Geirskogul

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Fucking economists , they are all frauds

Modern economics is literally propaganda used by the rich to try and convince the poor that policies that rob them blind and grind them into the dirt actually make them better off. They are the one group of "experts" who should never be listened too.
 
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Modern economics is literally propaganda used by the rich to try and convince the poor that policies that rob them blind and grind them into the dirt actually make them better off. They are the one group of "experts" who should never be listened too.

As someone who has a degree in economics, you have no idea what you're talking about.

You sound like those alternate medicine witch doctors criticizing the medical world for not being perfect.
 

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I love the hot takes in his thread now. It's been a fun couple of days. Today I've already recovered 60% of my losses from yesterday. The trick to the stock market is to do as little as possible. If we have a solid recovery in the next week or so, I would say that this bull will continue to run.

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Geirskogul

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As someone who has a degree in economics, you have no idea what you're talking about.

You sound like those alternate medicine witch doctors criticizing the medical world for not being perfect.

Complete false equivilance.

Medicine and the hard sciences are not comparable to a field built upon foundations of unscrutinized cultural bias, political manipulation, and faulty assumptions about human behavior and decision-making from a paranoid schizophrenic.
 
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Complete false equivilance.

Medicine and the hard sciences are not comparable to a field built upon foundations of unscrutinized cultural bias, political manipulation, and faulty assumptions about human behavior and decision-making from a paranoid schizophrenic.

Not really sure what more there is to say other than your position is one of extreme ignorance on something you apparently do not really understand.
 

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So what does the bounce back mean for stuff like the SVXY? I'm new to this stuff but ive been interested for so long.

It means that even at $12.2 SVXY is currently overvalued based on the intrinsic value of $11.5 of its holdings.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/^SVXY-IV?p=^SVXY-IV

However if you think volatility is going away, SVXY could still be a good buy. However it'll move relative to where it is now and there's absolutely 0 chance it goes back above $100 for at least a few years (and that's assuming low volatility during that entire time period).
 

TheExecutive

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You say this like Trump and Co aren't about to pin this all on Obama like Hannity did last night.

Broadly speaking, you're correct. But Trump has spent the last year loudly and repeatedly claiming credit for the stock market's performance. It's a package deal; you can't take credit for the good without taking blame for the bad.

People blaming trump are mocking him. He literally brags about the stock market every day. Nobody actually thinks he caused the big drop

You say this like Trump and Co aren't about to pin this all on Obama like Hannity did last night.

Yeah Trump is an idiot and Hannity is an idiot.
 

TheExecutive

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Not that I'm gonna sell like mad(Completely counter to my investment strategy), but it's hard to say that this is just a correction until after it happens. There's a lot of things about the economy that are based on fluff at the moment and this could be a wake up moment. Or it could be a correction.

I've been keeping a lot of money on the sidelines myself for this type of situation though, so I'm not complaining too much.
I am with you on the fluff. I have an unhealthy amount of my portfolio in cash reserves right now.
 

EnronERA

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Who was the democrat that said that the Trump tax cuts 'played an enormous role' today in the stock market dipping 1000+, only to see it roar back with a +500? Haven't people learned by now not to go nuts whenever the stock market tumbles for a day?
 

GoldenEye 007

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Who was the democrat that said that the Trump tax cuts 'played an enormous role' today in the stock market dipping 1000+, only to see it roar back with a +500? Haven't people learned by now not to go nuts whenever the stock market tumbles for a day?
The only reason that is a thing is because of Trump being dumb as usual.
 

Felt

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SVXY: Should I or shouldn't I?

(big hmmm emoji)

I bought some, but I don't plan on holding for too long. I'm hoping the market will just slowly recover over the next few weeks, lowering volatility, and after I recover the bits I lost on SVXY when it was on the way down, I will sell it and GTFO. VIX being almost terminated is a warning sign for me for bad things to come.

That being said, I have a stop loss on it so I don't lose any more.
 

TyrantII

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Modern economics is literally propaganda used by the rich to try and convince the poor that policies that rob them blind and grind them into the dirt actually make them better off. They are the one group of "experts" who should never be listened too.

Modern economics/global capitalism is bringing 140,000 people a day out of extreme poverty in developing nations and reducing crime and disease. It's on pace to bring it to 0-1% by 2030.

It's not without it's issues, especially with how it's practiced in the US. But let's not let facts get in the way of wargarble, eh?
 

TyrantII

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I love the hot takes in his thread now. It's been a fun couple of days. Today I've already recovered 60% of my losses from yesterday. The trick to the stock market is to do as little as possible. If we have a solid recovery in the next week or so, I would say that this bull will continue to run.

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Yup, buy (a diversified slice) as it's going down down down. Wait 15-20 years. Profit.

I was hoping it would tank so I could up my contributions, but oh well.
 

GoldenEye 007

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Ah nice, looks like my monthly contribution to my Vanguard account hit yesterday. So should have got in when things were a bit lower.
 

D.A.

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As someone who has a degree in economics, you have no idea what you're talking about.

You sound like those alternate medicine witch doctors criticizing the medical world for not being perfect.

In some areas like energy sources, some economists act like scarcity of high energy cheap resources doesn't mean anything, as a higher price will allow Business as Usual. But all economic activity runs on energy, every single step. True Economic growth demands growth in available energy. Our energy resources are different from just about any other resource.

Gotta love when a correction corrects its overcorrectoin

Conspiracists say the fabled plunge protection team strongly intervened when it was going to negative 1600.
 

Beer Monkey

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Economics is absolutely a science, there have been reproducible results demonstrated over and over and over again like how putting money in the pockets of working people stimulates economies and putting money in the pockets of the wealthy does not. This isn't even up for debate.

Don't embarrass me by having threads at Resetera turn into alt-right made-up-fact horseshit.

Come on.
 

Geirskogul

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Economics is absolutely a science, there have been reproducible results demonstrated over and over and over again like how putting money in the pockets of working people stimulates economies and putting money in the pockets of the wealthy does not. This isn't even up for debate.

You do know that most mainstream economists don't agree with you on this, right?

Economists are overwhelmingly against the minimum wage and other labor regulations that seek to improve equity among workers.

Economists are overwhelmingly in favor of regressive consumption taxes that place a higher burden on the poor.

Economists overwhelmingly advocated for austerity in the aftermath of the global financial crisis.
 

Beer Monkey

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You do know that most mainstream economists don't agree with you on this, right?

Economists are overwhelmingly against the minimum wage and other labor regulations that seek to improve equity among workers.

Economists are overwhelmingly in favor of regressive consumption taxes that place a higher burden on the poor.

Economists overwhelmingly advocated for austerity in the aftermath of the global financial crisis.

Citation needed.

Austerity is not proposed by anybody but fringe economists. There are always nuts, just like the tiny amount of scientists that reject climate change.

Are you a Trumpster? I have not searched your post history here or elsewhere.
 

Mr.Mike

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You do know that most mainstream economists don't agree with you on this, right?

Economists are overwhelmingly against the minimum wage and other labor regulations that seek to improve equity among workers.

Economists are overwhelmingly in favor of regressive consumption taxes that place a higher burden on the poor.

Economists overwhelmingly advocated for austerity in the aftermath of the global financial crisis.

http://www.igmchicago.org/surveys/minimum-wage

There are plenty of schemes to try to make consumption taxes progressive.

http://www.igmchicago.org/surveys/economic-stimulus-revisited

It's amazing how not one of your points is remotely true. Almost as if your beliefs about economics were built upon foundations of unscrutinized cultural bias, political manipulation, and faulty assumptions.
 

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Don't compare economics to medicine. It's based on theories and guessing.
You really don't know anything about medicine based on this statement.

I'll give you a hint: medicine is almost entirely based on theories and guessing. Unless you actually think your doctor really knows what's wrong with you by looking at you for 5 minutes, and the drugs you take are specifically designed to fix exactly what's wrong with you. The only actual treatments for anything which actually cure anything are limited to things which kill invasions such as antibiotics. Antivirals may be true treatments but not always, for example you can suppress herpes and HIV but not truly kill it. Chemotherapy also kills an invasion from within, though sometimes it kills the host instead and many times it's not a permanent cure. Beyond those, everything else is just there to mask symptoms, because guess what, no one knows what's actually wrong with you and you can't fix what you don't actually understand. Kind of makes you think, doesn't it?
 

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You really don't know anything about medicine based on this statement.

I'll give you a hint: medicine is almost entirely based on theories and guessing. Unless you actually think your doctor really knows what's wrong with you by looking at you for 5 minutes, and the drugs you take are specifically designed to fix exactly what's wrong with you. The only actual treatments for anything which actually cure anything are limited to things which kill invasions such as antibiotics. Antivirals may be true treatments but not always, for example you can suppress herpes and HIV but not truly kill it. Chemotherapy also kills an invasion from within, though sometimes it kills the host instead and many times it's not a permanent cure. Beyond those, everything else is just there to mask symptoms, because guess what, no one knows what's actually wrong with you and you can't fix what you don't actually understand. Kind of makes you think, doesn't it?

Sure, I'll give you that actually diagnostics in a way is based on guessing. But if you think that all medical treatment is some kind of 50/50 chance of curing or killing because there's no way of telling the outcome you're totally off.

It's not a hard science, but there are founding principles that are concrete facts simply based on years and years of observed market behavior.

I'm not arguing against using experience to predict outcomes.
 

TyrantII

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You do know that most mainstream economists don't agree with you on this, right?

Economists are overwhelmingly against the minimum wage and other labor regulations that seek to improve equity among workers.

Economists are overwhelmingly in favor of regressive consumption taxes that place a higher burden on the poor.

Economists overwhelmingly advocated for austerity in the aftermath of the global financial crisis.

Don't confuse Economists with MBAs from Harvard and Chicago.
 

Keyouta

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The panic some people have in this thread is fun to read. If you're dollar cost averaging your way in, you should be fine. I've done bulk investments anually, and for myself, we'd need another 2008 level crash to get down to my average cost of around 16k. Then I'd buy more.

Hopefully it doesn't crash further, although the "crash" was only a day, and only 4%. Back up yesterday, maybe we'll go sideways for a bit.
 

1.21Gigawatts

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As someone who has a degree in economics, you have no idea what you're talking about.

You sound like those alternate medicine witch doctors criticizing the medical world for not being perfect.

I'd say he has a point in the US, not so much in Europe.
The way Americans are told that universal healthcare and free education and higher taxes to be able to redistribute more wealth, would actually hurt them is deeply dishonest.

Take a look at the American healthcare system.
The system deliberately leaves every patient to itself, making it impossible to properly negotiate prices, therefore stripping the system of its free market nature.(no informed consumer, no free market mechanism driving down prices and driving up quality).
As a result the US pays at least double per capita for the same exact products and service as other developed nations.
What did these other nations do? They created a substitute for the informed consumer in form of non profit insurance companies(Germany for example) or national health services(NHS in the UK for example) to negotiate on behalf of the patient.
This drives down prices, avoids problems like overmedication and therefore prescription drug addiction to a degree and gives quality healthcare to everyone.

In the US however pharmaceutical companies make billions off the backs of patients and are therefore willing to spend ungodly sums of money on politicians and the media to protect that revenue by preventing a universal healthcare system or just any system that would apply the mechanisms of a the free market.

The influence of money in politics in the US is so massive that the richest people have such disproportionate influence that they can not only dictate policy, but also shape opinion because the own or partially finance media outlets.
They literally made many American believe that the systems that work very well in other countries can't work in the US and would lead to communism or whatever.

Germany is a capitalist country, very successful economy, nobody would call that communist or socialist.
Germany had a social services budget of close to 1 trillion Euros in 2016. Adjusted for population size and converted into dollars, that would be social budget of $4.3 trillion in the US.
The entire budget of the US in 2016 was just 3.9 trillion, the entire revenue was 3.3trillion, so there was a 600 billion deficit. Germany had a budget surplus of 20 billion in 2016.
Just to give some perspective, to afford a welfare state similar to Germanys, the US would have to increase its revenue by about 60% to $5-$5.5 trillion.
And that still wouldn't even be close to socialism or communism, yet the right in the US is constantly warning about the looming threat of socialism and communism.

What Geirskogul said might have been a little oversimplified and populist, but its definitely not nonsense.
 

Kyra

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Learn what? Just take in two rules: Never sell at a loss, and never buy fads.
Don't sell like a foo and don't buy like a sucka. Yes..... Now I need money :(.

How much success do people have looking at things like the EA star wars fiasco and capitalizing on it in some way?

this is probably a dumb question.
 

Steel

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Don't sell like a foo and don't buy like a sucka. Yes..... Now I need money :(.

How much success do people have looking at things like the EA star wars fiasco and capitalizing on it in some way?

this is probably a dumb question.

Never bet against EA. They're shit but they know how to make cash.