Dragalia Lost |OT| Perfect for Mobile

deepFlaw · Oct 4, 2018

Ganransu said:
I've been struggling to survive with all 4 members in the 3.3k boss fight, the healer character just doesn't seem like she wants to heal at all, I had to rely on Phoenix to heal my team, sometimes even having to summon her before the boss just to get a heal. Should I still try the standard raid? I don't want to be a proper leech.

What healer are you using?

I use Verica, and if I'm soloing something hard-ish, I play as her. Or at least make sure to switch to her when someone's getting hurt. The AI is not very good at building up skills so you're gonna have to babysit your healer rather than hope they'll always handle it fine.

Brazil · Oct 4, 2018

Still no 5* units u.u

pariah164 · Oct 4, 2018

Brazil said:
Still no 5* units u.u

Same here. The draw rate is such garbage.

A.J. · Oct 4, 2018

You guys should pump all your Eldwater into a 5* Melody and join the cool memers.

Pablo Mesa · Oct 4, 2018

wwm0nkey said:
My wife just did a summon.....

Tell Ochako: I hate you.
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Given that the AI have proved to be uterly useless, how long till the game get "giving"
Commands to the AI like Follow and Dodge??

Busaiku · Oct 4, 2018

There need to be minimums for Expert.

Ganransu · Oct 4, 2018

deepFlaw said:
What healer are you using?

I use Verica, and if I'm soloing something hard-ish, I play as her. Or at least make sure to switch to her when someone's getting hurt. The AI is not very good at building up skills so you're gonna have to babysit your healer rather than hope they'll always handle it fine.

Verica too.

Damn, the AI is really that bad, huh...? I guess I'll do what you do then. Thanks.

Actually one more question, do you build skills by hitting enemies?

casiopao · Oct 4, 2018

Chrono said:
Yeah, this is kind of what I expected. I know it's a Nintendo/CyGames partnership, but from what I read it's a CyGames title through and through (which is why you don't get any gold coins/Nintendo Account integration with Dragalia Lost), so any time something account-related happens, you need to rely on CyGames to fix it, and since they're a Japanese company with very little presence (as of now) outside of Japan...that doesn't bode well.

I don't blame you for not wanting to start up again if you can't get your account recovered. Honestly, I'd feel the same way. I know the game is still in its early stages, but to start from stage 1 after sinking as much time into it (as yourself and I have) only to lose it because of something like this, I know I'd be frustrated too. Here's hoping something positive results from this!

Marukoban said:
Damn that really sucks.
As much as I want to be positive, I wouldn't put much hope in their support team.
The very limited launch also kinda signal they probably don't have enough man power as of right now.

Yeah. At first i thought this game would at least have Nintendo support team helping to maintain the game outside of jp there so everytime there is problem, there is a way for them to solve it for us.

But seems by how slow their repsonse is right now, i dont see it happening anymore. As i already both reported for help both in the app and through email to support team but to no avail till now. Guess i will just move away and check how u guys enjoy the game here.^_^

toastyToast · Oct 4, 2018

Is there guide on how to raise might? I'm not done with the story yet but I'm pretty sure I've got everything unlocked. Do I need to stick with that? My water team is at 4.2k and I can do the raid boss on standard di far.

deepFlaw · Oct 4, 2018

Ganransu said:
Verica too.

Damn, the AI is really that bad, huh...? I guess I'll do what you do then. Thanks.

Actually one more question, do you build skills by hitting enemies?

It's not that bad but the AI is generally not going to attack very intelligently, and especially for the raid you want to keep an eye on her as she won't get half damage as she's not water. She's usually the one on my team getting hurt on Standard, though that's ok enough since it lets me retreat a little and quickly build + use her skills before switching away. If it was someone else being hurt... it can be hard to deal with as they're going to continue running into danger while you switch to Verica to heal.

And yup, hitting is what builds the skills, though honestly I haven't looked into the exact mechanics so I'm not sure if stuff like combos matter?

toastyToast said:
Is there guide on how to raise might? I'm not done with the story yet but I'm pretty sure I've got everything unlocked. Do I need to stick with that? My water team is at 4.2k and I can do the raid boss on standard di far.

Everything raises it. Level, mana circle, weapon, print, dragon (and their bond level?), etc.

Busaiku · Oct 5, 2018

Nobody uses Water, nobody takes out the volcanoes.
This is the worst.

Ganransu · Oct 5, 2018

deepFlaw said:
It's not that bad but the AI is generally not going to attack very intelligently, and especially for the raid you want to keep an eye on her as she won't get half damage as she's not water. She's usually the one on my team getting hurt on Standard, though that's ok enough since it lets me retreat a little and quickly build + use her skills before switching away. If it was someone else being hurt... it can be hard to deal with as they're going to continue running into danger while you switch to Verica to heal.

And yup, hitting is what builds the skills, though honestly I haven't looked into the exact mechanics so I'm not sure if stuff like combos matter?

Thanks for the helpful replies.

pariah164 · Oct 5, 2018

Is there any other way to GET Eldwater, besides dupes? I am NOT whaling.

PlanetSmasher · Oct 5, 2018

pariah164 said:
Is there any other way to GET Eldwater, besides dupes? I am NOT whaling.

You can get a very tiny amount of it from the raid summon. Like 100 a pop.

deepFlaw · Oct 5, 2018

pariah164 said:
Is there any other way to GET Eldwater, besides dupes? I am NOT whaling.

Selling 3* prints or dragons, I guess?

It's not much, but yeah.

QisTopTier · Oct 5, 2018

pariah164 said:
Is there any other way to GET Eldwater, besides dupes? I am NOT whaling.

atm you can only get a little bit daily

Laiza · Oct 5, 2018

pariah164 said:
Is there any other way to GET Eldwater, besides dupes? I am NOT whaling.

PlanetSmasher said:
You can get a very tiny amount of it from the raid summon. Like 100 a pop.

QisTopTier said:
atm you can only get a little bit daily

You get 1500 for completing each campaign chapter on hard mode (for a total of 9,000 including all 6 chapters). You can also get a bunch from collecting emblems from the raid event. Selling 3* and 4* wyrmprints and dragons gives 150 and 1,000 eldwater, respectively.

Apollo · Oct 5, 2018

Selling spare prints and dragons is going to be the big source I think. You do not need very many of them, and in the case of prints many of them are particularly not worth using, so they're often safe to sell imo.

cairngorm · Oct 5, 2018

ezelith main walks into my expert room with a rainbow team and I am overwhelmed by their genius

QisTopTier · Oct 5, 2018

Laiza said:
You get 1500 for completing each campaign chapter on hard mode (for a total of 9,000 including all 6 chapters). You can also get a bunch from collecting emblems from the raid event. Selling 3* and 4* wyrmprints and dragons gives 150 and 1,000 eldwater, respectively.

Yes but the non event/ one time gain stuff is hyper limited atm. You are not going to amassing eld water any time soon for 5 stars at a reasonable rate atm if you are f2p

Pablo Mesa · Oct 5, 2018

Im gonna admit im cheating my Might with Denka but he has a WP that reduced fire damage so that helps him stay alive o3o a bit.

So far the common demoninator on "easily" beating Expert (other that people not being drooling morons) is Phoenix.

ALso Sunday can not come faster? i need to farm water orbs to mana circle ARMSMASTER.

QisTopTier · Oct 5, 2018

Pablo Mesa said:
Im gonna admit im cheating my Might with Denka but he has a WP that reduced fire damage so that helps him stay alive o3o a bit.

So far the common demoninator on "easily" beating Expert (other that people not being drooling morons) is Phoenix.

Yup

Busaiku · Oct 5, 2018

Like how do you not even use Celliera.

Numberfox · Oct 5, 2018

Busaiku said:
Like how do you not even use Celliera.

Spent all the upgrade material on Ezelith ;P

spartan112g · Oct 5, 2018

Busaiku said:
Like how do you not even use Celliera.

I've been using a team of full water characters, like a gentleman.

jonjonaug · Oct 5, 2018

Special is a pretty crazy damage race.

QisTopTier · Oct 5, 2018

jonjonaug said:
Special is a pretty crazy damage race.

It sure is lol

Chromax · Oct 5, 2018

Are these 3000 might people actually killing the expert raid boss for them to keep showing up ?

Pablo Mesa · Oct 5, 2018

Chromax said:
Are these 3000 might people actually killing the expert raid boss for them to keep showing up ?

nope, anything under 6.5K (and im being generous here) dies to fast what brings a 16 people raid to a 12 people raid, not enough DPS to finish within the proper time

BTW: is it normal for it to take that long for people to datamine the exact values (damage/ healing) of the skills?

Falk · Oct 5, 2018

Chromax said:
Are these 3000 might people actually killing the expert raid boss for them to keep showing up ?

you can thank inspirational quotes such as:

"you can do anything if you just put your mind to it"

"edison failed 1000 times before he succeeded"

and all the other shit we feed our children

Meffer · Oct 5, 2018

Holy crap I just pulled Lily.

Laiza · Oct 5, 2018

QisTopTier said:
Yes but the non event/ one time gain stuff is hyper limited atm. You are not going to amassing eld water any time soon for 5 stars at a reasonable rate atm if you are f2p

Right, but even as a whale you need eight 5*s before you have enough to turn a 4* into a 5*. It's obviously not meant to be a short-term investment - and considering the story characters (as well as freebie event characters) are all 4*s, it'd be sensible to consider even having a 5* a luxury thing - a nice to have, something of a boon, but otherwise completely unnecessary.

What's "reasonable" depends on how your calibrate your standards, basically.

Pablo Mesa · Oct 5, 2018

im sure eld water will become more abundant later on, it will make sense to keep it limited if it were only used of upgrading Adventurers of Rank, but 5th Tier Mana Circle uses it for the Upgrade Co-Op Nods

Stider · Oct 5, 2018

Laiza said:
Right, but even as a whale you need eight 5*s before you have enough to turn a 4* into a 5*. It's obviously not meant to be a short-term investment - and considering the story characters (as well as freebie event characters) are all 4*s, it'd be sensible to consider even having a 5* a luxury thing - a nice to have, something of a boon, but otherwise completely unnecessary.

What's "reasonable" depends on how your calibrate your standards, basically.

What's worse is that you also need 24k eldwater for each 5* on their top mana circle to improve their co-op ability

Anuiran · Oct 5, 2018

Wonder how long until this gets released in other regions.

Owzers · Oct 5, 2018

cw_sasuke said:
Yeah, you don't need to spend a lot of time to get the unit + Dragon ...everything else is an extra from here.

Have gotten two Peles so far from the Raid Gacha.

I'm getting hosed in the raid gacha, drew a bunch and nope.

deepFlaw · Oct 5, 2018

Had a good run of hosting Standard; got 5 wins a row without anyone <4k joining, and even got some 8k and 9k folks.

Last 2 times did kill the boss without breaking their hands though...

now to do 121 blazions and get the heck to sleep before the reset tempts me... I couldn't sleep last night as is so staying up for the raid as a result didn't help, hah

(EDIT: well, that's a second Pele and enough orbs to get Cel her buff skill; should maybe upgrade Pele and put her on Verica now...?)

Ganransu said:
Thanks for the helpful replies.

I have one more very important tip that I saw this morning, and it helped a lot just now, that I forgot to tell you because I wasn't doing it enough myself before that...

Using skills gets you some invulnerability, and that applies for your entire team. If you try to keep a skill on hand, you can time it (which isn't that hard, at least on Standard) to protect everyone during, say the boss's big yellow circle spin attack; this will make things much much easier for you by making you have to care less about how the AI is doing. And it's annoying to try to get out of those to begin with, so it's helpful for your own HP too. You build skills really fast when you're going all out on the boss; thanks to that and dodging their attacks I had like a 50-60 combo going at points.

(Note that this does not apply for purple attacks! You need to physically be out of the way to not be hurt during those.)

That being said, still keep an eye on your healer at times. There was a time tonight where I noticed Orsem had about half health; popped over to Verica and the AI was sitting on both healing skills full for some unknown reason...

xelios · Oct 5, 2018

Stider said:
What's worse is that you also need 24k eldwater for each 5* on their top mana circle to improve their co-op ability

What's even worse is it's more than 24k for the four nodes at the top; the first node you buy is 6k and the cost increases from there, up to like 35k eldwater for the last node.

Also, some people have misunderstood it, but those nodes set your co-ability to that amount, not add that amount to it.

Stider · Oct 5, 2018

xelios said:
What's even worse is it's more than 24k for the four nodes at the top; the first node you buy is 6k and the cost increases from there, up to like 35k eldwater for the last node.

Also, some people have misunderstood it, but those nodes set your co-ability to that amount, not add that amount to it.

Damn, didn't realise the cost increased per node. Was fairly sure that it only added up to the amount shown not added that much as you would be getting absolutely insane bonuses on a full team. Doesn't mean we couldn't dream lol.

FiXalaS · Oct 5, 2018

Just maxed the friendship gauge, but I got no 5* yet from this raid event. =(

but fun event! will keep playing the raid because it gives so many items

also why do I keep reading archeole arsehole

QisTopTier said:
Yup

What is Phoenix?

Rixa · Oct 5, 2018

Jeff ChickenDig said:
Also so much tapping in raids lol.

Something about tapping quickly on a phone hurts my fingers quicker than just a normal controller etc.

Getting old

Yeah, feels dumb to tap the phone all the time. 100% sure way to get phone screen dirty and not sure is it good to phone that one taps the screen so much.

Ganransu · Oct 5, 2018

deepFlaw said:
I have one more very important tip that I saw this morning, and it helped a lot just now, that I forgot to tell you because I wasn't doing it enough myself before that...

Using skills gets you some invulnerability, and that applies for your entire team. If you try to keep a skill on hand, you can time it (which isn't that hard, at least on Standard) to protect everyone during, say the boss's big yellow circle spin attack; this will make things much much easier for you by making you have to care less about how the AI is doing. And it's annoying to try to get out of those to begin with, so it's helpful for your own HP too. You build skills really fast when you're going all out on the boss; thanks to that and dodging their attacks I had like a 50-60 combo going at points.

(Note that this does not apply for purple attacks! You need to physically be out of the way to not be hurt during those.)

That being said, still keep an eye on your healer at times. There was a time tonight where I noticed Orsem had about half health; popped over to Verica and the AI was sitting on both healing skills full for some unknown reason...

Damn it, I thought this was another mindless gacha game, turns out it's another GBF... Well, at least this is better than those that relied solely on grind and gacha, there is actually gameplay in this. I'm so inept at smart phone action game though.

Also, wow at that AI...

kyorii · Oct 5, 2018

QisTopTier said:
Drops from Special version of the raid.

First clear bonus was a Twinkling sand as well

Thank god the other two who joined me and my bud were actual proper players finally. Lower scores than most of the people that quit at like 11k yet boss died with more than enough time because they actually knew how to use their skills to dodge shit and keep dpsing.

Might is stupid and I really wish I could kick people that dont join with full water teams on this particular one.

Like I know it's mean or whatever but quite frankly I don't give a fuck you are wasting everyone's time trying to queue for special if you don't meet the requirements to push it and not let your guys get insta 1 shot

Lawl. Might is basically ilvls :smirk:

deepFlaw · Oct 5, 2018

Ganransu said:
Damn it, I thought this was another mindless gacha game, turns out it's another GBF... Well, at least this is better than those that relied solely on grind and gacha, there is actually gameplay in this. I'm so inept at smart phone action game though.

Also, wow at that AI...

Well, this is mainly for the raid. It obviously applies in general, but most of the time you can play without caring too much as long as you're strong enough. But you definitely can't be mindless here, hah. There's also that you're in a much bigger space for this, and so your AI party might not even be on screen/close enough to follow you if you try to dodge anyway, etc. so it's a good thing to do.

(I assume the AI was waiting for some low HP threshold, though that makes little sense since Verica's first skill is regen...)

spartan112g · Oct 5, 2018

What would you guys say is the minimum level to take on the expert raid would be so that I'm not a detriment to my squad?

Pablo Mesa · Oct 5, 2018

spartan112g said:
What would you guys say is the minimum level to take on the expert raid would be so that I'm not a detriment to my squad?

40ish (higher 30s pushing it) being water but still need to be on the 7K Might when counting in Dragons and suchs

TwinBahamut · Oct 5, 2018

Finally built my team up to the point where I can fight the raid boss on standard difficulty well, and had a goid run. Pele is still elusive, though.

I've gotta say that I dramatically underestimated the benefits of upgrading to second tier three star weapons and improving Mana Circles even a little. The extra power and added skills make a huge difference.

Nester · Oct 5, 2018

Finally beat the raid on Expert, really fun event so far.

Raid before that we had a guy come in that was just under 6k, host started anyways. Turns out he only brought 2 characters. Still almost beat him, screenshot below is from right before we failed.

Seriously, how do you only bring 2 characters to the raid? At least throw some neutral characters in there!

spartan112g · Oct 5, 2018

Pablo Mesa said:
40ish (higher 30s pushing it) being water but still need to be on the 7K Might when counting in Dragons and suchs

Dang. I have a long way to go. haha Thanks!

Owzers · Oct 5, 2018

0______0 got another 5 star thing out of the water specials, the same card instead of dragon/character.

Booooooo.

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