Did you like the part where Leia floated through space like the Silver Surfer? Apparently being force sensitive means you can survive the vacuum of space.
Doesnt Klo Poon do exactly that in clone wars during the malevolence arc.
Did you like the part where Leia floated through space like the Silver Surfer? Apparently being force sensitive means you can survive the vacuum of space.
Did you like the part where Leia floated through space like the Silver Surfer? Apparently being force sensitive means you can survive the vacuum of space.
I mean yea, they're two different people from two completely different walks of hollywood so they inherently had different ideas about the sequel. HOWEVER, JJ's thoughts about where to go after TFA is exactly the issue, nothing about that should've ever been relevant. It should've been aboiut where to go after TLJ and ONLY TLJ. And honestly, it's quite telling that JJ and Chris didn't work as closely with the LF story group as RIan reportedly did. And ofc there are other factors outside of their control that affected the film too, namely, Carrie Fisher's death and the shorter production cycle as a result of the release date.
Again, this has no bearing on whether or not the majority of people liked the film. And yes, being force sensitive does indeed mean that you can survive the vacuum of space, Leia wasn't the first time.
SW is not a documentary.
The slight freezing is a good touch yea.Ironically, those scene of characters being in space are fairly scientifically accurate.
You said creative decisions in TLJ were only hated by a minority. Where are your receipts to back that up?You're changing the topic to discuss your personal opinion on specific scenes in the movies.
That wasn't the topic you originally brought up and it's not what I replied to.
Your opinion on that scene is unrelated to what you originally said.
I'm allowed to blame her for allowing the trilogy to go into production without a solid plan. What a clusterfuck.You're allowed to blame JJ and Chris Terrio for not sticking the landing and doing their own thing with a revision of a script from the former director. TFA--TLJ WAS cohesive. TROS was and is the only film with major issues with coherence and themes.
I really think it's the chemistry between her and Iger. Feige doesn't seem to be pushed to hit dates like Kennedy is and in general seems like he's allowed to do what he wants whereas there are stories of Iger not liking the creative of TROS and not budging on dates. If he was just a little bit more flexible, JJ would've done the whole trilogy
If you're ignorant about film history or filmmaking in general then sure yea blame her for not hampering the creatives into a set plot that can't be deviated from because that never has any consequences for storytelling and ofc most writers in hollywood say that planning is the most important aspect of writing and nothing else.I'm allowed to blame her for allowing the trilogy to go into production without a solid plan
The critical acclaim.You said creative decisions in TLJ were only hated by a minority. Where are your receipts to back that up?
You said creative decisions in TLJ were only hated by a minority.
I said it was a competent film with some questionable creative decisions that were reviled by fans. None of what you posted refutes that.If you're ignorant about film history or filmmaking in general then sure yea blame her for not hampering the creatives into a set plot that can't be deviated from because that never has any consequences for storytelling and ofc most writers in hollywood say that planning is the most important aspect of writing and nothing else.
The critical acclaim.
The audience acclaim.
The box office
The amount of awards noms and wins.
The bluray sales which came quite a long time after the film's release.
By every verifiable metric we can conclude that the film was a massive success that resonated with the majority of people who watched it.
Except I didn't make that argument. Where did I say majority of fans hated TLJ?The critical and financial success, along with the original CinemaScore. If you're going to try and argue that the majority of people hated TLJ, it's going to be hard to take any argument you have seriously.
By a minority of fans, a very very loud minority. Hell, most of the reaction to TROS is fueled specifically because it ignores the messages of the last jedi. Especially the most powerful message of all.said it was a competent film with some questionable creative decisions that were reviled by fans. None of what you posted refutes that.
"It is unclear why scripts became an issue so late in the process. One source said the Kenobi story treaded similar ground as Mandalorian, seeing the Jedi master lending a protective hand to a young Luke and perhaps even a young Leia, perhaps mirroring how the Mandalorian took Baby Yoda under his protective custody."
Yikes
Lol asking the creatives to create a well thought out plan isn't hampering shit. But go ahead and make excuses for piss poor management.If you're ignorant about film history or filmmaking in general then sure yea blame her for not hampering the creatives into a set plot that can't be deviated from because that never has any consequences for storytelling and ofc most writers in hollywood say that planning is the most important aspect of writing and nothing else.
The critical acclaim.
The audience acclaim.
The box office
The amount of awards noms and wins.
The bluray sales which came quite a long time after the film's release.
By every verifiable metric we can conclude that the film was a massive success that resonated with the majority of people who watched it.
No lies detected.Marvel Studios: We have 15 different TV shows in development and every one of them will likely make it to screen without significant issues
Lucasfilm: We had to sacrifice a cow in a Satanic ritual to ensure we could release the Mandalorian without accidentally nuking downtown Los Angeles
Yes it is. You're literally proposing for them to do something that rarely happens in storytelling for very very valid reasons.Lol asking the creatives to create a well thought out plan isn't hampering shit.
Except I didn't make that argument. Where did I say majority of fans hated TLJ?
TLJ was competent but had a truck load of creative decisions which were reviled by fans.
Marvel Studios: We have 15 different TV shows in development and every one of them will likely make it to screen without significant issues
Lucasfilm: We had to sacrifice a cow in a Satanic ritual to ensure we could release the Mandalorian without accidentally nuking downtown Los Angeles
LF is reeling because TLJ didn't meet BO expectations and they've been desperate to stop the bleeding ever since. Solo compounded that fear significantly further. The Mandalorian was fine because it had a bunch of all-stars working on it. KK panicked and turned to JJ hoping he'd bring some magic to IX despite a rushed production but it didn't work--still, they managed to avoid disaster with what looks to be 1.1 billion minimum which is good enough to shrug and move on.
Star Wars will settle in but they need a moment to reset expectations and figure things out.
Citation needed
It's like vacationing in Florida!I like how Tatooine has gone from the armpit of the galaxy that one can hide and escape to the Bright Center of the Universe where everything happens and everyone famous and important is from/visits at least once.
Yeah no doubt, Ewan was a worthy successor but Guinness is the reason why Obi-Wan is a revered character at all. All of his lines in the OT are fantastic.Listen, I love Ewan in the role, but nobody except Alex Guinness could maintain such consummate professionalism as an actor in the face of their overwhelming disdain for the material.
LF is reeling because TLJ didn't meet BO expectations and they've been desperate to stop the bleeding ever since.
Star Wars: The Last Jedi grossed $620.2 million in the United States and Canada, and $712.6 million in other territories, for a worldwide total of $1.333 billion.[4] It had a worldwide opening of $450.8 million, the seventh-biggest of all time, including $40.6 million that was attributed to IMAX screenings, the second biggest for IMAX.[102][103] It was estimated that the film would need to gross $800 million worldwide to break even;[104] Deadline Hollywood calculated the net profit of the film to be $417.5 million, when factoring together all expenses and revenues, making it the most profitable release of 2017.[2]
Ironically, those scene of characters being in space are fairly scientifically accurate.
Almost all major SW projects need to go through re-hire/re-work/re-shoot process nowadays....this is very very bad
Yes it is. You're literally proposing for them to do something that rarely happens in storytelling for very very valid reasons.
Storytelling is at it's best when it's organic and things that weren't even originally intended by the creators start to happen because it's best for the story.
Otherwise you may arrive at a conclusion that feels a lot less satisfying because it was so set in stone and written before the rest of the story. Stories often evolve as the continue, with the tone and original ideas shifting to again, accommodate what's best for the story, Like do you think they started CW with the idea that Ahsoka would not only survive the events but also the events of the OT itself? No, ofc not, but that's where her story ended up going.
It just occurred to me that this obsession with the idea of a "solid plan" comes from theory culture, which always sets out to figure out the story before we get it. All of the theories for what the story would be post TFA were rote and derivative. People thought they figured it out. TLJ came out and actually gave us an interesting narrative with something to say. People then felt that there was deviation from a "plan." I.e. Their boring ass fan fiction
🙄Shit, somebody tell Kevin Feige he's been doing it wrong this whole time.
It's fucking astonishing that this is how people think Marvel movies are made.
Marvel movies are as messy as anything else. By "careful planning", they have a scheduled release date and Feige is making sure they have contracts ironed out for the availability of any appearing/recurring characters. Maybe a villain is known in advance. But James Gunn isn't making Guardians 1 knowing what they're doing with Thanos 4 years later. Hell, for being the long-tail villain, Thanos is a non-entity until Infinity War. If these movies were so well planned, you'd think they would have done something to set him up better. No one when making Winter Soldier is thlnking "man, I can't wait for Spider-Man in the next Cap movie!"
The writers behind Infinity War had to be told from Taika Watiti and Hemsworth "oh, Thor is funny now." There was no "plan" for that. The producer on Black Panther had to tell them "oh, Shuri is gonna be big, make sure you include her." This isn't careful planning, it's a bunch of people working out of the same offices and with the same bosses just openly communicating and sharing resources because the movies necessitate it.
Other than obvious planting of seeds like Bucky being introduced to become Winter Soldier, they're making this shit up as they go along like anyone else. Hell, the Russos were apparently the ones who told Feige that Cap 3 should be Civil War because BvS had just been announced, and they had to up their game. But that doesn't mean anyone is knowingly planting seeds for a time-travel movie years in advance.
He's doing something right. The MCU has maintained narrative and tonal consistency over 20+ films while Star Wars can't make it past two.
"It is unclear why scripts became an issue so late in the process. One source said the Kenobi story treaded similar ground as Mandalorian, seeing the Jedi master lending a protective hand to a young Luke and perhaps even a young Leia, perhaps mirroring how the Mandalorian took Baby Yoda under his protective custody."
Yikes
Yeah anyone that claims they're comparably managed are out of their minds.He's doing something right. The MCU has maintained narrative and tonal consistency over 20+ films while Star Wars can't make it past two.
All I'm saying is that we have two people working for the same company managing two massive cinematic universes, and one is doing a demonstrably better job of it.
He's communicating with several other creatives and letting them do their own thing only planting the tiniest of seeds in the post credits sequences of films that tend to have self contained narratives. It has not been a completely smooth ride whatsoever and the only reason it's worked out is due to express communication between the creatives as when making an avenger's film it all comes to a head. It is NOT the result of a grand plan that didn't have major changes along the way to the destination, (i.e., the tone of the Thor movies literally changing from serious to comedic because of the second film's poor reception). Even Thanos, the main villain who was always in the background, quietly had his entire motivation changed as he was majorly rewritten to be somewhat sympathetic when it was time for him to be in the spotlight, retroactively making his smirk in response to the word odd and out of place, as the character Death seemingly does not exist in the MCU.
It's called putting people with stunted imaginations in charge. See: JJ Abrams and Chris Terrio.