personally feel about Kratos. Massive and big are adjectives you've added to my original post, and are very fanboyish. I like the series and Kratos, but I'm not obsessed with it.
David Jaffe talked about God of War jumping to different mythologies, suggesting that in the universe of God of War, all the mythologies exist at the same time. That Kratos is the harbinger of death for all mythologies.
You might have moments where you're briefly separated but it seems the kid will be there more than 95% of the time since he's crucial to the gameplay.
I have a feeling the game will start - or will at least have - some kind of Flashback section where it's more like the Classic God of War (complete with Skin you can unlock after completing the game) that will show what event threw him into the Frozen North.
Maybe they'll just assume the 1000 year or so time gap between the Ancient Greeks and early Norse writings means people just converted over.
What I want to know is how did he go from Greek to Scandinavian looking.
Wow dude - no need to respond so obtusely. The reveal of God of War literally came with Cory Barlog talking about it. Also, I used to test for Jaffe and have met and spoken with him several times over the years, but I must be a "stalker" right? How awful of me to want to chat with the creator of one of my favorite franchises.
You don't need to be obsessed to have simply payed attention to how to spell the character's name, or how the third game ended. That in itself is what I was pointing out - that you claimed to be as much, and "disrespected" as a fan, yet are not able to see the logistics and logic of how Kratos ended up North of Greece, where Norse mythology originates.
The reason I even mentioned Sony Santa Monica wanting to have Kratos visit different mythologies was because you ASKED for an explanation.
As someone who played every GOW game to completion, I say bring on the new direction. After playing Ascension, it was clear that the series needed a major shake-up. After GOWIII, it would make no sense to set yet another installment of the series in Greek mythology, that story was pretty much complete. It is very refreshing to see they took a long, hard look at Kratos and managed to reinvent him while still tying him to the older games. The gameplay looks every bit as brutal as before, even if it has been drastically retooled.
This idea would've worked so much better if every game was a different mythology instead of spending 6 games treading water in Greece. I was so sick of Kratos by the end of 3 that I just wanted him to be gone. If they had just moved on to another pantheon for 2 like Jaffe originally wanted, it would've been way better.
I wanted a Kratos vs. Jesus battle with the Lance of Longinus.
that's what I'm talking about. He'd be a great baseball player
I liked GOW as a fast-paced character action game, so changing from that to a slow-paced behind the shoulder cinematic game is very drastic indeed. I certainly get that TLOU vibe so I hope the actual game would be significantly different.
However, I don't really care about Kratos himself though so I don't mind seeing him being older, gentler, and wiser. I do hope that they would explain the change (but even if not I don't think I really care).
So I guess I am 50/50 on this. I am cautious optimistic about this one even though it's not what I am expecting.
However, I don't really care about Kratos himself though so I don't mind seeing him being older, gentler, and wiser. I do hope that they would explain the change (but even if not I don't think I really care).
So I guess I am 50/50 on this. I am cautious optimistic about this one even though it's not what I am expecting.
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Right! You understand where I'm coming from. When I see people disagree with our pov, I see two views.
One is people had GoW fatigue, which I totally understand and why I didn't play any of the other games past 3. The other view is people just didn't like Kratos as a person, which I understand too.
However, if you didn't like him before, you somehow believe he is less of a dick because his son is tagging along for the journey? I'm pretty sure he's still an asshole to other people, not named son.
I love the fact that it's still Kratos and just a new mythology. The kid companion is what has me worried. Would not be surprised if I totally hate the game.
What? Kratos is still on the same planet. It's still the same earth. Some still know him. They know what he did.
I never liked Kratos as a character, i still don't. I love the games and the brutality is cool to watch and play. But the stories of almost all the games are shit.
In GOW1 at the very least you had a clear motivation for Kratos. But from two on wards Kratos is just a fucking out of control maniac which is not likable and his reasons don´t make sense. I compare him with Gyp Rosetti from Boardwalk Empire, fucking unlikable psychopath who wants to rip your head off with very little provocation or motive, if you eat Kratos lunch he will bring the fury of the Titans to end your and your family's lives, fucking nonsense.
If this changes all that and brings sympathy to the character with a new dynamic with his son, i'm 100% in.
In GOW1 at the very least you had a clear motivation for Kratos. But from two on wards Kratos is just a fucking out of control maniac which is not likable and his reasons don´t make sense. I compare him with Gyp Rosetti from Boardwalk Empire, fucking unlikable psychopath who wants to rip your head off with very little provocation or motive, if you eat Kratos lunch he will bring the fury of the Titans to end your and your family's lives, fucking nonsense.
If this changes all that and brings sympathy to the character with a new dynamic with his son, i'm 100% in.
I agree, six games is A LOT. The change in direction is long overdue.
Dude, the creator of the series, David Jaffe, talked about Kratos going through different mythos. All the mythos have existed at the some point in history. In GoW, all the mythos are real and something he will or might face. The jump from Greek to Norse mythology is not crazy if you know they all exist in one universe. The God of War title is just a title, Kratos is a harbinger of death for all Gods.
I just wish we didn't get stuck with Kratos and a different setting but essentially a different genre. I wanted a new setting and a new protagonist but the same DMC-style gameplay, personally.
I'm going to scream if they imply Kratos is redeemed or a good person for treating his son nicely in one part of the game or saves a few people.
You threw a crying sex slave into a grinder to open a door and then killed millions of people.
I'm curious if Sony has filtered out interview questions of "how will you deal with Kratos' extreme misogyny from his past" or if journalists just are completely uninterested in asking those questions.
You threw a crying sex slave into a grinder to open a door and then killed millions of people.
I'm curious if Sony has filtered out interview questions of "how will you deal with Kratos' extreme misogyny from his past" or if journalists just are completely uninterested in asking those questions.
Heh, this is the first time I see someone say GoW gameplay is DMC style. I assume if I posted like this in any DMC thread I would probably get backlash a lot
pre ordered the god of war ps4 stone mason edition on amazon yesterday, Cannot wait to play this game! The world and exploration will be amazing
I mean, it's not as GOOD as Devil May Cry gameplay, but that's the genre both games are part of.
And while I do love me some Dark Souls, that is not the kind of template I was looking for for my current-gen stylish action games.
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That's cool! Like I've said, I have no problem with it. I just would like a concise explanation, but I'd prefer a the lead character be someone different than Kratos.
You'r mistaking my tone, and I'm probably doing the same. I think you're missing my approach to GoW as well. I'm just in it for the content.
That's great that you use to test for Jaffe (I'm not familiar with who he is exactly, but he's obviously helped create the game, GREAT!).
I'm not the only person that didn't know Kratos was alive in this thread. Furthermore, if you step outside of yourself, then you'll be able to understand how the credits may not be as important to others as they are to you. Taking names doesn't quantify how much you like or enjoy said product. I'm not sure what you're referring to about misspelling Krato's, but I think I've spelled it enough times in this thread for my GoW affinity not to be questioned. Spelling corrector may be the culprit.
Pretty sure that will be touched on in the story, given the scene with him looking at the vase.
Also remember that's it been a long long time since GoW 3 and Kratos has been wandering ever since. Also that Kratos is teaching his son to be a merciless ruthless killer, while his son struggles against Kratos' teachings. Having someone to protect doesn't mean he has to be a good person.
Agreed, and the story may also come down to where his son also teaches him a few things as well.
I always hated Kratos though I liked the games so his change so far has been a real boon to me personally.
I mean, I don't know what will happen, they've shown nothing of this game.
But let's not make it a redemption story unless he like saves millions of people and addresses the super evil parts of his past, mmkay.
Kratos isn't greyish-white morality wise like Wolverine before and during most of Logan. Kratos was sick and evil, don't have him have an arc like Logan.
I liked playing as Total Asshole Kratos and can't say I'm interested in Nice Guy Dadtos. That being said, I'd still check the game out but that emphasis on the omnipresent kid, aka hint giver/hand holder, and more than likely dramatically serious story bits isn't for me so I'm good.
I liked the gameplay of the God of War games but I never liked Kratos as a character. With each entry he got progressively less likeable and just seemed more and more like an asshole. This new Kratos is a 100 times more interesting to me.
He did have a family once. He tried to save his mother. He tried to save and reconcile with his brother. He decided to save mankind rather than stay reunited with his daughter.
He's a monster but also has shown compassion and a desire to help others and care for his loved ones throughout the six games
I would probably expect them to explain it in someway in the next game.
I guess it's just different opinion for each person. I never think GoW gamdplay is worse than DMC since it nevers try to be a stylish action game. The game nevers emphasize on try to use many moves as possible, it also doesnt even have a score system ingame. From my point of view its very a standard Western gameplay, you have light and heavy attacks, together with L1 to create special moves, frame window for counter also big to be more accesible for casual. The series never built for hardcore in the first place
David Jaffe is the creator of God of War, and the first person in the credits for the original God of War. If you want to talk about respect, have a little for the people who spent years making these games for us to enjoy.
Now that you know Kratos is still alive, combine that knowledge with the context that the immediate region of Greece was flooded, and thus him going off the cliff and into the ocean could easily have sent him North.
My mention of the director of God of War 2, and now God of War for PS4, was not to imply you're not a fan - but rather that he is the one you should be putting a little trust into for the direction the game is taking. Cory Barlog made his case several times regarding the new direction and gameplay, including that it will have massive boss fights and that Kratos (not Krato's as your seem to be writing) has to keep his rage in check at times.
Check it out:
To make a thread about being wary of the new direction is fine, but be open minded when people answer your questions instead of willfully remaining stuck to complaints some of us have explained or show are simply false.
The issue with God of war 3 is it was trying to technically end Kratos's story, and give him some closure with the guilt that turned to rage he had for the death of his family.
The little girl in God of war 3 was suppose to show a side of him we hadn't seen since god of war which was only in a few scenes in the first game.
He was angry that the gods basically dictated what people became, when they died, and how little their impact was on the world without them being there. So by the time we were at GOD OF WAR 3 he was trying to not kill the gods for revenge, but to kill and bring an end to them so humanity could choose their own way. So people would not have to look up to the gods of guidance of what to do. Which is why he takes the blade of Olympus that holds the spirit of hope and trys to release it to everyone so that no God would be their overseer and humans would be able to chart their own path without the meddling and oppression from the gods who thought so little of them.
He saw how he was perceived by them, and how the gods knew of his family's death that would come by his hands and how Ares was pulling the strings but they sat back and did nothing. His fate was sealed the moment he was born because he was a spartan, trained from birth to be a warrior and fight in the name of the gods instead of for themselves.
But it kind of got lost with all the gore, hate, and the actions the player was doing. Only at the tale end when you confront Zeus does Kratos have a moment where he tries to save Pandora from sacrificing herself to the flame because he couldn't save his own family from their fate, he wanted to change hers.
It didn't come across well, and the ending had no buildup or context seen throughout the game that Kratos wanted to bring an end of the gods so mankind could be free of their hold over them. It was written as he just wanted them all dead because he was still angry with them for Zeus betraying him, and for letting the death/ares happen.
He was angry that the gods basically dictated what people became, when they died, and how little their impact was on the world without them being there. So by the time we were at GOD OF WAR 3 he was trying to not kill the gods for revenge, but to kill and bring an end to them so humanity could choose their own way. So people would not have to look up to the gods of guidance of what to do. Which is why he takes the blade of Olympus that holds the spirit of hope and trys to release it to everyone so that no God would be their overseer and humans would be able to chart their own path without the meddling and oppression from the gods who thought so little of them.
He saw how he was perceived by them, and how the gods knew of his family's death that would come by his hands and how Ares was pulling the strings but they sat back and did nothing. His fate was sealed the moment he was born because he was a spartan, trained from birth to be a warrior and fight in the name of the gods instead of for themselves.
But it kind of got lost with all the gore, hate, and the actions the player was doing. Only at the tale end when you confront Zeus does Kratos have a moment where he tries to save Pandora from sacrificing herself to the flame because he couldn't save his own family from their fate, he wanted to change hers.
It didn't come across well, and the ending had no buildup or context seen throughout the game that Kratos wanted to bring an end of the gods so mankind could be free of their hold over them. It was written as he just wanted them all dead because he was still angry with them for Zeus betraying him, and for letting the death/ares happen.
I would have preferred if they instead made games based on the god of war of other cultures. Mayan, Egyptian, nordic, etc.
Dad of war is... Interesting. The whole concept seems somewhat incongruous
Dad of war is... Interesting. The whole concept seems somewhat incongruous
Exactly. Kratos (after the first game) is 100% a villain. He's pure evil, and the only reason he's the protagonist is that all the other gods were just as shitty as he was. At the absolute best you could call him an anti-villain, but none of his methods or motivations were pure or selfless. He doesn't get to just decide he's human again because he has a son now. He's still evil, he's still awful, and SSM trying to make us feel for him is just such a weird bit of moral blindness I honestly don't know how they're able to look at the character and not see that.
It's not built for the hardcore, you're right. But stylish action doesn't need to be for the hardcore. That's the thing, it was always meant to make up for its shortcomings as far as moveset and control complexity by using the brutality as a means of allowing the player to feel empowered, which is fine. It knows what it is and it never apologized for that.
But this entire genre shift is just...unnecessary. Especially for those of us who like character action games and have no other options this gen.
he probably send it before they left via UPS https://nypost.com/2017/12/21/family-will-get-846k-inheritance-lost-by-ups/
but seriously op, in one of the interviews, they mentioned we will find about in the game. also, they had to shake up the formula to make another GOW this gen at the very least
Find it funny that OPs biggest concern is Kratos being in a new mythology.
Probably one of the smallest things anyone has brought up lol.
Probably one of the smallest things anyone has brought up lol.
And the new game's combat looks more brutal, heavy, and powerful than the Blades ever did. Every hit looks like it has weight and power behind it
Kratos seems more violent, fierce, and brutish than in any of the other games. Like forget the great warrior wielding famous blades, here he's get dirty with his bare fists to crush faces and pound enemies into the ground.
Maybe it is. And if that's what you want, cool, but for those of us who were fine with the original direction of the combat system and just wanted a change of setting and protagonist to change things up, it's not really particularly helpful.
That's just God of War 1 with a different skin. No different than GoW 2, 3, GoS, CoO, and Ascension. Which were all God of War 1 with different settings, some different enemies and bosses, and some different subweapons
What you're asking for is what they already did for six games.