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Another reason they can't just can The Flash is that likely 3-5+ movies hinge on this movie existing.
That seems like the way to go then, no? They haven't spent much on marketing yet, so they could recoup whatever they spent on the movie ($200m?) without crippling themselves financially or destroying their reputation.
Unless Ezra shoots someone with the firearms they've been carrying around, this movie is coming out in theaters. The movie is still OVER A YEAR away from releasing in theaters, that is a lot of time for a lot of shit to go on in the world.. and frankly with the way news gets burned through with the 24/7/365 newscyle, this will be a distant memory to most by the middle of July. Warner Bros will announce Ezra is no longer involved prior to the film releasing and Ezra won't be on the press tour.
anything can happen in a year. I think WB will just stay silent on this until the usual marketing cycle is supposed to start for it
like maybe ezra just goes to jail and everyone is okay with that? its only a big deal right now because ezra's out and about without any consequences
like maybe ezra just goes to jail and everyone is okay with that? its only a big deal right now because ezra's out and about without any consequences
I think the fact Ezra is not that famous (aside from this) is probably why WB thinks they still have a chance. Just gotta ban them from interviews and market the film as Flashpoint starring the Batmen and Supergirl…oh and Flash is here too 😅
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That seems like the responsible and reasonable thing to do, sure. Completely in line with what the crisis management people that were quoted on the OP too. /s
I mean, worst comes to worst you commission an animated short depicting the key events and put it on HBO Max and/or play it before one of the other movies. Compared to the money issue it's far from insurmountable. Konami never made a game depicting the Battle of 1999 and Capcom never bridged Mega Man and MMX.
There have to be some shot -> reverse shot sequences with Batman 89 and Supergirl in there that can be salvaged for another movie. Ezra can't be in every single shot of the movie no matter what Variety says.
That's their best option. Salvage whatever they can from this and bolt it onto something else.
That's their best option. Salvage whatever they can from this and bolt it onto something else.
YouTube deepfakers do have the advantage of being able to pick and choose. A deepfaker can watch an entire movie/show and find the one scene that is most amenable to being touched up. They have options and only need to manage 3 minutes of deepfakery to go viral.
WB is in the position of needing to do an entire movie. Every single scene. Any scenes that can't be done would just have to be cut from the movie. A movie that, presumably is going to have The Flash's shown in a thousand different ways. Different lighting, different angles. Close-ups, far away shots, group shots. Shots where the Flash's face is half obscured by the helmet, shots where the Flash's face is hurt and has visible injury. It doesn't take much to fuck up a facial mapping program. Little things like that make it a lot harder to do a straightforward deepfake like people are able to pull off on YouTube.
Now, granting all that, I do sort of think WB should either do it anyway, or shelve the movie. If it's literally impossible, shelve the movie. If it's possible but expensive, pony up and do the CGI. Insiders seem to believe it's the former, and it just can't be done.
Blur their faces, too.
Also, whenever Mera appears Barry is also shaking her for some reason.
You realize Discovery and Zaslav have only been in charge of this for two months? During that time the WarnerMedia CEO and WB film head are now gone.
It absolutely fucking did hurt Jackson's career. It's hard to remember now because of our culture's bullshit "never speak ill of the dead" mentality, but between the early 90s when the first allegations came out, up until his death, Jackson was seen as at best a has-been and at worst the punchline to a pedophile joke. His last album before his death bombed, and only his cult like fans still openly supported him.
There's the strong possibility that Miller escalates between now and release. Then WB is in an even worse position.
Also this will keep being brought up as the marketing builds up, possibly reaching a larger and larger audience that could get turned off from the film.
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Sadly, welcome to the real world. I know you want the scorched Earth approach, but there are a large number of people in this country that don't give a fuck about an attempted coup that happened just 18 months ago. You think the general public is going to give a fuck about some no name actor a year from now if inflation continues be an issue? Hell no.
Should Warner Bros have put out a statement immediately stating Ezra is no longer the Flash? Yes. Should Warner Bros fork over the money to rework the film and shoot new scenes with a new actor? Yes. Is Warner Bros going to do any of those things unless absolutely forced? Probably not.
It's quite an interesting situation.
WB could possibly wait it out, maybe delay the film further, but this whole thing has been escalating, so more shit could pop up.
WB could possibly wait it out, maybe delay the film further, but this whole thing has been escalating, so more shit could pop up.
People saying nothing will happen, is there any example beyond Kevin Spacey and Ridley Scott changed that, albeit, not on the same scale. I can't think of any off the top of my head, not saying past reputation, lots of actors are shady bad people but an active timing like this?
Mostly I wonder what is going to happen to Miller in the longterm. They're just gonna keep hiding out I guess? How long can they do that, realistically? Are they just done with Hollywood?
EDIT: Looks like they have a court date for July 12th so I guess they have to appear by then.
EDIT: Looks like they have a court date for July 12th so I guess they have to appear by then.
It'll get cancelled, just expect to hear about it in a few weeks rather than right after the event. $200m decisions aren't made in just under a week. They need to check with lawyers as to what they can say about the situation and whether they have cause to drop the contract with Ezra, they'll be checking with PR firms, marketing divisions etc etc. They'll see that reshooting the Flash with an actor people like will result in more than $200m of gains compared to releasing the movie with someone who's being called a kidnapper and a child groomer. You only have to look at Aquaman, and to a lesser extent Venom, to see that getting the right lead can make mad bank.
I'm wondering if Miller is gonna pull a Nick Stahl and legit end up homeless and destitute for several months...
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Prison. And yes, they are done in Hollywood, hopefully no one gets hurt before they are put into custody, mostly their victims that might unfortunately be working as their cohorts at this point. The whole thing reeks like the whole sex traffic ring that Smallville's Allison Mack was involved, the leader of that thing will rot in prison. Hopefully Miller can be stopped before anyone is killed.
And was actively trying to groom a 12-year-old with horses since last February:
The Daily Beast: 12-Year-Old (they/them) Granted Order of Protection Against Ezra Miller (they/them) News
As usual, Ezra Miller and the victim involved use They/Them pronouns please respectfully use those pronouns when talking about them. https://www.thedailybeast.com/12-year-old-granted-order-of-protection-against-ezra-miller?via=twitter_page Fuck Ezra Miller, fuck Warner Bros. Discovery and...
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I think this is a key point, things could go badly if WB actually do axe Ezra, the film etc. and that sets Ezra further off before the girl is safe and Ezra taken in by the authorties. The latter needs to happen before WB annouce what they are going to do. Maybe in the background they have some options planned like refilming some parts, new actor, CGI wizardry or scrapping it, we just don't know.
I agree with you, yeah, on most counts. Even on the right thing to do here. Except I don't think they'll do that. I think they're going to bet that it's better for them financially to release the movie. Even if the movie bombs from bad press they'd still minimize their loses with whatever ticket sales they do get. Maybe they'll delay it until Ezra is jailed or whatever, but there's no way they're going to bin the movie and lose 200m (which is what recasting and reshooting would amount to).
Yes, this is another point some seem to forget. There is an element of public safety involved in this whole situation. Publicly firing someone who is running around waiving handguns at people doesn't seem like the smartest thing to do right now. Let them be detained, questioned, etc. before doing something that could further escalate the situation.
Not technically missing. There are reports on their current whereabouts. The "missing" part comes from the court not being able to serve the orders.
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This is an unprecedented situation for a blockbuster of this type. I'd argue that "managing costs" with something so damning would be a disaster to Warner Bros. Discovery even worse than reshooting the whole thing from scratch, what regardless of what they claim in the leaks, I doubt it would be necessary.
I think what people aren't seeing is that just going ahead with this would be a PR disaster that would likely turn WB into a studio pariah, and Zaslav might be cheap, but I don't think he is cheap and dumb. Rework what it can be salvaged, take the loss and save their reputation that it's already not that great it's the only option they have to save face, which is more important than this film's loss at this point.
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And here we go again, this time an NBC Reporter talking with the 12-year-old non-binary kid's parent that Ezra Miller was trying to groom by offering them horses to ride at their sex cult ring farm disguised as pseudo-progressive witchcraft coven at their Vermont farm, beyond new information about Gibson's / Tokata's grooming by their parents and other witnesses:
Ezra is disgusting. Zero chance I will see this Flash movie. Bury it.
I was thinking of this earlier. But yeah wtf. Didn't Ray just rightfully call out staff/director for some bullshit that deserved it? But Ezra has the entire studio on safety? Shit is fucked up.
Yeah you are right. And I'm sure Ezra will have their own supporters.
They're in a real tough spot. Reshooting Barry's scenes would cost a ton. I imagine they'd rather not spend more money and just have the Flash release and then recast for the future but the optics will be poor for having Miller as your lead in a tentpole film.
WB should have made the hard decisions earlier. Discovery and Zaslav took this over two months ago. Since then, the WarnerMedia CEO is gone, and so is the WB film chief, and they've delayed the movie release.
I doubt they'll shelve an essentially completed very expensive movie, and apparently reshooting with another actor is not a practical option. So they'll presumably cut Ezra from future projects, cut them from film marketing barring major changes and a big apology tour, and decide later this year whether to spend a lot on marketing like any typical superhero movie, or spend nothing and just quietly dump it to HBO Max.
WBD could put out a PR about this today, but let's be honest, short of shelving the movie now and taking a $100M+ write-off, that's just empty talk and those wanting the film canceled would say it's not enough anyway. And if does end up quietly dumped to HBO Max, the people who demand it be shelved today will always have the option of never watching it.
I doubt they'll shelve an essentially completed very expensive movie, and apparently reshooting with another actor is not a practical option. So they'll presumably cut Ezra from future projects, cut them from film marketing barring major changes and a big apology tour, and decide later this year whether to spend a lot on marketing like any typical superhero movie, or spend nothing and just quietly dump it to HBO Max.
WBD could put out a PR about this today, but let's be honest, short of shelving the movie now and taking a $100M+ write-off, that's just empty talk and those wanting the film canceled would say it's not enough anyway. And if does end up quietly dumped to HBO Max, the people who demand it be shelved today will always have the option of never watching it.
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This is some apologist non sense for a major big studio like Warner Bros. Discovery. I don't think what people are demanding on social media is unreasonable at all: take the loss and recast Ezra Miller. Done. Short and simple. Writing us an essay to tell us how poor Warner Bros. has nothing they can do but still enabling a child abuser is rich, to say the least.
I don't think that person is being an apologist?
Reads to me like they're simply summarising what WB might be thinking.
Talking about their options is "apologist nonsense"? OK.
On the subject of nonsense, it has been posted repeatedly in this topic that reshooting with another actor is not only not possible, but it's also far far far from the "short and simple" solution you claim.
Here it is again, for the umpteenth time:
"With "The Flash," insiders say it would not be possible to replace Miller without reshooting the entire movie. They are in just about every scene, and there is not enough digital technology in existence to configure that magic without going back to square one. And redoing the entire film is not a realistic proposition for any movie — much less one that wrapped production months ago and already cost hundreds of millions."
I wonder how big a deal this is with the general public. Before this news, I couldn't tell you that they were the flash despite seeing both versions of justice league. Kevin Spacey had a 20+ year star career when all his allegations came out and he was replaced. It wouldn't surprise me if 80% of the public doesn't care. Maybe they'll spin it as a mental health (using past erratic behavior to excuse some of the more specific allegations) issue that's being worked on.
Of course this depends on how they end this situation. If it ended today, WB will just market the movie with everyone else and try to get some return.
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That seems quite apologetic and implying that poor WB has no choice and that people will never get satisfied, when that's clearly not true. I've been following this closely only since it blew up, and what most people seem to keep asking online other than half of dozen of 24-7 Ezra fan accounts oddly created once the Hawaii rampage started that attack and harass the families and people accusing them on both Instagram and Twitter.
I don't think anyone would be mad at WB for doing the right thing, and what is implied to me on their first post is clear to me, just like their follow-up. If WB came out today saying that Ezra Miller is out of the Flash film and they are recasting the character for reshoots, I think the worst they would get is why it took them so long. Implying that they have no option but "barrel through" with a child abuser as their lead doesn't exactly seems like the best course of option to me, both morally and yes, even when it comes to business. You just don't keep supporting someone like them.
I just wanted to point out that a year IS a long time. However, Ezra's odd and dangerous behavior has been getting worse and faster. Who knows what the hell they will have done a year from now, how many arrests, how many children we will have found to have been groomed by them.
I get your sentiment and honestly you would probably be right if Ezra just moved to an island somewhere and became a hermit, but, that does not seem to line up with their behavior at all. They seem to be actively seeking out the bad attention at this point.