Chelsea Manning files to run for U.S. Senate in Maryland
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I'm looking more and more at her stances. Manning seems legit wanting to changing things, voting rights, police brutality, etc.
It's also been what ten? twelve years? since here indiscretions. How long was assange, snowden and manning doing their thing? There's a reason what she exposed was treated so harshly. A low level person doesnt know the ultimate goal of an operation.
As of right now, Manning is a traitor for releasing what she did, and knowingly doing so. She did not have a clearance level to know the details of those things.
Mannings own words the cables were "interesting" bereft of all context.
Someone earlier mentioned skating uphill on ice skate. That's this. If Manning can do good. Go for it.
It's also been what ten? twelve years? since here indiscretions. How long was assange, snowden and manning doing their thing? There's a reason what she exposed was treated so harshly. A low level person doesnt know the ultimate goal of an operation.
As of right now, Manning is a traitor for releasing what she did, and knowingly doing so. She did not have a clearance level to know the details of those things.
Mannings own words the cables were "interesting" bereft of all context.
Someone earlier mentioned skating uphill on ice skate. That's this. If Manning can do good. Go for it.
Dumb as hell for more than one reason (even if this was a good idea on its own, which is debatable, she's not going to get an ounce of traction in a state where the Dem base is composed of a lot of government workers).
But yes, if she wants to get anywhere, she needs to take this chance to denounce wikileaks and what they have become in the strongest possible terms.
But yes, if she wants to get anywhere, she needs to take this chance to denounce wikileaks and what they have become in the strongest possible terms.
anyone who goes against the established democratic party norms is very quickly labeled as a russian plot or a foreigner.
The progressive movement is not a Russian conspiracy. I'm serious astounded your post is real.
Yet all she does for the most part on twitter is accuse every democrat who exists ever of not being progressive enough while saying next to nothing about republicans running for election.
No more like in this topic you deliberately LIE considering that I said I WELCOME to her running in the primary SO LONG AS SHE DOESN'T DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM SUPPORTING THE PRIMARY WINNER in the main election and/or run third party in the main election.
But then again I'm still waiting for you to address why Manning has NOT denounced someone who has:
- Belittled the concept of male privilege
- Alluded to the "Great Replacement" (aka White Genocide) theory
- Offered James Damore a job
- Downplayed/Defended Milo Yianopolis's pro-pedophilia comments as just "teen sex quote"
- Clearly knowingly helped Trump
- Had the Wikileaks account post a very blatantly antisemitic tweet
- Knowingly fed the pizza gate conspiracy nonsense
Do you disagree that Russia-linked elements have helped to build up the movement and agitate it?
The primary system exists to select the best candidate. Unchallenged primaries are less democratic by nature.
It still seems like a big ol waste of money. She can't be expecting to win. I'm curious why she's bothering.
I emphatically disagree. Provide proof of your conspiracy.
Chelsea Manning doesn't really seem like she has any area of progressive expertise beyond "i went to jail for stealing a bunch of state documents and giving them to a foreign intelligence organization"
I'm pretty sure the progressive MOVEMENT isn't a Russian conspiracy, but considering that Chelsea Manning is notable ONLY for leaking TO the Russians, I'd say she's more than suspect.
Most aspects are not, but there are definitely more toxic fake progressive movements. Like the kind that try to religiously claim Tulsi Gabbard is somehow more progressive than most Democrats. The kind that involve people like HA Goodman, Jimmy Dore, Michael Tracey, Jordan Chariton, Tim Black, Glenn Greenwald, etc.
So why do some of these people claim that Tulsi Gabbard is more progressive than most Democrats when she has an extremely conservative voting record in congress for a Democrat, particularly one representing a D+22 district.
I know you have been directing hostile posts at me since I simply asked for proof that she supported Assange, but can we keep it civil and not call each other liars, please?
You said you don't believe she is running in good faith, and have been implying that she is a secret Assange Ally.
Wasn't this post to insinuate there is an ulterior motive you have yet to prove? Beyond saying she (rightly) attacks democrats in twitter?
Is it a conspiracy that Stein was at a Russian state dinner with IMPERIALIST WARMONGER Michael Flynn? That RT and Sputnik are vehicles of leftist agitprop? That 'writers' working for Counterpunch were actually fake propagandists? That leftist hashtags are often amplified through a Russian bot network? (And these are just the first few instances I can think of.)
Oh but I guess it's not a Russian conspiracy since Glenn Greenwald is literally not Russian. Checkmate neolibs!
And I told you that the whole point is that she literally has ZERO posts about Assange in spite literally having worked with him. Considering how many democrats she is constantly denouncing on twitter, her LACK OF DENOUNCEMENT of Julian Assange can only be interpreted to imply an endorsement of him in the same way that Wikileaks was clearly endorsing Trump in 2016.
Seriously we went over this like 3 times and you keep refusing to address that she is perfectly willing to denounce all sorts of democrats but somehow Julian Assange is not worth denouncing for her.
If it's right for her to denounce Democrats, then why is it right for her to NOT denounce Julian Assange?
Certain Bernie supporters propped up Tulsi Gabbard. I don't understand what that has to do with Russia.
Anything that goes against what Democrats consider acceptable is a Russian conspiracy now
Which progressive voices advocated for Jill Stein. She's a kook and been active long before 2016.
She's barely lived in MD long enough to get a crab cake and is just chilling in a fancy Bethesda apartment. No way she actually feels like she can be a good rep of the state. And if she does, she's a sociopath.
Why did these people (who I am not saying are ALL of the bernie fanbase but a significant chunk) claim to hate the democrats for not being progressive enough while also propping up a politician who:
- has a history of Islamophobia
- has a much more conservative voting record than most democrats
- Supports Bashar Al-Assad's Genocide of his own people
- Has a history of homophobia
- Failed to condemn the appointment of Steve Bannon as a White House advisor (there were numerous congressional democrats who signed a letter condemning such an appointment and Tulsi was NOT one of them)
- Recently responded to a question of if Trump is racist by saying "I'm not interested in 'name calling'"
Like what the fuck am I supposed to think of the kind of people who suggest that this socially regressive piece of shit is more progressive than someone like Cory Booker?
Or, and I know this sounds crazy, the people of Maryland might actually be happy with the representation that Ben Cardin has been providing. Crazy, I know, but as a Marylander, I will stick with Ben.
I already told you why I think she wouldnkt want to even look at that can of worms.
Saying collusion is the only rational reason for her silence is dishonest, considering the whirlwind that is her history with Wikileaks I can't blame her for avoiding the topic: to avoid a whole retrial in the media, when there are more important things to adress.
Like I said, occams razor is handy here, when weighing why she would avoid the topic.
How brave of you to dismiss her without even looking at her platform, this is how a healthy democracy is supposed to work, I think.
People are being extremely unreasonable at this point. Supporting Cardin is somehow Toxic patriotism? Get out of here with that bullshit. Cardin is a top tier Liberal Democrat who consistently votes progressive policies forward.
If Manning wants to do some good how about work on unseating Andrew Harris who is Republican and in the House. Manning could then develop the credentials to eventually be a legitimate political power. Harris supported Roy Moore included endorsing him. He was in favor of Government shutdown and even voted against ending the shutdown. He opposed legislation honor Marylou Angelo branding her a commie who deserved no honors. That's the kind of person to unseat
If Manning wants to do some good how about work on unseating Andrew Harris who is Republican and in the House. Manning could then develop the credentials to eventually be a legitimate political power. Harris supported Roy Moore included endorsing him. He was in favor of Government shutdown and even voted against ending the shutdown. He opposed legislation honor Marylou Angelo branding her a commie who deserved no honors. That's the kind of person to unseat
its probably 90% the same as Ben Cardin's, minus the...you know....treason
No, her actual crimes are the ones "of the highest order." I know it's shocking that some of us don't want to elect a criminal to the Senate.
And I already responded by saying that your explanation is NOT sufficient because normally when she apparently feels betrayed (according to the way she tweets about Democrats), she prefers to denounce those that betray her explicitly on Twitter.
Yet somehow she does NOT denounce Assange on Twitter. WHY?????
Bullshit. She has NO FUCKING PROBLEM talking about all sorts of stuff regarding her disdain for the CIA.
Try again.
She's the one who leaked that stuff to wikileaks and practically legitimized them, right?
Nah, I'm good.
Nah, I'm good.
Nah, I don't think you are discussing in good faith here, I have nothing else to add to my post.
Oh no people found out about sleazy undemocratic backdoor deals at the highest levels of diplomacy, how did the US ever recoup from that terrible blow?
If they(and you) make that choice thats perfectly fine. The main issue in this thread is people ridiculing Chelsea for running at all.
No I explained very sufficiently why your explanations don't work.
But I think it's very revealing that you only used the word "rightly" when describing denouncing Democrats and not the hypothetical of denouncing an alt-right scumbag like Julian Assange.
Because to you it's more important to oppose Democrats than to actually oppose an alt-right scumbag like Julian Assange.
No, I believe no one is above criticism.
And sticking to wanting her to denounce Assange is ridiculous, go read her Twitter account and see if she is pure enough for you.
The purity tests strike again
I don't consider what Manning did a crime because of her intentions and the nature of what she leaked. This is only a few steps away from saying Hillary shouldn't be allowed to run because EMAILS and FBI.
I don't consider what Manning did a crime because of her intentions and the nature of what she leaked. This is only a few steps away from saying Hillary shouldn't be allowed to run because EMAILS and FBI.
Whats patriotically toxic about Cardin again? What could she do better then him? Would her inability to get security clearance for anything make her a good Senator? Would being brand new to the state she wants to represent make her a good voice for Maryland? She doesn't have to be "Pure" but she is a shit candidate going after a already progressive Senator and thats fucking stupid and worthy of mockery
Shouldn't democracy be dynamic, and power challenged? What is the danger here? Other than wasting Manning's time? (because honestly of course she won't win)
considering she actually leaked shit to Russians, and is targeting what appears to be a popular Democratic progressive senator? After living in the state for all of 5 minutes?
:thinking:
Out of curiosity, did you think Wikileaks was a russian front in 2009?
It's not about a purity test. We are talking about someone who Manning DIRECTLY WORKED WITH. Kinda a big fucking deal to know that Manning is willing to condemn alt-right scumbags even if they are alt-right scumbags who she previously worked with.
Oh I'm sorry did that make too much sense to you?
Well since we NOW know that Wikileaks is clearly a Russian Front propping up the alt-right (a political group that hates Trans people like Chelsea Manning), I assume Manning would want to denounce Wikileaks/Assange more recently, right?
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