I much rather we talk in depth about comics instead of fuckin...anime and expensive statues and LordofLore posting every Tom King tweet
I much rather we talk in depth about comics instead of fuckin...anime and expensive statues and LordofLore posting every Tom King tweet
Yep.Aside from the handful of "you're reading it wrong" drive-bys, it's been really interesting reading people's takes on King over the past day. It's nice to see some actual comics discussion and not just a bunch of embedded tweets and anime/manga stuff for a change
Do wanna apologize to Weiss and TaleSpun for being so verbally upset. Been adjusting to a new work schedule and was really tired when posting. Got cranky over funny pages. Love this community and y'alls thoughts and opinions are a part of what make it my fav place to read and talk mess about comics. <3 <3
I really can't have a take on Tom King as a whole only because I've only read Vision and Omega Men. I didn't like the former as much as the latter, but I also read Vision as it released as opposed to Omega Men in trade. I've been collecting Heroes in Crisis but haven't read it.Aside from the handful of "you're reading it wrong" drive-bys, it's been really interesting reading people's takes on King over the past day. It's nice to see some actual comics discussion and not just a bunch of embedded tweets and anime/manga stuff for a change
Exactly. You beat me to it
titans should have been the book where he dealt with that shit, but no instead we get the genius idea of having him die every other issue.Uh, that's a weird take to have for this particular book when you have Wally pretty much explaining what the book is about. And it's not what you're saying.
The issue here is Wally having to deal with his trauma on his own, further cementing his feeling of alienation when in the end he realized the whole Sanctuary process should be more open. It's this alienation that made him do what he did, not his original mental issues. I mean, it's written in the actual book.
It baffles me how they just don't know what to do with Roy Harper. It really does. Like they just can't figure that shit out. He's been around for decades and y'all telling me he has NOTHING?titans should have been the book where he dealt with that shit, but no instead we get the genius idea of having him die every other issue.
wally being the character with truama is gunna be his single definiting characterist from here on out, just like how roy harper is a junkie and nothing more.
Still waiting on you to buy me these collections, friendBeen catching up on some of my Don Rosa backlog. He has his formula down so well. Start up with a basic premise and build to this crescendo of absurdity. Like watching a magician paint himself into a corner and they pull a disappearing act while finishing up that last spot of painting. All while being faithful to his character and their voices.
I need to get these.Been catching up on some of my Don Rosa backlog. He has his formula down so well. Start up with a basic premise and build to this crescendo of absurdity. Like watching a magician paint himself into a corner and then pull a disappearing act while finishing up that last spot of painting. All while being faithful to his character and their voices.
You are a duck of good taste my good sir.You mean these ones right here?
I'll ship them sometime. In 2050 or so.
What if I wanted Strange negotiating with EternityEndgame was perfect
No spoilers but it had everything people were wanting
What do you think Kyle's lens was in omega man? I'm not familiar enough with the character to identify itWhile we were vaguely talking about death of the author and literary criticism of comics - I do want to point people in the direction of Al Ewing's excellent Immortal Hulk work blog, where he posts a lot of panels and sequences that sort of underpin the themes he's trying to explicitly present. Like, obviously older writers and artists did not intend, in so many words, for Hulk to represent toxic masculinity... but when you take the character as a whole it's so easy to draw these throughlines.
That's one thing I do love about King despite his missteps and iffy execution and underlying authorial issues is that he's very comfortable putting characters through a cool thematic lens. Mister Miracle - a character who "defies death" - through the lens of self-harm and suicide is brilliant. Vision as the center of a story about performative normalcy is brilliant.
from dc's POV he's unnecessary when they have already have an adult archer. same goes for all the original titans pretty much.It baffles me how they just don't know what to do with Roy Harper. It really does. Like they just can't figure that shit out. He's been around for decades and y'all telling me he has NOTHING?
A peacekeeping soldier caught up in a holy war, but he's also talking about his own faith the entire time.What do you think Kyle's lens was in omega man? I'm not familiar enough with the character to identify it
Edit: Oops, DP
What do you think Kyle's lens was in omega man? I'm not familiar enough with the character to identify it
Edit: Oops, DP
Do wanna apologize to Weiss and TaleSpun for being so verbally upset. Been adjusting to a new work schedule and was really tired when posting. Got cranky over funny pages. Love this community and y'alls thoughts and opinions are a part of what make it my fav place to read and talk mess about comics. <3 <3
I love Omega Men, but it is problematic in the sense that you could probably insert any GL into Kyle's spot and it would work. Only reason it does work with Kyle is that he's a White Lantern (which isn't even necessary it just helps for the cool Omega Lantern scene) and the religious part which I think Kyle has mentioned being christian only vaguely prior to Omega Men? Maybe? Like his personality isn't really very Kyle, I guess? It's hard to say. It's not why I like Kyle, but Omega Men is so good that it's hard to condemn.I read Omega Men as about proactive heroism - like, that "being a hero" is kind of a fool's errand. And in that sense I just sort of read Kyle as a "generic GL," and GLs as cops and/or soldiers. But like you, I don't really know Kyle that well. From what I understand his unique characteristics don't come through much in Omega Men so I kinda suspect Tom King doesn't either...
The undercarriage of Omega Men, I think, is that heroism = "policing" = US foreign intervention, and that's where people have issues with it thematically. It's a critique of US foreign intervention, allegorically, in a sci-fi Lawrence of Arabia story, but it hinges on the idea that the intentions of policing are ultimately good.
most were pretty fun stories, just, having fun with the whole merging thing. the actual "Infinity Warps" 2-issue book that was an anthology wasn't very great, thoughWe're any of the infinity waarps good?
They are starting to pop up on MU
I read Omega Men as about proactive heroism - like, that "being a hero" is kind of a fool's errand. And in that sense I just sort of read Kyle as a "generic GL," and GLs as cops and/or soldiers. But like you, I don't really know Kyle that well. From what I understand his unique characteristics don't come through much in Omega Men so I kinda suspect Tom King doesn't either...
The undercarriage of Omega Men, I think, is that heroism = "policing" = US foreign intervention, and that's where people have issues with it thematically. It's a critique of US foreign intervention, allegorically, in a sci-fi Lawrence of Arabia story, but it hinges on the idea that the intentions of policing are ultimately good.
I love Omega Men, but it is problematic in the sense that you could probably insert any GL into Kyle's spot and it would work. Only reason it does work with Kyle is that he's a White Lantern (which isn't even necessary it just helps for the cool Omega Lantern scene) and the religious part which I think Kyle has mentioned being christian only vaguely prior to Omega Men? Maybe? Like his personality isn't really very Kyle, I guess? It's hard to say. It's not why I like Kyle, but Omega Men is so good that it's hard to condemn.
In regards to religion, it was brought up several times in Winnick's run. If I remember correctly, Kyle said he didn't even celebrate Halloween as a kid because his mother was such a devout Irish-Catholic.I love Omega Men, but it is problematic in the sense that you could probably insert any GL into Kyle's spot and it would work. Only reason it does work with Kyle is that he's a White Lantern (which isn't even necessary it just helps for the cool Omega Lantern scene) and the religious part which I think Kyle has mentioned being christian only vaguely prior to Omega Men? Maybe? Like his personality isn't really very Kyle, I guess? It's hard to say. It's not why I like Kyle, but Omega Men is so good that it's hard to condemn.
Goingtitans should have been the book where he dealt with that shit, but no instead we get the genius idea of having him die every other issue.
wally being the character with truama is gunna be his single definiting characterist from here on out, just like how roy harper is a junkie and nothing more.
Depending on what King does in #9 Wally will probably get the New Warriors and Hank Pym treatment regardless of what the intent was.titans should have been the book where he dealt with that shit, but no instead we get the genius idea of having him die every other issue.
wally being the character with truama is gunna be his single definiting characterist from here on out, just like how roy harper is a junkie and nothing more.
Baz would have been PERFECT. He was so bland to me until that crossover where he and Guy teamed up to keep High Father from getting the Life Equation or whatever. Basically quoting the Quran to counter Guy's borderline suicidal tendencies.There is really nothing of Kyle that is significant to the overall plot. The White Lantern -> Omega Lantern transition was a neat trick, but I'm firmly convinced that for the first portion of the book King had no idea Kyle was the White Lantern and what exactly that meant. His religious beliefs added an interesting bend to the story, but that could have easily been left out and nothing really would have changed. You could have used any GL and kept the same basic story beats.
That said, I think a different/better writer could use the same structure of the story but tell it through the lense of Simon Baz and make it all the more compelling. How would an Arab American Muslim man handle a conflict that so closely mirrors Western interventionalism in the modern Middle East? But you would need someone with a deft touch to tell that story and that isn't King. Maybe someone like Saladin Ahmed or Priest would have the chops to pull this off and not have it come across as majorly problematic.
I should read more Kyle. I didn't really know that. Kyle was always the creative who embraced fear rather than be absent of it.In regards to religion, it was brought up several times in Winnick's run. If I remember correctly, Kyle said he didn't even celebrate Halloween as a kid because his mother was such a devout Irish-Catholic.
As to everything else, I don't think any other veteran GL could fit in that role. Maybe John but it would be less of moral quagmire for him given his military background and take charge attitude. I don't see the stuff with Kalista being as effective with anyone other than Kyle though...
Man they really been fucking with Wally West for 14 years now, and this is the culmination
Quick question, is it better to read stuff in published order? If so, is there a complete list of Marvel and DC stuff anywhere?
Have a whole load of comics now, and not sure whether it's ok to read out of order (in order to understand stuff and avoid spoilers).
E.g, does Hickman's Avengers come before Secret Wars, but after Spider-Verse, and does Power man and Iron Fist come before Secret Empire etc.
And DC wise for example, does Infinite Crisis take place between Batman by Loeb and Batman by Morrison.
Sorry if that sounds stupid.