Eurogamer: DOOM Eternal Switch info (planned for same date, Panic Button dev, 30fps)
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The last few games have been ports of games that came out before the Switch was a thing, this game is being developed from the ground up with Switch in mind.
If you're playing on advanced difficulty levels and like to play aggressively then precision aiming definitely helps. It's integral enough to the experience for me that I'm not playing DOOM Eternal until I can replace my GPU and play it on PC. I enjoy the game much more with the precision aiming that a mouse affords (and because I get a lot of milage out of being able to switch to any weapon instantly, which I can do with m/kb)
I think it just means that they consider the Switch SKU from the get go. I dont think it means that the PC/PS4/Xbox One version is being compromised to fit the Switch version. But it might be easier to make the Switch version when its being considered from day 1 (or early) during developement.
Pr speak obviously it isn't the same experience at 20-30fps but they don't want to doom the Switch port
Yet its one of the best looking games ever, from what we've seen so far.
You're talking about modern tools right?I Its a souped up Wii u that is 4x weaker than the PS4 in GPU, twice in CPU, 2X in ram and speed(3vs5), and 4-5x in bandwidth.
It's bottle necks are enough to make dynamic 1080p 60fps AAA 3rd party games into dynamic 720p 30fps with cuts in texture, lighting, AA, shadows, and polygons. Don't count on devs taking advantage of mixed precision for the Multiplat AAA 3rd party games, cause it's not happening. We're lucky we're getting ports for Doom, but it doesn't look like we'll get cod or any other blockbuster hits anymore.
Oh and for sure It's a 100% behind PS4 PRO and Xbone, which it came out around the same time as them. The switch is a portable console though, so sacrifices have to be made... But it should get a stand alone home dedicated console sooner than later to close the power gap with the competition.
It's give and take really. You give up some frames to take the game with you on the go along with gyro aiming. Then there are people who can't really tell the difference between frames like myself and other people I know.
Calling the Switch a "souped up WiiU" shows you have no idea what you're talking about.
Wikipedia says RIME and Sonic Mania. I'm not sure if there have been any others.
Unreal engine 4 supports FP16, and so does iD engine 7. What exactly are you talking about?
Lol so explain how is Rocket league 900p/60fps, how is Outlast 2 1008p/30fps with very little cuts, how is Paladins 900-720/60fps, how is Dragonball fighter Z 900-1080/60fps, how are Ark survival Evolved and Warframe even coming
I have much more of an idea than you think. Please entertain me and try to refute that a sub ~400GFLOPs GPU power console isn't a souped up Wii U that has 176 GFLOPs. It has 2x the RAM as the Wii U(and faster), but dreadful bandwidth(only 2x as much), and a moderately more powerful CPU. It's bandwidth is why Doom doesn't even have a stable 720p resolution, and why Botw is 900p instead of 1080p, and bayonetta is 720p in docked modes.
We will see 1st party devs take more advantage of the console and work around weaknesses, but not majority of 3rd parties, especially multi ports
The difference in power between xbone x and Xbone is significantly greater than Wii u and Switch.
Nice to have on Switch and really any platform but the game is much better with 60 fps or better, which isn't happening there.
Even if I had a Switch I wouldn't get this version, portability isn't a good enough replacement for the 60 fps.
For travelling sounds good though.
Even if I had a Switch I wouldn't get this version, portability isn't a good enough replacement for the 60 fps.
For travelling sounds good though.
Yeah, this is the interesting part from a tech perspective. So far, DOOM, Rocket League and Wolfenstein were after-the-fact ports from Panic Button. I'm really curious to see what they can do with a game that's intended to be on Switch from day one (and on their third rodeo with the engine, no less). Exciting stuff.
I share your hopes, but I'm not getting those hopes up. DOOM is still the biggest download I have on my Switch. Would be cool if they let us choose to download single and multiplayer separately, or something similar, to save on space (but I'd rather have the file size than lots of compression, if it affects fidelity).
Comparing FLOPs like this doesn't help your point... Same thing for just basic number comparisons.
Features are widely different.
Because they aren't CPU heavy games that don't tax the consoles nearly as heavy as other AAA third parties do? And even then, there are still sacrifices in resolution (dynamic as well), fidelity(textures, lighting, shadows) that show that the switch is 4x weaker than PS4. Not many devs will take advtange of mixed precision, not the blockbuster games.
I'm interested to see how much closer they may be able to get to the target 720p/30fps considering this game looks noticeably better than the last.
Yep, that's the problem. They are alone. There's nothing else other than them, VP4, Mario Party and that Musou game. A light fall lineup for Nintendo, catered specifically for Smash fans and Pokémon go players.
Personally, I'm not interested in Smash or Pokémon remake, so that leaves me with... Valkyria Chronicles 4. Just that. Maybe Mario Party too but that's not a single player game. I wish Bethesda ported more games to Switch. The wait for Doom Eternal is going to be agonizing.
You going to explain the bollocks you were spouting with modern developers not taking advantage of mixed precision, despite the new iD engine and Unreal Engine 4 both very much doing so?
Yes it is. It supports modern libraries and tools but in terms of pure grunt it's easily a gen behind.
It's good that switch is getting all of this support because Sales=more games from Nintendo (the main reason I have mine) but some crazy stuff gets said re: switch power.
Look at all the ports on the switch, and the majority of current ge Multiplat ports on switch. It's one thing if a 1st party developer builds a game from the ground up and work around it's bottlenecks with mixed precision mode, but the Wii u/last gen ports haven't showed significant improvement outside 1.5x-2x the resolution or 10-15fps stability. The Switch is 4.5x weaker than PS4 in GPU power and bandwidth on paper. It's bottleneck in RAM and CPU shows especially. It's enough that taxing games would drop 1080p 60fps games to 720p 30fps with lower fidelity and frame rate stability on switch.
The switch having most of the modern shaders as PS4/xbone doesn't help it considerably when it's lacking in raw spec power because of it's hybrid nature. We can agree to disagree on the definition of souped up, but the gap between xbone and Xbone x and even switch and PS4 is wider than Wii U and Switch in power. Switch is 2-3x more powerful than Wii U at most in GPU if you count mixed precision mode. But the bandwidth is the main bottleneck, and the CPU being 2x as less powerful bottlenecks it in demanding games as well. The GPU is scaleable, but compensating for the CPU isn't going to help much.
Anyway, I don't want this topic to be about switch's shortcomings. Just wanted to point out that they should come out with a stand alone console that closes the gap in power with next gen consoles. I'm not replying to this thread anymore, and I am adamant that the switch's power isn't even half a gen leap over Wii u. Falls short on bandwidth especially.
Yeah but we've seen footage of the game. It looks better than Doom 2016, so the concern is stupid.
Well that's not really a drought. More like not the type of games you personally like. As oppose to me, where I am all over Valkyria 4, Smash, Pokemon, Super Mario Party. But I get Pokémon and Smash isn't for everyone.
Yea that's why the switch needs its first revision by 2020 at the latest. Not because the sales will slow down or the first party won't be popular, but the third parties may no longer be willing to downgrade enough to get their games on the system. The risk of losing that support is essentially them repeating history.
But then again what seems pretty obvious is almost never the route Nintendo takes.
Even if it gets a revision there wont be any games that are revision only. If third parties will consider putting their games on Switch it will have to run on the base version. That is where pretty well all the users will be.