Sanders was basically known in New England and nowhere outside of that.
That said, name recognition was not the primary reason he lost.
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Chelsea Manning files to run for U.S. Senate in Maryland
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Sanders was basically known in New England and nowhere outside of that.
That said, name recognition was not the primary reason he lost.
Source?
She went after Sanders since day 1, Bernie was the one defending her bullshit email investigation.
I dislike Bernie Sanders pretty heavily
You still sound completely bonkers here
What do you mean? Nobody knew of this dude named Bernie who has been a US Senator for years and has been a proudly confessed socialist and independent. Dude is a newbie who just became known like two years ago dude. #wegotthis
Again, HORSESHOE THEORY is a ridiculous term because it implies that politics is on a one dimensional spectrum that wraps around like a horseshoe.
I simply am saying that a certain section of the Bernie fanbase may be economically left but are not on the socially progressive end of the social axis.
Seriously is that so difficult for you to understand?
You and others are the ones using leftist as a slur. Do you really think that won't provoke some kind of response?
You really don't care to educate yourself before frothing at the mouth, huh?
I'm still going through the last few posts, but let me make something clear:
Everyone, drop this 2016 Primary re-litigation right now.
And while we're at it, let us also drop personal insults and petty generalizations about entire groups.
Everyone, drop this 2016 Primary re-litigation right now.
And while we're at it, let us also drop personal insults and petty generalizations about entire groups.
It sure is. I can't even tell if you're agreeing with me at this point. Also, we're suddenly talking about Saddam's WMDs now?
I'm curious where you live. I'm in Northern Canada and even in the most conservative province 'the Left' is the majority, and 'cons' treated like an embarrassment.
Call me when she condemns the alt right and Wikileaks. #wegothis
You really think Bernie Sanders was some sort of widely known national figure? He was an interesting footnote, an old dinosaur relic of an older time who people might maybe remember as "Oh yeah, theres one guy in the Senate who has an I instead of a D or R next to his name on CSPAN."
I'm not even defending the concept of him losing because of name recognition.
Edit: was still typing when the warnings went up
WOOOOOW that choice of words. Wanna rethink that one buddy before bringing degeneracy into the mix ?
First off, let's not forget that a lot of socialists and harder leftists in general today are trans/LGBT activists who feel abandonned both by the system and by mainstream liberal who either see them as useful fuel for the elections or at worst, a slight embarassement. Let's not forget the number of time democrats won almost only through POC votes, only to be thoroughly thanked and subsequently ignored. It took doug fucking jones winning in alabama and a LOT of noise from black communities to get a black chief of staff, the ONLY black chief of staff. The ONLY member of the democrat caucus to have a black chief of staff.
The reason a lot of socialists and leftists don't like centrists is that they're really good at paying lip service but then get really frisky when it gets about talk for unions ("Oh i'm all for unions, just not this one"), actual healthcare (or "promising ponies"), an actual stop and condemnation of police brutality and a stop to the rampant aggressive capitalist system that has bloated america and is influencing education, poverty, ecology and such.
Not that I support Manning (I don't, I find she lacks policies and I don't like her style as a candidate), but I can fully understand why people would love a "fuck the police" approach when said institution seem beyond repercussion and is more or less populated more than half by criminals at this point
It's literally not the same thing. Fairbanks said Chelsea "crashed the party" ie she showed up uninvited. She could "crash the party" just to hang out. Protesters would "crash the party" (show up uninvited) in order to disrupt it. Fairbanks didn't say anything about what Chelsea was doing after she showed up. A lot of these shitheads are big fans of wikileaks so maybe she's just there to hang with people who appreciate what she did. We just don't know.
Search through Days of Rage on twitter. It's a protest going on right now and Cernovich's event is one of the places that's been targeted.
Call me when you care about basic facts regarding what's happened rather than frothing at the mouth.
Your provide a great example of exactly what I was talking about.
The fact that the left rejects even the possibility that the people in the middle might actually have reasons for what they believe that are legitimate (though often incorrect admittedly) is what puts so many of them off. You are practically telling them that they should just go full alt-right because you consider them pathetic trash with no value and are driving away people that are NECESSARY in order to win and govern.
...and yes, it is degenerate. The left LOVES destroying itself for no particular reason or actual advantage.
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Sooooo that's a 'No she hasn't condemned the Alt Right, Wikileaks, or Julian Assange' but she is deserves our understanding because she went through shit' response. Ok. #wegothis.
Sums up my view nicely on the matter. Especially considering the assumptions at play by so many of these people and their initial hostility to leftists in the first place. You people ever stop to think there's a reason that leftists/minorities have issue with centrist Democrats? It's because you pull shit like this then act the victim and then go on a tirade insulting them in the process.
If you want to delude yourself that that's what I said and ignore what I actually said, that's on you.
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In fairness, the poor treatment might be limited to members of the left who throw around words like "microaggression" in ways that demonstrate they know nothing about social justice and aren't interested in learning
In fairness, I've seen it used multiple ways.
And do care about social matters as its literally life and death for me. But good job joining the assumption band-wagon. I'm not surprised, all things considered.
You're literally one of the ones who stroked that fire in the first place.
like i said, it's exactly what this Manning run was intended to do but people still don't realize it.
Attempting to assert this yourself is also "getting at each other's throats". Do you not think it would be better for you, if you truly believed this, to not engage at all? Or do you wish to drive combat by making bold assertions?
Yeah sorry i'm not gonna go for someone who uses a word that a lot of alt right users loves by definition.
Also, no, I fully understand intersectionality's importance and there's a lot of center-left that find common ground. Funny thing is that I didn't even trash that much (basically the harshes i was was condeming people of doing lip service) but explained from the POV of people who experience this kind of stuff every single day/week/month and the first thing you do is "Well might as go with the alt-right if you guys are going to annoy us with pesky demands of social and class justice". That tells me more about the person who cares more about not being too bothered than actually engaging with such problems.
This discussion has been going on for a long time and every time it has been the same. And with growing inequalities in wealth between the younger and older generations, the "meet in the middle" type of conversation (especially when in america, the "middle" is always right-to-center due to mainstream goverining liberals constantly getting blindsided), the more leftist corners might actually want to be listened to for a change instead of being considered as fringe weirdos with outlandish ideas like better worker rights and a fairer redistribution of the wealth that isn't symbolic
Oh? Please do point out where I was hostile before your sweeping, stupid generalizations.
They do. Can you even read mine? Serious question.
This isn't about "learning" about social matters for me. I'm in the fucking thick of it. But thanks,. I appreciate being basically told by 3 people now that I'm not actually a minority/am not an advocate for social justice when I am.
You literally joined in with sweeping leftists around.
As I mentioned earlier, this gaslighting is off the charts.
I'm gonna give Chelsea the benefit of the doubt and wait until we know what the hell is going on right now. Because as of right now, I have no idea why a transwoman that's been a unrepetant critic of American imperialism and the alt-right would want anything to do with each other.
This is where I joined:
Who's gaslighting again?
Not at all surprised at Manning's actions. There is no electoral gain for doing this.
She is so the next Tim Canova
She is so the next Tim Canova
for real, and people just assuming folks are moderates just because there is disagreement. like lol who in here has mentioned being a moderate
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