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Courtney Love apparently doesn't like Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Lana Del Rey and Madonna for various reasons
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She was on WTF a year or two ago and my god, it was just an hour of stream of consciousness venting. Idk if Marc got more than a few lines in the whole convo.
I'm not a Taylor hater but "her style is business savvy" is not exactly refuting the point lol
Now come on, I meant her style and then her business savvy as separate things lol. Taylor's earliest work I'd personally describe as not too interesting, but it has absolutely evolved in interesting ways regardless of her business and marketing acumen.
lol
I care less about a billionaire than Courtney but ffs she's sounding like a Gen X Karen who had a few sangrias and felt the need to say what she thinks everyone is thinking. Eyes rolled so far back in my head they hurt.
I care less about a billionaire than Courtney but ffs she's sounding like a Gen X Karen who had a few sangrias and felt the need to say what she thinks everyone is thinking. Eyes rolled so far back in my head they hurt.
Weird. Love has always been such a compassionate, warm, and well-liked person. Really unexpected pivot for her.
"I haven't liked Lana since she covered a John Denver song[...]Up until 'Take Me Home Country Roads' I thought she was great."
Hold on, that's her most recent release, from only 4 months ago. There is no new song for her to have 'not liked' between the cover and now. What kind of unintentional compliment...
Truly an enigmatic woman.
Hold on, that's her most recent release, from only 4 months ago. There is no new song for her to have 'not liked' between the cover and now. What kind of unintentional compliment...
Truly an enigmatic woman.
She's clearly referring to Swifts music, and she ain't wrong.Lots of really popular stuff isn't edifying or musically significant. Who cares about sales or "business savvy". She's entitled to her opinion. Live through this is way better than anything Taylor has ever done. Taylor is super basic, it's one of the reasons she is so popular, she cultivates it herself.
I mean I don't like Courtney Love for a various host of different reasons but you know I'm not a celebrity and I'm pretty sure nobody asked her her opinion on those people.
I mean besides being tangently linked to Kurt Cobain did you do anything else after that? (A former coworker of mine absolutely hates her)
I mean besides being tangently linked to Kurt Cobain did you do anything else after that? (A former coworker of mine absolutely hates her)
Came in to say this. These criticisms barely rise to the level of mild yet people are acting like she ran over their dogs. It's okay to not like music by popular artists. They'll be fine.
Her band Hole was really good. And she is a top flight musician hater . Matched only by Noel Gallagher and Azealia Banks.
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But that's the thing: music doesn't have to be groundbreaking or unique to be well-received or good.
A lot of the music industry (or the "industry" around any art form) is marketing. I'm not Taylor's biggest fan, but that's OK, because her music isn't for me.
The thing that makes Taylor Swift fascinating to me is she has zero'd in on her audience with laser precision, and she delivers to them exactly what they want at a very high level.
She's not Madonna. She's Nintendo.
Why did you have to make me think of how cool an Animal Crossing collab would be. You could have Olivia, Meredith and Benjamin as Villagers. Little Folklore and other Eras themed decorations, house styles and village items. Collab with KK slider and earn her music for the home.
Omg you could go around giving friendship bracelets to other villagers and they would give them to each other.
Urgh!!
A big part of me agrees with this. I'm a fan of everyone she name dropped here but I do prefer there to be space for this kind of snobbishness, criticality, frankness. We need talented haters.
In general, I'm not really on the "omg poptimism has ruined music discourse" train, but the part where the collective instinct is to celebrate all these icons at every turn instead of preserving room for deeply felt negative experiences with their work does bum me out slightly.
Like… looking back, all the criticism I've seen of Taylor Swift recently has been from either chuds or people with the most boomer energy imaginable. It's not often I see someone with anything resembling credibility criticize her from an artistic/musicality perspective, at least not with this kind of directness. And that's pure sacred cow stuff - no way do critics and artists, as a collective, not have some hard hitting criticism to lay on her music and what she does, as much as I enjoy it personally.
Calling someone else unimportant is rich coming from the lady who's mostly remembered as "Kurt Cobain's girlfriend who possibly killed him depending on who you ask." That theory is more popular than her music ever was.
And I say this as someone who completely agrees with her take on T.Swift.
And I say this as someone who completely agrees with her take on T.Swift.
I'll never understand the Swift hate.
I mean, yea incels are gonna incel, but hating her for simply not being controversial enough or not leaning more into some kind of activism is ridiculous. We don't need agendas in everything.
I mean, yea incels are gonna incel, but hating her for simply not being controversial enough or not leaning more into some kind of activism is ridiculous. We don't need agendas in everything.
Man, some people really show themselves with the Taylor hate on levels like this.
Personally not liking her music is one thing. Even saying she's not interesting is a perfectly valid opinion, though one that personally is crazy to me, given the trajectory of her career and what she's achieved.
But saying that Taylor Swift isn't important to music isn't an opinion. It's factually wrong. Like, on a delusional level.
she's Madonna level but not interesting Huh
I'll smoke what she's smoking
Some of y'all are transparent af
I'll smoke what she's smoking
Some of y'all are transparent af
They aren't her haha, she's right about Taylor not being interesting though IMO, but people like the music and the performance so there's gotta be something there. Not everyone needs to be counterculture or seek to disrupt. To say she's not important though, that's not true at least as it pertains to right now. Are people going to herald her as an icon generationally the same way they seem to do a band like Nirvana,? I doubt it, but that's rarified air, and even Nirvana might lose popularity over the next 50 years, it's only been 30 years since Cobain died, that is nothing timewise. As far as popularity/ubiquity, Swift is the Nirvana of today.
lol this.
It's the only real quote here where she tries to be positive and even then, she came at it from a completely misguided angle.
I just mean i don't think she's interesting at all. What she's accomplished is incredible.
The biggest bands would always get tons of shit too. It wasn't rising tides and all that. I enjoy a YouTube channel about musicians in the 60s London Scene reviewing the Singles for the Week in Melody Maker magazine. it was filled with charming put-downs and you would legitimately learn more about what was good or bad about something than you would understand by reading the mainstream music press.
As Led Zeppelin was the biggest band in the world and "making the most money" everyone was sniping at them in the press. Even if there was a tinge of jealousy over them keeping their cash after Jimmy Page plagiarized everyone. The biggest underground papers like Rolling Stone hated on them while the public couldn't get enough. There is room for an artist to be huge and also shit on for doing boring or commercial work.
It's like someone saying Dane Cook is an important comedian. He pioneered a marketing tactic. He filled stadiums, but no one thinks he's Steve Martin or Richard Pryor.
I think the thing with Swift is her music isn't really trying to explore new grounds or push popular music. She goes after trends to continue to build her power. She hires producers to give her an indie sound, an urban sound, electronic sound, because that's what is hot. She isn't making anyone uncomfortable with her art. I think there is a lot of merit in making good, solid music that relates to people.