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Does some people still believe that 60 is not mandatory for next gen consoles?
- Thread starter Cloud-Strife
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it's not so much that I don't think it's mandatory, I really wish games would at least give you the option between resolution and frame-rate, but as long as frame-rate doesn't sell, resolution and graphics will continue to be prioritized.
Yes, people still believe that.
If a game runs at stable 30fps with out any framepacing issues, and if it isn't a fast reaction game like a racer or fighter, I am perfectly fine with it.
In that case I appreciate developers focusing on high fidelty graphics and high rendering resolutions.
If a game runs at stable 30fps with out any framepacing issues, and if it isn't a fast reaction game like a racer or fighter, I am perfectly fine with it.
In that case I appreciate developers focusing on high fidelty graphics and high rendering resolutions.
I don't think its mandatory for all kinds of games. For example, racing and arcade / twitchy games should absolutely strive to push for maximum fidelity at high frame rates, but everything else is fair game
I honestly don't feel a difference with higher frames by playing an open world IF the tech behind is proper (ie perfect frame pacing, akin to Zero Dawn). However, an all over the place frame pacing at 30 fps is downright horrible, that we can all agree on I think
I honestly don't feel a difference with higher frames by playing an open world IF the tech behind is proper (ie perfect frame pacing, akin to Zero Dawn). However, an all over the place frame pacing at 30 fps is downright horrible, that we can all agree on I think
Yeah that's not going to happen. Evenly frame paced 30 is totally playable, and as long as devs are interested in pushing boundaries and wanting to do more, 60 FPS won't be standard. That said I suspect it will be far more common than currently.
Developers will almost always prioritize graphics over framerate on console for noncompetitive games. I don't expect the next-gen games to change that reality.
I acknowledge the improvement of 60fps and can definitely tell, but the bottom line is a properly framepaced 30fps feels and looks great to me. It doesn't take me out of the experience at all. So yeah, if I'm given the choice between better graphics at 30fps I'm taking that.
The frustrating thing is on PC, where I often do have to make graphical sacrifices to hit 60fps because I can't get 30fps to feel like console 30fps to save my life. Some methods work well on some games, but not on others.
The frustrating thing is on PC, where I often do have to make graphical sacrifices to hit 60fps because I can't get 30fps to feel like console 30fps to save my life. Some methods work well on some games, but not on others.
Graphics are still what sell. Higher resolutions and better looking games are far more marketable.
If you really care about higher framerates, buy a PC. It's one of the primary reasons I switch primarily to PC. I'm a framerate priority person, consoles are always graphics first, but occasionally you'll get a "performance mode" bone tossed your way
If you really care about higher framerates, buy a PC. It's one of the primary reasons I switch primarily to PC. I'm a framerate priority person, consoles are always graphics first, but occasionally you'll get a "performance mode" bone tossed your way
It's not happening this gen or any gen. Devs will continue to choose to prioritize either framerates or visuals, just like they do now. So some games will be 60, some games will be 30. No different from how it already is.
If you feel that strongly about it, well..
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It's the same thing whenever a new gen comes around. Some people think more power will allow all games to run at 60fps.
Reality is, we've had beautiful 60fps console games since the PS2, if the industry wanted to make it standard it could have done so a long time ago. It's not gonna happen.
Most games will push for better graphics, sacrificing high framerate.
Reality is, we've had beautiful 60fps console games since the PS2, if the industry wanted to make it standard it could have done so a long time ago. It's not gonna happen.
Most games will push for better graphics, sacrificing high framerate.
Developers should continue to make the games they want, and not implement entirely arbitrary rules about what they can and can't do.
It sucks if you're incapable of enjoying a game at 30, but it doesn't mean anything more than just " that kind of sucks, I guess". The industry will continue to move forward without you. There will always be 60fps games for you, especially on PC.
It sucks if you're incapable of enjoying a game at 30, but it doesn't mean anything more than just " that kind of sucks, I guess". The industry will continue to move forward without you. There will always be 60fps games for you, especially on PC.
I'm just waiting for the moment everyone realises that 1080p, 30fps with upscaling to 4k ends up being the standard next generation. Happens every time, "this generation will finally be 1080p 60fps!" aaaaaand it never is. Maybe if the 4k push hadn't happened we'd be getting solid framerates, but consoles went in a different direction to PC gaming while using the same hardware so we know what to expect from it.
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I have a good PC and play all my games at 1080/60 or 1440p/60.
But how am I going to play TLOU 2 or the next Spiderman game? I really hope dynamic resolution is the king next gen and we get games up to 4k and 60 fps.
We have this thread every generation and the answer is always the same, graphics sell games, not frame-rates.
Even if this wasn't the case, I get the impression devs enjoy creating as graphically pleasing a game as possible over smoothest running more often than not.
We want all games to play 4K/60 but sometimes for artistic reasons a game is 4K/30 so deal with it.
Harsh but accurate. Plenty of people have chimed in here with reasonable counterpoint to the utterly dismissive OP topic. I'm just baffled that people continue to reach the conclusion that more powerful console automatically equals higher frame rate. Back in the Atari 2600 era we had 60fps games. Okay, they were fields rather than frames, but you were basically required to recompute the entire display every 60th of a second because of hardware limitations.
If anything, more powerful consoles have enabled lower frame rates. Let that sink in for a minute.
How did you play the first Spider-Man game? Or TLOU when it was out on PS3?
Then don't play it, would be more apt than deal with it.
some takes are really something...
I'm expecting 1080p, uncapped as the norm. Maybe whatever resolution PS4 Pro frequently uses (1440p?), uncapped , and 4K/30fps for the graphics option.
Or I could advocate for it to be 60 and then privately choose whether or not to play it. Why deal with anything that I think can be improved?
Is this the first time you've paid attention to a generational transition? Because replace 4k with 1080p and this post would be indistinguishable from some made in 2012/2013, and that isn't even the first time that kind of argument has been made in regards to looking forward to the upcoming generation.
Some games are fine at 30fps and others should prioritize 60fps for obvious reasons. At the end of the day, its should be the developers decision.
There are 2 reasons this happens:
It is easier to have a stable resolution than it is to have a stable frame rate. Depending on the developer, goal and type of game it can be a priority or not.
A lot of people just don't care. And when you put two videos of the same game, side by side, one with better graphics and one with better framerrate, the likelihood of people choosing the better graphics over frame rate is high, sadly.
It is easier to have a stable resolution than it is to have a stable frame rate. Depending on the developer, goal and type of game it can be a priority or not.
A lot of people just don't care. And when you put two videos of the same game, side by side, one with better graphics and one with better framerrate, the likelihood of people choosing the better graphics over frame rate is high, sadly.
some takes are really something...
Have you read the OP? I was referring to that (to the people who claim that it is fine).... 60fps is smoother but the worse response time at 30 doesn't make anything unplayable like I said.
No way we'll see 60 FPS across the board next gen -- the priority will be making something that looks awesome on a commercial, which doesn't even take a solid 30. Best we can hope for is performance mode to become more common.
It's simply the truth of life. You have PC for 60 fps and the majority of people simply don't care.
some takes are really something...
some takes are really something...
Sure, some of those lol, but saying a game isn't unplayable at 30fps isn't exactly a bad take.
But 60 is not mandatory for next gen consoles, as it has never been; that's a fact.
OP title is worded very weirdly and that's another fact.
What you even. Man. Yes it would be nice but no it won't happen and the way you've worded the title implies you believe it's actually mandated by console manufacturers which has never been true of any generation.
OP title is worded very weirdly and that's another fact.
What you even. Man. Yes it would be nice but no it won't happen and the way you've worded the title implies you believe it's actually mandated by console manufacturers which has never been true of any generation.
60fps will never be the target for consoles by the majority of game devs, so if anyone thinks it's mandatory they're already on PC.
I am some people and I am fine with 30 fps as long as it is stable.
I still don't know why people conflate design decision with hardware power. 60 fps has been doable since the days of PS1.
I still don't know why people conflate design decision with hardware power. 60 fps has been doable since the days of PS1.
The developers will say the same thing they always said every generation: If a game with a big graphical leap will be developed, but the console is unable to sustain the 60fps, they will say "fuck the fps, will be capped on 30".