Gold Arsene

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Oct 27, 2017
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People really showed their colors getting so upset about something so fucking inconsequential.

Like, I know that's usually par for the course but in this case it is literally the most trivial thing to get upset about. I bet if she never mentioned the words "white male", no one would've given a shit.
The worst part is these people keep saying she "doesn't want white men to watch her movie" or how she "hates men" and other miss interpretive shit and spam these comments so people who don't bother to actually research anything to believe this crap.
 

2ndTuXx

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Oct 27, 2017
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58% is a bit harsh but I won't die on a hill defending this film's validity.

Couldn't get into it. Wasn't really that good imo
 

LL_Decitrig

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Oct 27, 2017
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I never look at audience reaction. The audience is dumb. Critical response is almost always right.

I don't know why so many people ignore this obvious fact.

Next time you go to see a film, try discreetly eavesdropping on other people in the audience as they leave the auditorium. You'll hear a lot of really stupid takes on the film you just watched. Now go to The Guardian or any other quality newspaper or specialist film magazine and read their reviews of the film. Now why would you care about the audience assessments, even if they weren't being brigaded by malicious individuals?
 

UltimateHigh

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is part of why I can't really buy that The Last Jedi's user score was authentically that low. I can buy that it was a divisive movie, but the targeting that movies like CM and BP get seems like something that would exist for TLJ as well, to some extent at least.

not a chance it was authentic (cinemascore says hi). it was mostly the super nerds and man babies who went that hard on it. their constant fuckery poisened the well too. (YouTube is fucked)

(not that certain gripes aren't valid but some need to calm the hell down, and others need to shoot themselves into the sun)
 

Gold Arsene

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Oct 27, 2017
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Can you imagine how much these people are going to shit there pants in rage when they introduce Kamala?
 

Crossing Eden

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Oct 26, 2017
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Just like I don't like the system I described, I'm also not very fond of a system limited to a single country.
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It's been the industry metric for unbiased audience reception for quite a while as they've been around for decades. Also helps that they're not susceptible to angry incels/manchildren.
 

Slime

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Oct 25, 2017
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I hate that the tantrums of Nazi incels have forced me to root for average popcorn movies as if they're important artifact in some goofy culture war.
 
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I never look at audience reaction. The audience is dumb. Critical response is almost always right.
Yep, general audiences are dumb as rocks. In addition to missing all subtext, it's not uncommon for people to miss plainly shown story beats as well.

It's telling that some viewers think nothing of walking their ass out of the auditorium in the middle of the movie to refill their jumbo popcorn. I've seen it many times.
 

CortexVortex

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Oct 30, 2017
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I really don't get. It's ONE female-led movie in the MCU, so why do some basement dwellers hate it so much?
They could just ignore it and watch Avengers, Iron Man, Thor and all the other movies instead. It's not like this will be the end of all Male superheroes.

Btw it's a really good movie and all of you should go watch it if you like Marvel.
 

NotLiquid

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Oct 25, 2017
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Captain Marvel's metascore is sitting at 65 so critical response isn't that great either.
While you're right that the critical reception floats around the "just good" impression (a vast majority of movie critics use the 5 point scale so a ~60 range movie is still considered positive) Marvel movies on Metacritic aren't really that high. Avengers is a 69, Age of Ultron is a 66. It can also get really lopsided at times; Ant-Man and The Wasp is just as highly rated as The Winter Soldier (70).

Metacritic doesn't really crop up that much when audiences talk movies because RT's system usually resonates more in the basic "will you enjoy the movie or won't you" system. It's why the Ebert formula resonated so much, all audiences are looking for is a basic thumbs up/thumbs down. RT even has their own "weighted average" for reviews, much of which diverts heavily against Metacritic (Avengers which has a 69 on MC has an 8.05 on RT) and while it used to be prominently displayed it's been concealed away, seemingly because audiences learned not to care.

Also, Metacritic only really counts roughly ~50 reviews for movies while RT usually ends up in the 300-400 range for blockbusters.
 

Gold Arsene

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Oct 27, 2017
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I really don't get. It's ONE female-led movie in the MCU, so why do some basement dwellers hate it so much?
They could just ignore it and watch Avengers, Iron Man, Thor and all the other movies instead. It's not like this will be the end of all Male superheroes.

Btw it's a really good movie and all of you should go watch it if you like Marvel.
Brie Larson said she wanted more diversity in her press events.

That translates to "I hate white men" apparently.
 

Kaim Argonar

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Dec 8, 2017
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I'm feeling with this movie a bit like I felt with Ghostbusters 2016. I think the movie is really weak and clearly tries to force some things (and that probably has to do with how quick they've wanted to introduce a new character into the "mainline" than with any hidden agenda all those lunatics think there is), but I do not want to give fuel to all those hate filled bigots, so I just won't review or score it in any way. At least I didn't have to pay to watch it either since it was an invitation.

But man, how sad must someone be in his life, and how much spare time does he have to lose time hating things.
 

Braaier

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Oct 29, 2017
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Think this'll have an effect on its box office? Looks like it opened pretty well in China. But I'm curious how it'll do in the US. Initial tracking had it opening at 160m. Before Larson ruffled some feathers. Wonder if that will drop now
 

FaceHugger

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Oct 27, 2017
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Dat Alt-right x Incel effect.

"But she's a girl and she wants more brown people at press junkets! The jews will not replace us!".
 

Bonejack

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Oct 27, 2017
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Seeing it on Sunday, but i decided to skim through a few of those user reviews. Yeah well. I'm sometimes still astonished that a powerful female hero, who ... dunno like ... exists in various media forms of comics already ... puts that much issue on some guys. Sad.

Also holy heck @ that Rian Jonhson tweet. Tweet of the year! ^^
 

NotLiquid

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Oct 25, 2017
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Think this'll have an effect on its box office? Looks like it opened pretty well in China. But I'm curious how it'll do in the US. Initial tracking had it opening at 160m. Before Larson ruffled some feathers. Wonder if that will drop now
It's already relatively locked in for a strong opening weekend based on thursday night performance. People are already moving the goalposts to talk second week drop offs.
 

Contramann

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Oct 27, 2017
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And I remember people in TLJ threads claiming that no one review bombs on RT. I think at this point anyone sensible is just going to stop giving that any weight whatsoever.
 

Sutton Dagger

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Oct 27, 2017
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I love that she'll be a major part of Avengers Endgame, I can't wait to read all the manbaby complaints about how she ruined the mcu. They're just so pathetic
 

Peru

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Oct 26, 2017
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Think this'll have an effect on its box office? Looks like it opened pretty well in China. But I'm curious how it'll do in the US. Initial tracking had it opening at 160m. Before Larson ruffled some feathers. Wonder if that will drop now

Actual long term tracking had it at 100 mill. Then it increased. The tracking number is higher now than before, despite Larson ruffling some feathers.
 

elyetis

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Oct 26, 2017
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You asked a question and I gave you an answer about what's considered the metric for audience reception. Note, being the metric doesn't indicate perfection, it indicates a consistency, accuracy, and trust.
And I ever said cinemascore was bad, or not better than RT. But you made me discover a new element to mesure something, in a topic where we discuss the failure of another, it seems normal to look at it with critical thinking to see if this one too has failures, and maybe try to see/check/discuss how much impact they have, if any.

You might just want to rethink your gif usage, I would rate it F in the discussion category but a good A+ in the unecessary patronazing category.
 

FaceHugger

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's already relatively locked in for a strong opening weekend based on thursday night performance. People are already moving the goalposts to talk second week drop offs.

Not to mention, strong word of mouth trumps all else. It can even give a gusting third wind to movies (like Wonder Woman - word of mouth guided that movie to a string of steady weeks very few movies have enjoyed following an initial weekend drop off).

Not addressing you directly, just speaking generally: despite how loud the static from the alt-right & incels might seem online, they're a minority of the opinion out there and it seems like very, very few outside of their bizarre echo chambers even cares about their grievances.
 

Vern

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Oct 26, 2017
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I almost wanna see it because it makes incels and other weirdos mad but it looks so shitty, even for the mcu. I'm sure my 5 bucks won't make a difference anyway.
 

Figgles

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Oct 30, 2017
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I almost wanna see it because it makes incels and other weirdos mad but it looks so shitty, even for the mcu. I'm sure my 5 bucks won't make a difference anyway.

Kinda where I'm at, although I wouldn't go so far as to call it shitty... just looks mediocre, and completely unremarkable. The tepid reviews haven't helped.
 

LL_Decitrig

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Oct 27, 2017
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Cinemascore is flawed too as it seems just to measure if the movie is what people who went to see it expected it to be. It is the reason why movies such as Drive and Hereditary got Ds while movies like Tyler Perry's Madea's Funeral gets an A.

Yeah, these metrics should be used with care. CinemaScore is great for letting you know whether your marketing was effective. For instance Blade Runner 2049 attracted an older, heavily male demographic, underachieving very high expectations based on the excellent reviews it got. CinemaScore results showed that, of those who showed up, the younger demographic appreciated it more. The younger people just weren't attracted to see the film by the marketing campaign.

Because of the way CinemaScore information is gathered, it's of very little use in predicting first weekend gross, second weekend fall-off and the like, though it will tend to predict how strong word of mouth will be.
 

CaviarMeths

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Oct 25, 2017
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Even if it wasn't being brigaded (it is), user reviews are completely useless anyway because consumers are too dumb to rate things anything but a 0 or 100.
 

HardRojo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Imagine being such an insecure idiotic incel (III) that you go out of your way to review bomb a movie starring a woman as a powerful role model. These idiots don't realize that even if women did not exist, they'd still be the pathetic fuckers they are now.
 

entrydenied

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
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I hate that this whole SJW ruined Marvel thing seems also rampant in other countries. At least some of the regular taiwanese youtubers who do videos on movies have people leaving similar comments but in chinese. Fuck people who think that diversity is about political correctness.
 

Dust

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This is more about Brie as a person than Captain Marvel/female hero, I think. Brie signed her doom with that "less white male critics" comment, reddit/4chan launched all their troops at that point.
 

Common Knowledge

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??? another RT thread

i promise the general public doesn't care about user scores. dw stans, your precious MCU will still do numbers
 

entrydenied

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Oct 26, 2017
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Yup. They'd be furiously boycotting every Captain America movie because of Chris Evans if they were actually consistent. But Chris Evans isn't a woman, so it's harder to irrationally hate him, I guess.
Yup. He tweets about Trump and the Republicans really often but never gets attacked but Brie Larson comes ou5 and say "more diversity" and then everything that has her gets bombed.

I can't wait for next phase because we're getting Black Widow, possibly a PoC and a gay character/actor in Eternals and Shang Chi. If we're lucky we'll also get Ms. Marvel.
 

Serpens007

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Oct 31, 2017
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I mean it goes pretty much without saying it, but sawing the movie there really isn't ANYTHING that can be taken as "shoving feminism down your throat". It's just a very fun movie with a strong female lead. It doesn't surprise me these people get so defensive about it, but damn if it isn't one of the stupidest thing to do.
 

krazen

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Oct 27, 2017
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I love how the "Eww, girls!" attittude from Kindergarden is now a strong socio-political movement.

Just waiting for the nukes to hit and another species to take over