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jett

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Considering this is a gaming board, I can understrand why people would side with Sony on anything, even their terrible terrible movie division.

And saying people who have faith in Feige and his historical MCU success are "disney fanboys" is such an embarassing reach.
There's no reach to be made when people are desperately spinning this as Sony being at fault when it's Disney that came in with an unreasonable proposition.
 

Dalek

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I asked what I was missing genuinely. Feel free to fill me in.

Marvel Studios was the creative team behind the movies. Cast, Story, Production, Music. The deal was for Sony to step out of the way creatively and not get in the way and just sit back and collect money. In exchange, Marvel Studios could use Spidey in their own movies.


However, in February 2015, Sony Pictures and Marvel Studios announced that they would release a new Spider-Man film, with Kevin Feige and Pascal producing (the latter through her company Pascal Pictures).[93][94] The character would first appear in an earlier Marvel Cinematic Universe film,[93] later revealed to be Captain America: Civil War.[95] Marvel Studios would explore opportunities to integrate MCU characters into future Spider-Man films, which Sony Pictures would continue to finance, distribute, and have final creative control over.[93] Both studios have the ability to terminate the agreement at any point, and no money was exchanged with the deal. However, a small adjustment was made to a 2011 deal that gave Marvel full control of Spider-Man's merchandising rights, in exchange for a one-time payment of $175 million to Sony and paying up to $35 million for each future Spider-Man film rather than receiving their previous 5% of a Spider-Man film's revenue—Marvel could now reduce their $35 million payment if the co-produced film grossed more than $750 million.[96] Lone Star Funds also co-financed the film with Sony, via its LSC Film Corporation deal,[97] covering 25% of the $175 million budget,[98] while Columbia Pictures officially served as co-producer with Marvel Studios.[99] Sony also paid Marvel Studios an undisclosed producer fee.[100]
 

deepFlaw

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Well... not really gonna comment on the financial aspect of this, since fighting over how much ridiculous amounts of money you can get is... dunno.

But as someone who liked Far From Home and where they were going with this, it's unfortunate. I actually would kinda prefer if they hadn't leaned so hard on the Stark/crossover stuff, but it's just gonna be very weirder now.
 

TyraZaurus

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I don't see how that kills their current deal, if Sony is telling Disney that they would rather still be on the hook 100% cost wise, and keep the current deal in place. So this whole thing fell apart because neither side could agree on whether Sony should allow Disney to help financing the films in exchange for more control?

Basically.

But more likely this is a stunt to up the drama and make one side "come back to the negotiation table" with a deal the other side is more likely to find favorable.

Sony tried this the last time they had to negotiate with Disney, remember. It's a tactic they've played more than once.
 

Sweeney Swift

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Sony fucked up again (could add 32 more again's here to accurately portray their history in film. There were reasons they had no billion dollar films pre-2019 Marvel and had to be carried to it like children with help, but hey, their fans get to go back to those days)
 

Zero-ELEC

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A Shame too, because like before Marvel/Disney LOVES to stop making shit for a property they don't own the movie rights to, so the chances of us seeing another Spidey game? I'd wager next to null, just like they did with the X-Men when Fox had the rights, they don't want to create things that made help boost another studios movie/property.
Now, to be fair, Marvel Games have since stopped doing that; with Bill Rosemann pushing to get all those properties back in the rotation; and allegedly the instructions for the 'Fox ban' came from Pearlmutter himself who is now "just" Chairman of Marvel Entertainment and now spends most of his time arranging shit for Trump.

Even if Marvel Entertainment and/or Disney pushed for Marvel Games to stop using _Spider-Man_ properties, chances are that _Marvel's Spider-Man 2_ or whatever has contracts that ensure its release. After that, tho...
 
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Feel like a lot of people in this thread are getting played.

When the deal first leaked it was framed in the context of it probably not happening.

If this sticks for a few months, then sure I'll believe it but I would be surprised to see this be the end of the deal.
 

Joe

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Fuuuuuuuuuck. This sucks. :(

I don't care about the money shit, or who was greedy, or who was at fault. This just sucks. I loved Tom Holland MCU Spidey, and it sucks that it's gone.
 

kai3345

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im sure feige has a story contingency ready in the event this were to happen. he had to have known it was a possibility
 

Saifu

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Dude wtf? How da fuck?
Everything in the MCU was going so well too...
Should've just kept Spidey dusted.
 

mreddie

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Feige coming to D23 this weekend
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What was the deal between Marvel and Sony again about the Spiderman IP ? Do they have eternal rights for everything not comic books or do they expire ?
 

DiableJambe11

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Wow so much hate in this thread lol.. Sony just made the best Spider-Man movie of all time without Marvel called "Into the Spider-Verse". If they take what they learned from that film and make it live action they'll be fine.
 
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Maaaaaan, Disney really fucked up.
I still hope this is all PR posturing andd we will get a new deal somewhere down the line.
A new deal is absolutely going to happen. Marvel has much more to lose than Sony. Sony can make a crappy Spidey movie and it'll make profit. Even more so based on the work that Marvel put in. Marvel can't afford to have a shitty Sony Spidey movie. Especially with the same cast and crew. Causes major brand confusion and messes up Marvel's plans.

Spidey entered the billion dollar club and Sony wants a larger cut. Marvel is NOT going to let Spidey just "go". They'll pay, now or later.
 

Loxley

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Ugh, well fine then. Gimme that Spidey vs Venom movie now Sony.

Is this a joke post?! The first 3 spiderman movies set all sorts of records. What is happening in this thread?!

We seriously need to invent a term for the psychological phenomenon of believing there were no good or wildly successful Marvel movies before the MCU came along.
 

Anth0ny

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I'm just saying they spent 2 whole movies setting up Spider-Man as the heir apparent of the Avengers. Not to mention the fact that the last MCU movie ends with some pretty huge events that you can't just wave away in the MCU.

An Avenger gets outed on live TV and accused of murder and we are going to what.....just be like, nah fam that didn't happen....look Black Panther is here!

I figure we'll get a throw away line from Nick Fury that the situation was dealt with, and that will be that.

lol
 

Cyclonesweep

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Considering this is a gaming board, I can understrand why people would side with Sony on anything, even their terrible terrible movie division.

And saying people who have faith in Feige and his historical MCU success are "disney fanboys" is such an embarassing reach.
Yep. Feige has been running the most successful movie studio and franchise and has been able to keep the quality up while DC, Fox and Sony have been floundering.

"Disney Fanboys" I just like quality.
 

Kurdel

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There's no reach to be made when people are desperately spinning this as Sony being at fault when it's Disney that came in with an unreasonable proposition.

No one is desperate here, we all have see Sony's CV in terms of movies and know what to expect.

Anyone framing this as Sony having the big end of the stick in this debate are delusional, but I wish them the best of luck with the upcoming shit Sony will squat out for us.
 

janusff

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Marvel Studios was the creative team behind the movies. Cast, Story, Production, Music. The deal was for Sony to step out of the way creatively and not get in the way and just sit back and collect money. In exchange, Marvel Studios could use Spidey in their own movies.
Got it. Thanks.

Sony Pictures should just then use some of that money they've earned and hire new talent/producers, and make better movies. Like, damn.
 

msdstc

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Ugh, well fine then. Gimme that Spidey vs Venom movie now Sony.



We seriously need to invent a term for the psychological phenomenon of believing there were no good or wildly successful Marvel movies before the MCU came along.

venom alone just made nearly 900 million. A spider/venom introduction would easily clear a billion and sony could merchandise the fuck out of it and get full cut.
 

TrojanAg

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Disney was too greedy, and Sony is too delusional to think that they can have the type of success that FHH had without Marvel Studios' involvement. Hopefully they change their minds and talk it over some more.
 
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