I'm just fucking around. What's your beef with me?
I'm just fucking around. What's your beef with me?
To your question: No, it was caused by colonialism. We agree on this.I too would also like an explanation as to how anyone can strip away the historical precedence of oppression against native Africans via white supremacy, resulting in the modern sociopolitical climates within those countries, just to push some false equivocation that their justifiable apprehension BACKED by said historical precedence is at all the same as proactive racism.
In more simpler terms: Do you honestly think the plight of white Liberians would even be a thing NOW if native Liberians weren't subjugated and pillaged for CENTURIES by white supremacy prior?
Are Jews then not considered white people?You can be prejudice but not racist towards white people. Racism is dependent on one group exerting their power over another.
You are making negative generalizations of the forum in a thread regarding a sensitive issue and are refusing to elaborate on your points thereby not participating in good faith discussion that involves sharing your reasoning beyond drive-by posting.
Oh well my bad I didn't mean any harm.Huh?
If you were being sarcastic it didn't really come across as such....
I'm not trying to conflate anything, white Americans might not experience systemic racism, but if you're denying systemic oppression of Bosniaks during Yugoslav Wars or prejudice against white Eastern European immigrants in Western Europe (not comparable to systemic racism, but racism nonetheless) then you're indulging in pedantry and arguing semantics.
I can't talk about Bosniaks, but I can talk about my experience as a North Caucasian in Russia, *drum roll* Nigerian immigrant in Moscow will find job, apartments to rent faster and will have an easier time with cops than me. Period. Don't believe me? Ask Africans who live in Russia. Now, I recognize that Caucasus and Russia have a history that makes our relationships "unique" so to speak and it doesn't reflect the societal structure of entire Europe, but that doesn't have any bearings on the OP's question.
What's next, are you going to tell me that Islamophobia and anti-semitism aren't part of racism?
Wait what point are you trying to make?You are making negative generalizations of the forum in a thread regarding a sensitive issue and are refusing to elaborate on your points thereby not participating in good faith discussion that involves sharing your reasoning beyond drive-by posting.
it seems to me like the definition does hold up though. gender as defined there is effective in describing some of those other terms.This is the dictionary definition for Gender:
either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.
This definition falls apart completely when discussing transpeople, intersex, and genderqueer people. It starts you out with an understanding but it doesn't go into the detail necessary. A dictionary shouldn't be the end all be all understanding of complex and nuances concepts.
And yet people don't argue "well not all northern Germanic descent people!". And when filling out a form The options are only Caucasian or white. Not Irish, not Italian, not German. White.
A lot of people in here playing the disingenuous semantics game.
Please elaborate on this:
This forum is so scared to call out the fact that PoC can be just as racists as white people.
Whats the point of this thread? That white people cannot be racially profiled?
You do realize that jews were/are persecuted for their religion and not their whiteness, right?
Anybody can be racist? What are you trying to say?Please elaborate on this:
Who do you believe is racially profiling white people and in what way
Say that to Roma people all over europe please.No you can't.
Whiteness is "desirable" due to being the standard of "power". It's like asking if you can be ableist against a person who does not have a disability.
You can absolutely be prejudical though. That's discrimination, but not racism.
Google Grozny 1994. If you think that this has stopped after the Chechen War then, no offence, but you have to educate yourself on Russian-Caucasian relationships throughout history.And yes, the way you're treated in Russia is mostly local, and definitely disgusting, but still not anywhere on the same scale as what POC can experience in most parts of the world in an overwhelming oppressive way.
Islamophobic = Racist. I need to hear a good argument for why Islamophobia can't be described as a racist attitude towards people of the Muslim faith. So, in my opinion, Srebrenica is a horrible racist crime done to one group of white people by the other group of white people. Same can be applied to the Holocaust. Same could be applied to Cromwell's conquer of Ireland. Those are all crimes done against people for their perceived "otherness".And that's why I can't sit by watching you trying to imply that "white people can suffer from racism" quoting the Srebrenica massacre, because that's co-opting and derailing the fact that, first and foremost, is an islamophobic massacre, not an anti-white one like your sarcastic post was trying to imply.
Uh what? I'm not sure how you can look at the Nazi ideology, and their form of persecuting Jews, and arrive at that conclusion.You do realize that jews were/are persecuted for their religion and not their whiteness, right?
Islamophobic = Racist. I need to hear a good argument for why Islamophobia can't be described as a racist attitude towards people of the Muslim faith. So, in my opinion, Srebrenica is a horrible racist crime done to one group of white people by the other group of white people. Same can be applied to the Holocaust. Same could be applied to Cromwell's conquer of Ireland. Those are all crimes done against people for their perceived "otherness".
Sure, anyone can be racist, the thing is though that white people do not have to deal with systemic racism that is built directly into the American system. Nothing will ever change that. As a white male I recognize that my experiences in this country are vastly different than a black/brown person. I think this thread is a quite a bit disingenuous if I'm being honest. Basically individual racism is a thing, but it isn't remotely the same thing as what other races deal with. I don't fear for my life when I get pulled over, I don't have to deal with people following me around stores, I don't have to talk to my kids about how they should act around police, the list goes on.
You think the reason the Nazis persecuted the Jewish people was because they're white??? (This question also extends to people invoking the Roma, Slavic peoples, and Italian Americans).Uh what? I'm not sure how you can look at the Nazi ideology, and their form of persecuting Jews, and arrive at that conclusion.
And I am Mexican and to deal with some shit. But whats the point though? My wife is White and she had to deal with some racist shit.Sure, anyone can be racist, the thing is though that white people do not have to deal with systemic racism that is built directly into the American system. Nothing will ever change that. As a white male I recognize that my experiences in this country are vastly different than a black/brown person. I think this thread is a quite a bit disingenuous if I'm being honest. Basically individual racism is a thing, but it isn't remotely the same thing as what other races deal with. I don't fear for my life when I get pulled over, I don't have to deal with people following me around stores, I don't have to talk to my kids about how they should act around police, the list goes on.
The point is pretty straightforward man, white people as a whole do not have to deal with systemic racism. Do they have to deal with individual racism? Yah sure, just like everyone else. Those two things are vastly different though.And I am Mexican and to deal with some shit. But whats the point though? My wife is White and she had to deal with some racist shit.
Definitions have a tendency to change, otherwise, any alt-righter would've been able to make a case why systemic racism is not actually a thing while citing early definitions of the word. So, yeah, in my opinion, the definition which only includes race/colour is horribly outdated by now.Maybe because the word "racism" contains the word "race" and that discrimination based on religion isn't discrimination based on race/skin color?
Seems that way, have a good evening.But I don't agree with the argument you're making, probably because we don't agree on the definition of racism to begin with. In which case, this discussion might be moot anyway, and it will not change neither one of us nor our opinions.
I don't think it was because they're white but saying it was because of their religion is so false it hurts. It didn't matter what religion someone practiced to be declared Jewish. It was all based on ancestry. The Nazis applied a multitude of racial markers to what makes a Jew a Jew, that's simply undeniableYou think the reason the Nazis persecuted the Jewish people was because they're white??? (This question also extends to people invoking the Roma, Slavic peoples, and Italian Americans).
Prejudice might be a better term than racist for this context.
You can be prejudiced against anything: sex, ethnicity, religion, skin color.
Racism is a specific type of prejudice.
So this "academic understanding" only includes systemic oppression? Why? Doesn't seem consistent with any actual definition of the word.
Definitions have a tendency to change, otherwise, any alt-righter would've been able to make a case why systemic racism is not actually a thing while citing early definitions of the word. So, yeah, in my opinion, the definition which only includes race/colour is horribly outdated by now.
That's fair, but it also lends credence to the argument against white racism being a thing. The Jews, the Roma, the Slavs have undeniably experienced persecution, but no one in this thread has made the argument that that persecution was based on the fact that these peoples were white, which only solidifies my argument that "whiteness" and "white culture" in and of themselves are moreso sociopolitical identities than understandably-defined ethnic ones. The Jewish people had a "multitude of racial markers" applied to them to make them distinct from the "white" race in order to justify the horrors of Nazism. I'll even admit poor white southeners face prejudiced ribbing from rich metropolitan whites in the modern era still, but it's not because they're white, but because they're considered unintelligent and low-class. Until of course the election comes around and you need these people to remember that even if they're unintelligent and low-class, well, they aren't niggers, and white people regardless of class are absolutely united in their quest to make sure the niggers understand their place.I don't think it was because they're white but saying it was because of their religion is so false it hurts. It didn't matter what religion someone practiced to be declared Jewish. It was all based on ancestry. The Nazis applied a multitude of racial markers to what makes a Jew a Jew, that's simply undeniable
Not quiet sure what you are telling me in response, but we agree then.
Why the fuck are people using prejudice + power to mean racism when the vast majority of people still think of it as racial prejudice? It's like that's intentionally confusing people, and it'll just cause problems because telling people that you can't be racist against white people is just going to make people not understand what you mean and just tune you out. Like, it seems like a way to try to feel superior to those "inferior, uneducated masses" by using acting like they don't truly understand what racism is. Surely, there's got to be a word that describes systematic racism or power + prejudice without intentionally confusing the masses?
Why the fuck are people using prejudice + power to mean racism when the vast majority of people still think of it as racial prejudice? It's like that's intentionally confusing people, and it'll just cause problems because telling people that you can't be racist against white people is just going to make people not understand what you mean and just tune you out. Like, it seems like a way to try to feel superior to those "inferior, uneducated masses" by using acting like they don't truly understand what racism is. Surely, there's got to be a word that describes systematic racism or power + prejudice without intentionally confusing the masses?
I didn't know that sexual orientation has as much to do with race as culture. But please, keep being pedantic in order to minimize suffering of the people you don't care about.Next you're gonna tell me that homophobia, a discrimination based on sexual orientation, should be classified under the "racism umbrella" because reasons?