Cronus will let you use a mouse/keyboard, yes, but it can also run scripts that can allow you to do god-like stuff with a controller that you wouldn't normally be able to do. The two get conflated too much, I agree.
Dexerto: Warzone players demand cross-play changes as hackers make it “unplayable”
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Cronus will let you use a mouse/keyboard, yes, but it can also run scripts that can allow you to do god-like stuff with a controller that you wouldn't normally be able to do. The two get conflated too much, I agree.
Didn't Modern Warfare matchmake based on input device? That always seemed like the correct way to do things, seems weird to have not carried that over to Warzone.
No. There was no input based matchmaking in MW 2019. Platform based only.
In the last few days there are literally MW2 era hacked lobbies ranking people up to 1000 and giving every unlock.
Raven needs to do something already because I'm not playing anymore starting today because I don't want to risk my account
Raven needs to do something already because I'm not playing anymore starting today because I don't want to risk my account
Really? I remember it from the beta, was it a lie or something?
Ah, OK. I only remember hearing about it as a device to let you use KB/M. Thanks.
There was reporting that it'd work that way before the game came out, but in practice, the game mixed input devices within lobbies.
It did seem to try and bring as many kbm players together as possible when doing matchmaking, but my guess it wasn't strict to avoid long matchmaking times for kbm players.
The 10 CoD support studios should be focusing on integrating anti-cheat in the next release. Since WWII/Vanguard or whatever nonsense is based on the MW engine I wouldn't be surprised if Warzone was migrated as well. Perfect opportunity for them to do the necessary work. It's pretty clear whatever the hell Activision is doing isn't working.
Uh....that doesn't change what he's saying which is cheating is significantly easier and more common on pc. Like you said, some piece of cheating hardware has been backordered for months. That's not a problem on pc where cheats are always readily available for download and can also presumably be acquired for free.
From my experience, cheating on console =/= cheating on PC.
I don't care whether someone wants to use Chronus. I do care whether someone has the ability to see my character through walls.
Console-PC crossplay should always be opt-in.
Posters underplaying PC cheating are being purposefully obtuse.
I don't care whether someone wants to use Chronus. I do care whether someone has the ability to see my character through walls.
Console-PC crossplay should always be opt-in.
Posters underplaying PC cheating are being purposefully obtuse.
This is a pretty bad opinion, honestly, especially when talking so broadly.
Activision shouldn't even let mouse/keyboard players play against controller players, but they do anyways. That's enough like cheating as-is.
This isnt PS3/360 era CoDs. They is no such thing as hacked lobbies with console only.
lol.... this can't be a real opinion.
Player skill outweighs input method. There are countless people who use controllers and beat countless M&KB users. Honestly cannot believe people still push this idea.
Not in Warzone, it's not. Back when I was playing it, I was on a controller while playing on PC. Many top players bounce back and forth between M+KB and controller to keep the experience fresh. Warzone, for all of its faults, has a good balance between the two inputs.
I've stopped playing Warzone and call of duty in general until they talk about the cheating issues. I appreciate that there are so many people out there who are better at the game than me, but I have come across some extremely blatent cheating and it's often enough to put me off of playing.
Hackers can get banned but I never heard any XIM, Cronus etcetc users ever getting banned guess it's allowed?
The problem is a lack of proper anti-cheat. There are plenty of PC games that have successfully minimised cheating.
Debatable. Both have their strengths. Controller aim assist is a hell of a thing.
Hell, Destiny has far crazier movement abilities than CoD and there are still crackshot PC streamers carrying scrubs to the lighthouse every weekend on controller. Usually sniping.
They also routinely post utterly asinine cheater clips to YouTube…
It's not 100% (nothing is…) but yeah, it's pretty great. But then everyone flipped their shit about it due to the system process requirement. Like, do you want cheaters or not? I feel like scorched earth is the only way.
For the record, I'm for PC and console cross-play. Both have their advantages and I think they are balanced pretty well (PC with a controller, however...). But PC is the main source for all the hacks and the game is literally unplayable because of it. At least cut that part of as a temporary fix so that the console people can continue to enjoy the game while Activision hopefully finally works on an anti-cheat.
Boggles my mind how only playstation has a "turn cross play off" option while Xbox doesn't, I'd like it if there were console only cross play
I'll say it, I only play the rebirth map because of PC players cheating like crazy on the main map :/
I'll say it, I only play the rebirth map because of PC players cheating like crazy on the main map :/
I think it's disingenuous to say people are just getting destroyed when there is so much evidence out there.
Apparently one of those subscription cheat services had a free weekend . A friend of mine who still plays said it was an absolute nightmare and every game was infested with them ..
People can complain till their tongues fall out their mouths but nothing will change until people actually stop playing the game .
People can complain till their tongues fall out their mouths but nothing will change until people actually stop playing the game .
Coming from mainly a pc game that has consoles as much as some of you want to say "cheating isn't only on pc"'obviously that's not the case but let's be clear it's majority PC. Example load up a regular tdm game and you'll see it's almost unplayable if you match with only pc players. The cheating is absolutely out of hand and it's the reason I've stopped playing. The Cronus devices are not nearly that popular so yes it's a big problem and always has been on pc gaming. Hell even destiny is a train wreck on pc. Idk if you guys remember that game called division? You literally couldn't even enter the dark zone on pc you would get instant killed through walls or people flying across the map above you and griefing you.
90% of my Warzone play is on console because of this. I just got back to PC gaming after a long break and forgot about the disaster that is hacking.
On console you get aim assist as well as M+K, let's not pretend a PS player with a xim is the same as a PC player with their M+K. It is VERY strong.
It's not easy to just put in a mouse and play like Shroud or whatever, but it *IS* very easy to hit crazy shots when the game is magnetizing your aim to people's heads when you only have to aim vaguely in the right spot.
EDIT: To be clear, aim assist with M+K is actually NOT all that different from a low sensitivity aimbot on PC, which is what most hackers would be using if they're using one (since you're presumably trying to dodge bans).
Looking at the top 20, controllers have it 15-5 when looking at what those streamers use in WarZone. That's 75% of the top 20.
Looking at the top 25, controllers have it 18-7. 72% of the top 25.
Top 30, controllers have it 21-9. 70% of the top 30.
When I said the best players, I didn't mean every single top player. Sorry for not being more specific for you.
The majority of the best players use Controller.
Suchhhh a coincidence. I play Warzone with a lot of console players who are friends in real life. I JUST PLAYED quads with my friend. 2 people on my team were no question absolutely without a doubt cheating. Auto aim quick shot with the sniper dropping everything in two secs. He got 40 kills. It was fucking nuts. It's the first time I've seen hacks with my own eyes in WZ. I accepted it didn't even trying to shoot. They were dropping everything in a second. I ended up reporting.
They really need to frequently update this game with updates that counter the latest hacks. Like when a a hack is patched, then another hack is out, they have to patch it IN ONE DAY. And keep playing update tag but QUICKLY. It was fucking crazy. Just made me not even want to play anymore.
They really need to frequently update this game with updates that counter the latest hacks. Like when a a hack is patched, then another hack is out, they have to patch it IN ONE DAY. And keep playing update tag but QUICKLY. It was fucking crazy. Just made me not even want to play anymore.
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Given what we know about COD PC player numbers while the game was still on Steam (and I doubt the move off of Steam has helped with the visibility/player numbers for the game on PC) I doubt the PC has the player base to support constant full Warzone matches, which is probably why they push crossplay so much.
The uptick in cheaters has been nuts. Grantee I've been watching way more than playing lately, but it seems like 1 out of every 2 or 3 lobbies there is a blatant hacker on any of the streamers' games I'm watching, when a month or two ago it was like 1 in 10.
I only played a handful of games last night and in every single one the lobby was dying out incredibly fast, and I ran into a level ~30 dude with a generic name running the most blatant aimbot I've seen in my time playing lmao.
And the people complaining about the inherent advantage of m+k over controller in this thread are clearly not ones who follow Warzone whatsoever
Post your CoD Tracker bruh
I only played a handful of games last night and in every single one the lobby was dying out incredibly fast, and I ran into a level ~30 dude with a generic name running the most blatant aimbot I've seen in my time playing lmao.
And the people complaining about the inherent advantage of m+k over controller in this thread are clearly not ones who follow Warzone whatsoever
Post your CoD Tracker bruh
Its funny because Sony gets a lot of hate for Cross-play stuff, but in a way they did "care" in making turning cross play off mandatory on all PS Consoles. Although it feels like Activision found a way around that in just not matching you into a lobby. I turned cross play off recently to play Solos (I literally never play Solos) and for literally 30 mins I couldn't find a match. It was the dumbest shit ever, there are "60M" Warzone players and you can't find me an all PS lobby? So stupid lol
Cheating in both Warzone and Apex is a real problem, and I really wish it would get squashed. It's very frustrating.
Yeah Warzone it's pretty bad. I heard about a cheater during a twitch rivals match which is pretty bad in itself.
Apex also sucks for cheating. At least they have an anti cheat. However, there is only 1 person at Respawn taking care of the issue. Which isn't enough.
Apex also sucks for cheating. At least they have an anti cheat. However, there is only 1 person at Respawn taking care of the issue. Which isn't enough.
Last week I found 1 blatant cheater every day of the week.
They stopped doing ban waves and suddenly we got an uptick in the number of cheaters... I guess july is also vacation in some countries... so maybe we're getting an influx of cheaters because of that.
This game needs a 2.0 version with an kernel level anti-cheat, no matter if some people are bothered by this.
They stopped doing ban waves and suddenly we got an uptick in the number of cheaters... I guess july is also vacation in some countries... so maybe we're getting an influx of cheaters because of that.
This game needs a 2.0 version with an kernel level anti-cheat, no matter if some people are bothered by this.
Anyone downplaying the amount of cheating on the PC side in Warzone has clearly not booted the game in like 6 months.
It is INSANE now. Like I'm taking 3 or 4 BLATANT walls/aimbot per night when we go on. Since the new season we've played so much less (haven't even hit 30 in the battle pass for this season, that's how much it's killed it for me...I've completed every other one since it came out).
And to the people equating it to things like Cronus or Strike Packs...I would take them on over wallers/aimbotters any day of the week as you can at least outplay them. They piss me off too, but they can be potatoes.
No chance against aimbot from top of Summit lol
It is INSANE now. Like I'm taking 3 or 4 BLATANT walls/aimbot per night when we go on. Since the new season we've played so much less (haven't even hit 30 in the battle pass for this season, that's how much it's killed it for me...I've completed every other one since it came out).
And to the people equating it to things like Cronus or Strike Packs...I would take them on over wallers/aimbotters any day of the week as you can at least outplay them. They piss me off too, but they can be potatoes.
No chance against aimbot from top of Summit lol
The thing about cheating on PC is that people only tend to notice the obvious cases in which people blatantly use cheats like aim bots.
The cheaters who only use few subtle cheats to detect the other players earlier, or gain other types of smaller advantages, are almost impossible to detect if they are smart about what they are doing. Another player might know exactly where you are, but it would not be obvious when spectating them.
The cheaters who only use few subtle cheats to detect the other players earlier, or gain other types of smaller advantages, are almost impossible to detect if they are smart about what they are doing. Another player might know exactly where you are, but it would not be obvious when spectating them.
Why does it feel like so many people in this thread are saying fuck PC players, let them suffer and play on their own?
When clearly the vast majority of PC players do not cheat, but fuck them anyway?
When clearly the vast majority of PC players do not cheat, but fuck them anyway?
IF they aren't noticeable, there's no way people would be complaining about them. How people would complain about something they don't know if people are using or not?
Because they only care about not having the problem. Fuck legitimate users.
Annecdotal for sure but I know a huge bunch of folks who see 'cross play' as a dirty word now because of Call of Duty's bundling of different inputs + cheaters. The lack of options / choice is really frustrating.
You are missing my point. Which is, regardless of whether you think the cheating is or is not a problem in Warzone, there are a lot more cheaters in Warzone than you can see.
The blatant and obvious cheaters are just the tip of the iceberg.
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I'm surprised at the prevailing notion that PC is not the only platform with cheaters, as if console cheats can compare.
PC cheating is fundamentally different to console cheating. It's sofware assisted, aimbots, wallhacks and the like. The worst you get on console is Cronus scripts for anti-recoil and slightly more sticky aim assist.
It's not even in the same universe as far as cheat complexity goes. PC owns cheats.
Warzone is a super popular, free-to-play game on PC. It has the maximum amounts of cheaters. No question.
PC cheating is fundamentally different to console cheating. It's sofware assisted, aimbots, wallhacks and the like. The worst you get on console is Cronus scripts for anti-recoil and slightly more sticky aim assist.
It's not even in the same universe as far as cheat complexity goes. PC owns cheats.
Warzone is a super popular, free-to-play game on PC. It has the maximum amounts of cheaters. No question.
I mean... it wil solve the problem for console players. It seems some people don't really care if PC gets left behind. The excuse given is that it should be temporary, until they implement anti-cheat, but I'm not fooled.
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Yeah, this really bothered me about this thread. Let's stop pretending like the two are even remotely comparable, please?