I'm not a Taylor hater but "her style is business savvy" is not exactly refuting the point lolI'm not really a general Taylor listener myself (even though Folklore stands out specifically as my jam), but saying she's not important or interesting as an artist just seems objectively untrue on both counts. Her style's evolution and business savvy are both some of the most interesting in the entire genre.
It is refreshing to hear.
She was on WTF a year or two ago and my god, it was just an hour of stream of consciousness venting. Idk if Marc got more than a few lines in the whole convo.
I'm not a Taylor hater but "her style is business savvy" is not exactly refuting the point lol
I hate that takes as lukewarm as this somehow become big news.
Her band Hole was really good. And she is a top flight musician hater . Matched only by Noel Gallagher and Azealia Banks.I mean I don't like Courtney Love for a various host of different reasons but you know I'm not a celebrity and I'm pretty sure nobody asked her her opinion on those people.
I mean besides being tangently linked to Kurt Cobain did you do anything else after that? (A former coworker of mine absolutely hates her)
As a musician, I respect all music but Im astounded the level of success that Swift has achieved. Her music is far from ground breaking or unique. I can only assume that shes smart enough to tap in to the current trends and have a great marketing and PR team.
Fr. Who does she actually like?
😂😂😂Weird. Love has always been such a compassionate, warm, and well-liked person. Really unexpected pivot for her.
Why did you have to make me think of how cool an Animal Crossing collab would be. You could have Olivia, Meredith and Benjamin as Villagers. Little Folklore and other Eras themed decorations, house styles and village items. Collab with KK slider and earn her music for the home.But that's the thing: music doesn't have to be groundbreaking or unique to be well-received or good.
A lot of the music industry (or the "industry" around any art form) is marketing. I'm not Taylor's biggest fan, but that's OK, because her music isn't for me.
The thing that makes Taylor Swift fascinating to me is she has zero'd in on her audience with laser precision, and she delivers to them exactly what they want at a very high level.
She's not Madonna. She's Nintendo.
More musicians should have opinions on other acts. We need to return to scenes actively shitting on other artists. Music is better for it.
No, Courtney. It's about Black women going into spaces that Black women helped build.
But go off, I guess.
Man, some people really show themselves with the Taylor hate on levels like this.
Personally not liking her music is one thing. Even saying she's not interesting is a perfectly valid opinion, though one that personally is crazy to me, given the trajectory of her career and what she's achieved.
But saying that Taylor Swift isn't important to music isn't an opinion. It's factually wrong. Like, on a delusional level.
The biggest bands would always get tons of shit too. It wasn't rising tides and all that. I enjoy a YouTube channel about musicians in the 60s London Scene reviewing the Singles for the Week in Melody Maker magazine. it was filled with charming put-downs and you would legitimately learn more about what was good or bad about something than you would understand by reading the mainstream music press.A big part of me agrees with this. I'm a fan of everyone she name dropped here but I do prefer there to be space for this kind of snobbishness, criticality, frankness. We need talented haters.
In general, I'm not really on the "omg poptimism has ruined music discourse" train, but the part where the collective instinct is to celebrate all these icons at every turn instead of preserving room for deeply felt negative experiences with their work does bum me out slightly.
Like… looking back, all the criticism I've seen of Taylor Swift recently has been from either chuds or people with the most boomer energy imaginable. It's not often I see someone with anything resembling credibility criticize her from an artistic/musicality perspective, at least not with this kind of directness. And that's pure sacred cow stuff - no way do critics and artists, as a collective, not have some hard hitting criticism to lay on her music and what she does, as much as I enjoy it personally.
It's like someone saying Dane Cook is an important comedian. He pioneered a marketing tactic. He filled stadiums, but no one thinks he's Steve Martin or Richard Pryor.I just mean i don't think she's interesting at all. What she's accomplished is incredible.
I think the thing with Swift is her music isn't really trying to explore new grounds or push popular music. She goes after trends to continue to build her power. She hires producers to give her an indie sound, an urban sound, electronic sound, because that's what is hot. She isn't making anyone uncomfortable with her art. I think there is a lot of merit in making good, solid music that relates to people.They aren't her haha, she's right about Taylor not being interesting though IMO, but people like the music and the performance so there's gotta be something there. Not everyone needs to be counterculture or seek to disrupt. To say she's not important though, that's not true at least as it pertains to right now. Are people going to herald her as an icon generationally the same way they seem to do a band like Nirvana,? I doubt it, but that's rarified air, and even Nirvana might lose popularity over the next 50 years, it's only been 30 years since Cobain died, that is nothing timewise. As far as popularity/ubiquity, Swift is the Nirvana of today.